What is hyper grace........

[seed_time_harvest]

I'm not sure what hypo grace is either. Until a couple months ago I never heard the term.

Yes someone needs to state,what hyper-grace Is In simple terms.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Honestly I was not in as many hyper grace debates as some and for the longest time had no idea what hyper grace was. But honestly these types of titles to me are pointless grace is not a doctrine that you can change to fit your own views and beliefs it's a gift from God and is something that unlike doctrine cannot be changed to fit our views though some may try.

Those who know understand and are grateful for his grace will never misuse it and never try to make it anything than it is. I don't see hyper grace I only see grace I don't rest in hyper grace I rest in the grace that God gives us and if I am called a hyper gracer for that then so be it

Amen..........

 

[dcontroversal]

I've expressed it several times. It is no more than a term Legalists invented to hopefully bring condemnation on people who trust in God's grace.

TRUTH HERE...EXACTLY...just like the stupid saying used "GREASY GRACE"

Titles used by those who attempt to save themselves while spitting in the face of Jesus and his Grace.....

 

[Willie-T]

This is very much like the Democrats tried with the claims of Russia getting Trump elected. Legalists think if they say "hyper-Grace" loud enough and long enough , it should become an accepted conclusion, and because they claim it, everyone else should believe it is some kind of doctrine someone is preaching somewhere.

They hated Paul for preaching Grace, and ran him down about it..... nothing new today. They are still saying the same things, just in a different period of history and language this time around.

 

[Blain]

Blain, I consider you a friend, & I for one wouldn't call you that due to the people that are hypergracers are NOTHING like you. Because you love the Lord, you couldn't fit in with that group if you tried.

I appreciate that Stephen mainly the people who call me that are people who don't know me wll or are just generally hateful in the forums but it's no big deal I have been called far worse even condemned to hell because I disagreed with a person so ya lol

 

[Depleted]

Just a short explanation This is not a discussion or thread to start one. I simply don't know what HP is need someone to state it in simply terms.

Short explanations are what has caused much of this thread to decline to yet another he said/she said nanny nanny booboo thread. If it's short, it's not explained except to prove-a-point. (And the point is whatever said short-explainer wants it to mean.)

Here's a fairly through explanation. [url]https://www.gotquestions.org/hyper-grace.html[/URL]

 

[Grandpa]

Yes someone needs to state,what hyper-grace Is In simple terms.

Its a mis-understood term.

From what I gather it is a term used by a certain group of people to describe what they believe are people who take advantage of Gods Grace in a way that allows them to continue in their sin and sinful ways.

I don't believe that Grace works that way. So people who are relying on Grace, truly, cannot be continuing in their own ways.

So the argument of what is 'hyper' grace and what is Gods Grace is a moot argument, imo. I suppose both are equally misunderstood. Some purposely and some not purposely.

We would probably have to define Grace properly before anyone really understood the difference between the two.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Short explanations are what has caused much of this thread to decline to yet another he said/she said nanny nanny booboo thread. If it's short, it's not explained except to prove-a-point. (And the point is whatever said short-explainer wants it to mean.)

Here's a fairly through explanation. [url]https://www.gotquestions.org/hyper-grace.html[/URL]

I wanted to go to that site and get a better explanation but I got a warning that the site Is not secure.

Nevertheless,Thank You.

 

[Depleted]

I wanted to go to that site and get a better explanation but I got a warning that the site Is not secure.

Nevertheless,Thank You.

Hmmm. It's been a safe site for years.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Hmmm. It's been a safe site for years.

Thanks Depleted,I didn't get the message saying that the site was not secure this time and I read It and I think part of It the members here would agree with and some of It the members would not agree with.

I hope the moderators can look at It and maybe write a sticky note about It.It was very Informative for me and I now know about It.Thanks again.

 

[Stephen63]

As far as I know, not a soul in the world ever mentioned the term "hyper-grace" until Legalists began trying to besmirch believer's sincerity and validity in God's Grace by throwing their invented term around like it was some kind of disease.

Really?

Doesn't 'hyper' mean active and abundant? Are you saying you only want just a very small insignificant amount of God's grace? You certainly don't want the marvelous amount of startling grace that will give a sinner a death-shattering eternal life with Jesus, do you?

Ellis is just taking what Legalists intended for a 'put-down', and showing it to be truly the kind of marvelous, excessive GRACE God gives us in Salvation.

You knew what it really meant before you posted this lie. You forget, I READ your old posts.

That's a Democrat's deceptive ploy. Post what you object to me saying.... don't just insinuate I said certain things.

This is from a thread back in January:

Hyper-Grace Preachers Don’t Believe in Repentance

Not only do we believe in repentance, but we seek to understand and teach it thoroughly and accurately. In the New Testament, “to repent” is a translation of the Greek verb “metanoeo” meaning “to change one’s mind or perspective.” Obviously, when we receive Christ, we have repented in the genuine sense of the term – changing our minds about our need of a Savior and receiving Christ.

Before Christ, we lived as self-sufficiently as possible, thinking that God would probably grade on a curve and accept us at least partly on the basis of our own best efforts and self-generated goodness. When we came to understand our spiritual bankruptcy and our desperate need for Christ’s forgiveness and new life, we repented (had a change of perspective) and received Christ by trusting in Him alone to rescue us.

Beyond this initial experience of “getting saved” (as we often call it), repentance is a daily lifestyle in which an ongoing “renewal of the mind” process is taking place within us. As we grow in faith and in our understanding of God through His Word and our union with His Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 6:17), we begin to replace old thinking with new thinking and false thinking with true thinking. This renewal of the mind (Rom. 12:1-3) is an integral part of the transformative process of the Spirit’s work in our lives. This is the essence of a lifestyle of repentance – taking false thoughts captive, making them obedient to (in conformity with) Christ (2 Cor. 10:5).

Paul affirmed in no uncertain terms that God’s kindness (His expressed grace toward us) is what leads to repentance (Rom. 2:4). Far from being anti-repentance, hyper-grace theology affirms repentance and the ongoing renewal of the mind as an integral part of what it means to follow Jesus under His New Covenant.
These are mainly Jeremy White's thoughts

Interestingly enough, until 5:00 this afternoon, I had never even heard of Jeremy White.

Ben nudged me a little to look for a few things online, and lo and behold, I immediately ran across this guy who almost sounds like I was writing his words. So.... I figured, "Why not let a man much smarter than me say the very things I have been saying here for months."

I'm really enjoying your posts, 777. Keep them coming. This is the kind of thread that has been sorely needed.

In January you post several times on hypergrace in G777's thread about hypergrace in a liking & positive way.

How do you explain this after saying you never heard of hypergrace until some "legalists" started the trouble?

Also, how do you explain how you posted about hypergrace like you like the name hypergrace from a hypergrace site that loves the name as well.

What's the word I'm looking for..... Lie?

Straw man created outta nothing & blames legalists that don't exist for everything.

 

[Stephen63]

I wanted to go to that site and get a better explanation but I got a warning that the site Is not secure.

Nevertheless,Thank You.

I went to it without any problems. It's safe. You might have gotten a false positive from your antivirus.

 

[Stephen63]

This is very much like the Democrats tried with the claims of Russia getting Trump elected. Legalists think if they say "hyper-Grace" loud enough and long enough , it should become an accepted conclusion, and because they claim it, everyone else should believe it is some kind of doctrine someone is preaching somewhere.

They hated Paul for preaching Grace, and ran him down about it..... nothing new today. They are still saying the same things, just in a different period of history and language this time around.

Let's break this down.....

1. Legalists who don't exist are crying that hypergrace is bad & these same grace-hating legalists hate Paul for preaching grace.
2. True christians that believe & love REAL grace ARE the ones crying out that hypergrace is wrong & deceitful.
3. Conclusion: Willie is implying that true christians that love & appreciate REAL grace are the legalists that are grace haters & hate the Apostle Paul
4. Willie is accusing others of bad things & name-calling, WHICH, BTW, got the arguing about hypergrace banned in the first place.
5. Whether or not the above is fully correct, Willie is accusing a group, Willie is name-calling a group, which means Willie is breaking the rules.

 

[gb9]

Let's break this down.....

1. Legalists who don't exist are crying that hypergrace is bad & these same grace-hating legalists hate Paul for preaching grace.
2. True christians that believe & love REAL grace ARE the ones crying out that hypergrace is wrong & deceitful.
3. Conclusion: Willie is implying that true christians that love & appreciate REAL grace are the legalists that are grace haters & hate the Apostle Paul
4. Willie is accusing others of bad things & name-calling, WHICH, BTW, got the arguing about hypergrace banned in the first place.
5. Whether or not the above is fully correct, Willie is accusing a group, Willie is name-calling a group, which means Willie is breaking the rules.

so, in regards to no.3, I guess how you and some others, ( and some churches and denominations) define " real " grace as grace you have to earn. this may not be true, but it sure seems like ya'll do not like the idea that we are saved by grace only, it is not of ourselves , it is the gift of God. but, I do not filter my Biblical theology through denominational beliefs, so that could be why I see grace , you know, as a GIFT THAT WE DO NOT EARN.

 

[Grace777x70]

I see where Jeremy White has been quoted in this thread. Here is his article below as an example of using this term to expose some of the common objections as well as how what is said has been in some cases completely mis-represented.

I have in the past asked for those that have spread some of these mis-representations which turned out to be slander and false accusations to actually prove this. They could not prove it and have remained silent.

There are also some areas that not all people will agree on concerning some points in scripture.

Unfortunately there will remain those that will continue to mis-represent what is said and "twist" what is said to try to make it "appear" to be something different by taking words out of the context they were said in.

This is very deceitful behavior and is a calling-card of the self-proclaimed heretic hunters that attack those that believe differently than others in some areas.

Here is the article if any one is interested. I believe it accurately represents what some grace people believe in the abundant grace of God and the gift of righteousness through Christ's finished work on the cross alone. Rom. 5:17

It is always good to hear it from the "horse's mouth" in context before we hear a matter out. We have a great salvation in our loving Lord and we have a good, good Father.

Here is an example of taking the lemons thrown to make lemonade out of it and to accurately say what is really being said.

Why I am Hyper-Grace: Answering Five Common Objections

 

[notuptome]

Gods grace is all sufficient and completely efficacious to those who receive it by faith. How can the finite mind comprehend the eternal grace of God?

Paul spoke of those who spoke of Christ so as to cause shame upon His name but Paul cautioned that whether Christ was spoken of for evil or good He nonetheless spoken of in the ears of men.

Phil 1:15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.


For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Willie-T]

Really?




This is from a thread back in January:
In January you post several times on hypergrace in G777's thread about hypergrace in a liking & positive way.

How do you explain this after saying you never heard of hypergrace until some "legalists" started the trouble?

Also, how do you explain how you posted about hypergrace like you like the name hypergrace from a hypergrace site that loves the name as well.

What's the word I'm looking for..... Lie?

Straw man created outta nothing & blames legalists that don't exist for everything.

I can get a kick out of Legalist's attempts to place a derogatory label on people who trust God's grace when Legalists first invented the name.

Just like we laugh about Hillary trying to put us down by calling us a "basket of deplorables". Thanks to her, we now proudly throw the same term back at her.

Legalistic haters also first tried to defame Followers of Christ there in Antioch by calling them what was meant to be a derogatory name... "CHRISTIANS." Now, even YOU call yourself by that name that was originally meant to mock us.

 

[Depleted]

Let's break this down.....

1. Legalists who don't exist are crying that hypergrace is bad & these same grace-hating legalists hate Paul for preaching grace.
2. True christians that believe & love REAL grace ARE the ones crying out that hypergrace is wrong & deceitful.
3. Conclusion: Willie is implying that true christians that love & appreciate REAL grace are the legalists that are grace haters & hate the Apostle Paul
4. Willie is accusing others of bad things & name-calling, WHICH, BTW, got the arguing about hypergrace banned in the first place.
5. Whether or not the above is fully correct, Willie is accusing a group, Willie is name-calling a group, which means Willie is breaking the rules.

To be clear, passive-aggressive name calling is not breaking TOS. It's when you actually say a certain person is that, it becomes a problem.

Also, since he is against legalists, wouldn't you have to assume he's NOT a rule follower?

 

[Depleted]

so, in regards to no.3, I guess how you and some others, ( and some churches and denominations) define " real " grace as grace you have to earn. this may not be true, but it sure seems like ya'll do not like the idea that we are saved by grace only, it is not of ourselves , it is the gift of God. but, I do not filter my Biblical theology through denominational beliefs, so that could be why I see grace , you know, as a GIFT THAT WE DO NOT EARN.

Since you asked, nope. We're not saved by grace alone. We're saved by Christ alone.

 

[Stephen63]

I see where Jeremy White has been quoted in this thread. Here is his article below as an example of using this term to expose some of the common objections as well as how what is said has been in some cases completely mis-represented.

I have in the past asked for those that have spread some of these mis-representations which turned out to be slander and false accusations to actually prove this. They could not prove it and have remained silent.

There are also some areas that not all people will agree on concerning some points in scripture.

Unfortunately there will remain those that will continue to mis-represent what is said and "twist" what is said to try to make it "appear" to be something different by taking words out of the context they were said in.

This is very deceitful behavior and is a calling-card of the self-proclaimed heretic hunters that attack those that believe differently than others in some areas.

Here is the article if any one is interested. I believe it accurately represents what some grace people believe in the abundant grace of God and the gift of righteousness through Christ's finished work on the cross alone. Rom. 5:17

It is always good to hear it from the "horse's mouth" in context before we hear a matter out. We have a great salvation in our loving Lord and we have a good, good Father.

Here is an example of taking the lemons thrown to make lemonade out of it and to accurately say what is really being said.

Why I am Hyper-Grace: Answering Five Common Objections

1. YOU say I misrepresented Jeremy White. I didn't. Someone else misrepresented what they knew about hypergrace & blamed others & I called him out on it, with proof.

2. Now, you're all up in this making accusations of your own about me being deceitful and a heretic hunter.

3. I posted from the horse's mouth, quoting his own statements on this site. BTW, I'm allowed to make all the statements I want as long as they're on topic & true.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen & quit cryin'.

**You can say all day you wasn't accusing me, but in the end, you're accusing somebody & calling them names, & THAT'S STILL AGAINST THE RULES.