U.N. Votes Against Israel

[Desdichado]

I'm the same way. I have no patience for antisemitism. It isn't only because I'm part Jewish. If you were to meet me, you'd never know I'm an Halakhic Jew unless I were to share it with you (my physical features are definitely Northern European). My Jewish ancestors turned Lutheran early on. As a Christian, I think Judaism is a respectable religion, but a path to perdition all the same.

But I know my Jewish great great great grandparents were respectable, hard-working people. My great, great grandfather came to America with nothing, quickly assimilated, and earned every dime that fell into his hands.

The Jews I've known throughout my life are similar in character. They've never fleeced a soul.

That and, historically, odd pseudo Jews like me turned their back on other Jews when they were needed most. Some even supported the oppression of Ostenjuden because they were not as Westernized.

When the Holocaust was in full force, people with my mother's portion of Jewish blood (very little, but still enough) were thrown into camps with the more traditional, Hebrew-speaking, Judaism-practicing Jews.

I am never even cracking the door open to that. And while I realize one can separate Israel from Jew (they are not the same thing), it seems to me the great majority of opponents of Israel are also antisemitic.

Never Again. I am not turning my back on my kinsmen. However distant they may be.

I know we are to love our brothers and our enemies--------
BUT, as much as I try, I can not love those who openly hate God's chosen people.
He and his buddy must be some of those white supremacists we keep hearing about.

 

[kaylagrl]

I'm the same way. I have no patience for antisemitism. It isn't only because I'm part Jewish. If you were to meet me, you'd never know I'm an Halakhic Jew unless I were to share it with you (my physical features are definitely Northern European). My Jewish ancestors turned Lutheran early on. As a Christian, I think Judaism is a respectable religion, but a path to perdition all the same.

But I know my Jewish great great great grandparents were respectable, hard-working people. My great, great grandfather came to America with nothing, quickly assimilated, and earned every dime that fell into his hands.

The Jews I've known throughout my life are similar in character. They've never fleeced a soul.

That and, historically, odd pseudo Jews like me turned their back on other Jews when they were needed most. Some even supported the oppression of Ostenjuden because they were not as Westernized.

When the Holocaust was in full force, people with my mother's portion of Jewish blood (very little, but still enough) were thrown into camps with the more traditional, Hebrew-speaking, Judaism-practicing Jews.

I am never even cracking the door open to that. And while I realize one can separate Israel from Jew (they are not the same thing), it seems to me the great majority of opponents of Israel are also antisemitic.

Never Again. I am not turning my back on my kinsmen. However distant they may be.

Im not a Jew,but I feel the same as your last statement,I will never cease praying for Israel,nor turn my back on the Jews.

 

[tanakh]

Can you please show in Gen 12/15 and 17 where God made it a requirement for them to be obedient for them to OWN the land?

I know he gave them a requirement to live in peace in THEIR LAND, but where was the requirement for them to obey to OWN IT?

Pleased refer to Deuteronomy 28 in particular verses 62 -68

 

[dcontroversal]

No, that is not true. A Christian Palestinian is the same as any Christian, a non-Christian Palestinian can be,and are being saved. They are having visions of Jesus and are becoming born again. And that is wonderful because where they have come from,they are amazing witnesses for Christianity. None of that has anything to do with the land. The land belongs to the Jews both Biblically and historically.

Amen to that...the Lion of Judah will rule the land from the Mediterranean to the Euphrates and there will be ZERO Philistines (Palestinians) in the Land....

 

[tanakh]

The Bible says that God raises up and knocks kingdoms down. I definitely see Israel as a miracle.

God allows kingdoms to rise up. Satan is in charge of the kingdoms of the world thats why he could offer Christ all of them if he worshipped him and why the Beast kingdom will exist in the last days. God will allow the Antichrist to enter the world stage and Satan to do his worst to try to prevent Christ from taking back control of the Earth.

 

[Desertsrose]

Israel is supposedly the only democracy in the Middle East, yet 4.5 million Palestinians under its control can't vote | The Independent

Instead of believing the hype instigated by the Terrorist liars, get the facts.

Roughly 21% of Israel’s more than eight million citizens are Arabs. The vast majority of the Israeli Arabs - 81% - are Muslims. Arabs in Israel have equal voting rights; in fact, it is one of the few places in the Middle East where Arab women may vote. Arabs currently hold ten seats in the Knesset. Israeli Arabs have also held various government posts.Arabic, like Hebrew, is an official language in Israel. At the time of Israel’s founding, only one Arab high school was operating, today, there are hundreds of Arab schools. Most Arabs attend these schools.The sole legal distinction between Jewish and Arab citizens of Israel is that the latter are not required to serve in the Israeli army. This was to spare Arab citizens the need to take up arms against their brethren. Nevertheless, many Arabs have volunteered for military duty and the Druze and Circassian communities are subject to the draft.

 

[kaylagrl]

God allows kingdoms to rise up. Satan is in charge of the kingdoms of the world thats why he could offer Christ all of them if he worshipped him and why the Beast kingdom will exist in the last days. God will allow the Antichrist to enter the world stage and Satan to do his worst to try to prevent Christ from taking back control of the Earth.

Daniel 2 21

And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings


This is the verse I was referring to.

 

[tanakh]

Daniel 2 21

And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings


This is the verse I was referring to.

God allows the nations to rise and fall. Satan is temporarily in charge of this world thats why you get the Ottoman Empire
The third Reich. The USSR, North Korea and people like Saddam Hussein, Gadaffe and Assad in charge along with every other Tyrant in history

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I know we are to love our brothers and our enemies--------
BUT, as much as I try, I can not love those who openly hate God's chosen people.
He and his buddy must be some of those white supremacists we keep hearing about.

racism (which this clearly is) of any kind should be "shunned" by the church, Israel was some of the biggest racist ever known (hater of all gentile people) so one could say they are getting back what they gave out, But this is not Christlike at all. and 2 wrongs does not make a right, period.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Pleased refer to Deuteronomy 28 in particular verses 62 -68

Like Lev 26, all this shows is if they are disobedient, they will not live in peace in THEIR OWN LAND, that there will be a time, if they continue even after being warned, that they will be defeated as a nation, and be scattered.

Again, I asked, Where in matt does it say there are requirements for them to maintain if they are to OWN IT? The passage you gave shows requirements if they are to USE IT..

big difference between own and use.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God allows the nations to rise and fall. Satan is temporarily in charge of this world thats why you get the Ottoman Empire
The third Reich. The USSR, North Korea and people like Saddam Hussein, Gadaffe and Assad in charge along with every other Tyrant in history

in other words..

Satan is NOT BOUND, even though some want to try to say he is.

 

[tanakh]

in other words..

Satan is NOT BOUND, even though some want to try to say he is.

He is only bound in regard to the last days. Revelation states that the Antichrist is revealed when what is preventing him is taken away. I believe the Holy Spirit will allow Satan to produce Antichrist and the Beast kingdom when he chooses.
Meanwhile Satan controls ALL nations without exception and uses them as dress rehearsals for Armageddon.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

He is only bound in regard to the last days. Revelation states that the Antichrist is revealed when what is preventing him is taken away. I believe the Holy Spirit will allow Satan to produce Antichrist and the Beast kingdom when he chooses.
Meanwhile Satan controls ALL nations without exception and uses them as dress rehearsals for Armageddon.

True,

But Rev says at a certain point, Satan will be bound in a place he has no control or influence over ANY NATION.

That is what I means, when I said he is not bound

He has always from th ebegining been limited, in the aspect he can only do what God allows. But that is not being "bound" as it says in revelations.

 

[tanakh]

True,

But Rev says at a certain point, Satan will be bound in a place he has no control or influence over ANY NATION.

That is what I means, when I said he is not bound

He has always from th ebegining been limited, in the aspect he can only do what God allows. But that is not being "bound" as it says in revelations.

Satan is bound during the Millennium. Otherwise apart from the Millennium I cant see where else he is bound in the world at present apart from the Antichrist connection that I already mentioned. He was not even bound in Eden. That's why we are all in such a mess. By the way it is 'Revelation' not Revelations. There is a huge difference between the two that leads to how people view the book

 

[dcontroversal]

God allows the nations to rise and fall. Satan is temporarily in charge of this world thats why you get the Ottoman Empire
The third Reich. The USSR, North Korea and people like Saddam Hussein, Gadaffe and Assad in charge along with every other Tyrant in history

God still has the ability to influence and or move leaders to make particular decisions so as to manipulate the end game or outcome.......Pharaoh is one example, Cyrus is another........

 

[Word_Swordsman]

God allowed the Jews to live in the land on the condition that they keep their side of the covenant that he made with them.
They have failed to do so. All those who have an uncritical view of Israel should read their bibles. God used the Assyrians to remove the ten tribes who never returned to the land. He used the Babylonians to remove Judah and the Romans to remove them a second time. Their occupation of the land now is for the purpose of judgement not blessing otherwise they would be living in peace. He is using he nations to achieve this. Do you seriously think Israel is fulfilling their part of the covenant? Israel is a secular state that rejects Christ and will continue to do so until the second coming when a remnant will inherit the land. Meanwhile Israel should return to the pre 1967 borders and Jerusalem should be under UN control as an international city by doing so they may have some measure of peace until God decides to intervene.

Our church in the USA is closely associated with churches in Israel, which are showing there is revival there, many Jews and Arabs becoming believers. I don't think it's realistic to say the whole nation is at odds with God. Maybe, like here, the national government is secular, for good reasons better than Iran's cursed government.

I'll have to offer something besides scriptures to make a point of what's really happening between the UN and Israel. We have a very secular state called Texas, filling up with mostly illegal immigrants. Some schools there are now 100% hispanic. Being added to their basis curriculum the state requires is emphasis upon Mexican history and the loss of their claims in the USA. There are groups there driving for enough voters to make Texas a new nation, a departure from wanting to make it an extension of Mexico. California has potential to swing that way too.

Now consider the possibility of the UN voting to force American citizens to stop building homes in Texas, favoring undocumented Hispanics coming in from many parts of South and Central America. They migrated en masse illegally mostly over the last several decades, and now begin to exercise "squatters rights", demanding all sorts of benefits as though legal citizens. I think most Americans in this nation would be outraged, opposed to such a vote or any interference from the UN.

That's what's happening in Israel. After WW1 the Arabs were assigned perhaps 600 times more land to settle in, by the Balfour Declaration. It gave the name "Palestine" to Israel, which "state of Palestine" never before existed by that name. The world essentially recognized Jews needed their own place. Over time Arabs were attracted to immigrate from Jordan, et.al, in response to the job market rising in Israel. Later, after WW2, Israel was recognized as the nation "Israel", not "Palestine". The Arabs resisted, lost the war with Israel in 1948. Again the Arab neighbors ignored world agreement, attacking Israel from all sides in 67, by that attack losing land claims built up since Balfour. Slowly, the squatters rebuild to claim a huge slice of modern Israel, with a lost world trying to hold Israel to the "Land for Peace" concept.

The UN resolution has effectively "removed" the only bargaining power Israel has, effectively nullifying the UN 242 resolution promoting land for peace. The UN stood by all along allowing violations of that from the Arabs, there never being a genuine move on the part of Arabs to make peace.

Our outgoing President has destroyed prospects of peace in the Middle East and around the world by cowardly acts he dared not attempt while the other branches of government lacked opportunity to weigh in on. Trump has a tough job to do to correct all those poor judgments.

 

[dcontroversal]

I'm the same way. I have no patience for antisemitism. It isn't only because I'm part Jewish. If you were to meet me, you'd never know I'm an Halakhic Jew unless I were to share it with you (my physical features are definitely Northern European). My Jewish ancestors turned Lutheran early on. As a Christian, I think Judaism is a respectable religion, but a path to perdition all the same.

But I know my Jewish great great great grandparents were respectable, hard-working people. My great, great grandfather came to America with nothing, quickly assimilated, and earned every dime that fell into his hands.

The Jews I've known throughout my life are similar in character. They've never fleeced a soul.

That and, historically, odd pseudo Jews like me turned their back on other Jews when they were needed most. Some even supported the oppression of Ostenjuden because they were not as Westernized.

When the Holocaust was in full force, people with my mother's portion of Jewish blood (very little, but still enough) were thrown into camps with the more traditional, Hebrew-speaking, Judaism-practicing Jews.

I am never even cracking the door open to that. And while I realize one can separate Israel from Jew (they are not the same thing), it seems to me the great majority of opponents of Israel are also antisemitic.

Never Again. I am not turning my back on my kinsmen. However distant they may be.

Amen to that...nor would anyone sane expect you to bro.

 

[Bladerunner]

Can you please show in Gen 12/15 and 17 where God made it a requirement for them to be obedient for them to OWN the land?

I know he gave them a requirement to live in peace in THEIR LAND, but where was the requirement for them to obey to OWN IT?

"When the Jewish people entered the Promised Land, God warned them that if they practiced the idolatry and immorality of the land's previous inhabitants, whom He had destroyed for their evil (Deuteronomy 9: 4),

"4 Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the Lord thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the Lord hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the Lord doth drive them out from before thee."


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[Bladerunner]

God allows the nations to rise and fall. Satan is temporarily in charge of this world thats why you get the Ottoman Empire
The third Reich. The USSR, North Korea and people like Saddam Hussein, Gadaffe and Assad in charge along with every other Tyrant in history

And in Revelation we'll find many of the Nations that will rise and fall.

I run across this paper the other day and thought it might be appropriate. Because of its length and number of Pictures I have posted the URL. If you are at all interested in what is going on in Israel and Revelation,,,I suggest you look at this. Enjoy

Top Prophecy Stories of 2016

 

[Bladerunner]

If any of you have any doubt that God is still protecting Israel then you need to see this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOPAxLDGRIU

7 of 15) "God continues to intervene for His sovereign nation of Israel. In November, he sent a pillar of a cloud of dust and rain to push back ISIS on Israel's border. See it here. He who keeps Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps (Psalm 121). The cloud of dust and rain stayed right at the border and did not cross into Israel."



Bible Prophecy Stories of 2016
By Jan Markell,
December 30, 2015