Tongues Again???

[Stephen63]

They are not the same they serve two different functions.

What Peter spoke at Pentecost it was two fold, as a sign it confirmed unbelief (no faith) . As prophecy 3000 souls were quicken by the word of God which worked in the individuals to both will and do His good pleasure, as a imputed righteousness.

Peter's sermon WAS NOT a sign..... it was a sermon, like any other true sermon, where the Spirit of God convicted the people to come to Christ.

Sheesh, where do you guys get this stuff?!?

 

[1ofthem]

Tongues is a revelation of God, after no man called Prophecy.

Are you receiving new revelations or is prophecy sealed up to the end and to add to or subtract from it people should expect a strong delusion sent by God so they can continue to believe the lie?

My question is why do some men need more that He has revealed and therefore go above that which is written as sealed till the end of time?

I’m not sure if you are saying prophecy and tongues are the same gift or not…they aren’t... they are two different gifts. And I’m really not sure why you are referring to the gift prophecy as bringing some new revelation to the scriptures because it does not….
If you read 1 Corinthians 14 it explains it:
3.But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

It does not say anything about it bringing a new revelation to scriptures because it does not. It is given unto men for edification, exhortation, and comfort…

 

[garee]

Peter's sermon WAS NOT a sign..... it was a sermon, like any other true sermon, where the Spirit of God convicted the people to come to Christ.

Sheesh, where do you guys get this stuff?!?

It was the fulfillment of prophecy.The word of God had become to no effect to those fathers that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken..Showing they are under the wrath of God . Again it was two fold confirming unbelief, and supplying the faith to believe to the different nations, that spoke another language .

Isa 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Isa 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.
Isa 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

 

[1ofthem]

You perceive it as an order when it is an admonishment. Scripture says that three specific gifts will end. The rest continue but tongues ended. So we are in fact weeding out the fake.

You continue to miss the nature and purpose for tongues. They are for a testimony to the Jews. They have always been associated with impending judgment from God. Gentiles lacking the history of the Jews miss this entirely.

An understanding of Joel two shows that the gifts of tongues will be returned during the tribulation as a witness to Israel to prepare them for the return of their Messiah. As the church we will already be with Christ and come with Him to rule and reign during the millennium.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Roger I am not being condescending here...but I'm just tired of going round and round with you here...

Tongues is a gift from God and that is just plain and simple. It has not ended...

It is a gift so you can accept it or not...That's up to you...

But just because you don't want your gift, doesn't mean you should try to persuade others to not take their gifts

 

[notuptome]

There is no "RULE" that personal revelation adds to the book of Revelation. This is a fabrication of long ago that was never proven. NO scripture speaks of it.

Then you are defining revelation according to your own preference. The Holy Spirit reveals the truth of Gods word to those who read and study Gods word. The Holy Spirit does not give new words to the bible. The Holy Spirit is not a predictor of the future He is a revealer of what God has already given in the word of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Roger I am not being condescending here...but I'm just tired of going round and round with you here...

Tongues is a gift from God and that is just plain and simple. It has not ended...

It is a gift so you can accept it or not...That's up to you...

But just because you don't want your gift, doesn't mean you should try to persuade others to not take their gifts

The Pharisees were convinced that Jesus was not the Messiah too. You are determined to believe what you want regardless of what the bible teaches. I can only show what the bible teaches I cannot make you believe.

I will admonish you to stop worshipping tongues and return to Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Peter's sermon WAS NOT a sign..... it was a sermon, like any other true sermon, where the Spirit of God convicted the people to come to Christ.

Sheesh, where do you guys get this stuff?!?

Peters sermon was about the sign given in Joel.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[stonesoffire]

A young man from New Jersey, named Clifford Tonnesen who attended a Pentecostal camp meeting in Michigan? In the course of the meeting, Clifford was overcome by the Holy Spirit and began to speak in tongues for the first time.

"A lady nearby grew extremely excited. Clifford was speaking German she said. A fluent, beautiful High German.

"But this alone was not what excited the lady. It was the fact that she knew that he could not be speaking by any natural means. He could not even speak his own language English. Clifford was a deaf mute who had not heard a sound since a disease had destroyed his hearing at the age of two months!" ("They Speak with Other Tongues" by John Sherrill page. 124)

 

[1ofthem]

The Pharisees were convinced that Jesus was not the Messiah too. You are determined to believe what you want regardless of what the bible teaches. I can only show what the bible teaches I cannot make you believe.

I will admonish you to stop worshipping tongues and return to Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Yeah the pharisees were spiritually blinded. They couldn't see what was right there in front of them they had no faith and were stuck in their own ways...Scripture has been brought...so take your gift or not...It's up to you...

And saying that I worship tongues because I am willing to accept a gift from God is uncalled for....I worship the Lord Jesus Christ and him only do I serve...I have complete faith in him and his Word.

 

[CS1]

You are definitely wrong about why we reject it. It primarily is fact that your tongues are totally different than what the disciples did. In the genuine TONGUES, people from every known Country heard every word in their very own native "dialektos", which is language so correct even the native accent is present. Plus it is the fact that Charismatic tongues is identical to what the pagans did in the Greek and Roman Mystery Religions. It also continues today in non-Christian religions like Mormonism, Muslims, Hindus and, several other non-Christian Religions as well as the Pentecostals and the Charismatics.

NOTICE: you use EXPERIENCE as the test of the Biblical TRUTH about your conterfeit Tongues. Now is that how the Scriptures tell us to TEST the spirits that are the origin of different doctrines and experiences? NOT AT ALL:


1 John 4:1 (ESV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Acts 17:11 (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.


And you just accept the Experience as being from GOD, without ever examining the Scriptures, comparing the experience to what the Disciples actually DID.

I guarantee you NEVER so much as studied the origin of a word that JESUS used when He said do not pray like the Pagans.

That word is "battalogeo", and most of us know that "logeo" in the Greek is WORDS. But where does the Batta come from? The Greeks involved in the Worship of Apollo, were taught to Pray in a Tongue that only the gods understand. The specific instructions from the Pagan Priest were: "Say batta, batta, batta over and over again as fast as you can, and the gods will turn it into a language that only they understand." Plato. who lived centuries before Christ. made reference to the excited feelings generated by tongues in the Worship of Apollo, calling it Divine Ecstacy.




Matthew 6:7-9 (NIV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And when you pray, do not keep on babbling {battalogeo} like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] "This, then, is how you should pray: 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name,


Now, with that understanding of what the PAGANS called their "Prayer Language that only the gods understood", and the SPECIFIC instructions from JESUS "This, then, is how you should pray", is it not clear that HE wants us to take our requests directly to the Father, glorifying HIS name in our own KNOWN language? Is it not obvious that every Pentecostal and every Charismatic is disobeying Christ when they use their so-called Private Prayer Language?

As you can see, your ASSUMPTION that non-charismatics reject your tongues due to lack of experiencing tongues, is as WRONG as your ASSUMPTION that your charismatic experience is of GOD.

I would love to speak on the "Gifts of the Holy Spirit " found in 1Cor . chapter 12, 13, and 4. it is long read you have posted but from what I have seen ; your out of context and your greek too. Please don't attack me I'm just saying what I see if you would like I am willing to explain why those who say (pentecostal) thier expireance is proof to the gifts of the Holy Spirit and not use the bible to prove it just as it is wrong. And to say one knows what Tongues has to be spoken recorded in the book of Acts is not the tongues spoken today is wrong too. both are incorrect biblically

 

[CS1]

The Pharisees were convinced that Jesus was not the Messiah too. You are determined to believe what you want regardless of what the bible teaches. I can only show what the bible teaches I cannot make you believe.

I will admonish you to stop worshipping tongues and return to Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I have not seen anyone suggesting to worship the gifts of the Holy Spirit why the stawman ?

 

[zone]

God's words are NOT limited to scripture, but....

oh my.....

 

[stonesoffire]

Hi 88 ore somebody else, show me the scripture which says that all christians have to speak, ore will be able to speak in tongues! Even in Pauls time!

~Isa 28:11　 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.　
Isa 28:12　 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is
the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

~
Heb 4:1　 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us
of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.


Heb 4:10　 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

How else can one do the works of God? Not just tongues, but all the gifts. I'm convinced one begins with language of Spirit. The new creation man is Spiritual, in the image of God.


　

　

 

[notuptome]

A young man from New Jersey, named Clifford Tonnesen who attended a Pentecostal camp meeting in Michigan? In the course of the meeting, Clifford was overcome by the Holy Spirit and began to speak in tongues for the first time.

"A lady nearby grew extremely excited. Clifford was speaking German she said. A fluent, beautiful High German.

"But this alone was not what excited the lady. It was the fact that she knew that he could not be speaking by any natural means. He could not even speak his own language English. Clifford was a deaf mute who had not heard a sound since a disease had destroyed his hearing at the age of two months!" ("They Speak with Other Tongues" by John Sherrill page. 124)

Is this representative of what transpires in your church?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[stonesoffire]

We don't have any deaf and unable to speak.

 

[stonesoffire]

Is this representative of what transpires in your church?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

What happens in yours Roger?

 

[notuptome]

I have not seen anyone suggesting to worship the gifts of the Holy Spirit why the stawman ?

From the actions and positions many have taken it is obvious that tongues are the main portion of their life. Prove that it's not a straw man and answer if you would still be in your position and church if you never had tongues. Could you or would you worship apart from tongues? How about contemporary music? No worship band, no musical instruments just a song book and human voices. Strip it all away and what is the least you need to worship Christ?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

We don't have any deaf and unable to speak.

What happens in yours Roger?

Why?

We assemble to sing a few hymns and fellowship around the word of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Yeah the pharisees were spiritually blinded. They couldn't see what was right there in front of them they had no faith and were stuck in their own ways...Scripture has been brought...so take your gift or not...It's up to you...

And saying that I worship tongues because I am willing to accept a gift from God is uncalled for....I worship the Lord Jesus Christ and him only do I serve...I have complete faith in him and his Word.

Israel was carried away into captivity by Jehovah God and still they returned to their stiff necked and rebellious ways.

Eve heeded the whispers of the serpent in the garden.

There is never a time in the NT where Jesus spoke in tongues or even suggested that the disciples should speak in tongues. Why? Because the message that Jesus brought was good news the gospel.

This is our message as well not the foolishness of tongues. Testify of Christ and His ability to save.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Stephen63]

Peters sermon was about the sign given in Joel.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

NOPE..... it was a confirmation. And THAT wasn't the whole of the sermon, either.

I'm about fed up with those that can "speak" a rule into existence, & then say a prophet can't speak. It's hypocrisy.