Why? You ignored the last time, so why should I think something changed since then?
Interesting! ?? What is the verse I ignored the last time?
Verse for "once saved always saved"?
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Interesting! ?? What is the verse I ignored the last time?
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That's because people have been taught incorrect doctrine. God is love.
To understand the heart of God just remember the Cross. God loved us so much that
He sent His Son Jesus to die for us. Christ purpose on the earth was to destroy
the works of the devil and to restore mankind with having a relationship with
the Heavenly Father. Salvation has always been about God's Grace and Mercy.
We can't save ourselves.
1. Jesus is the Way John14:6
2. Eternal Life John17:3
3. Saved by Grace Eph2:8-9
4. No Condemnation in Christ Rom8:1-2
5. God's Love Romans5:8
6. Forgiveness for repenting 1Jhn1:9
Prayer, Studying God's Word, and Worship
These things are very necessary for your growth as a Christian.
Study God's Word everyday.
Learn it, Live it, and Obey it
To God be the Glory
Preacha24-7 Evangelist to the Homeless (Street Ministry)
To understand the heart of God just remember the Cross. God loved us so much that
He sent His Son Jesus to die for us. Christ purpose on the earth was to destroy
the works of the devil and to restore mankind with having a relationship with
the Heavenly Father. Salvation has always been about God's Grace and Mercy.
We can't save ourselves.
1. Jesus is the Way John14:6
2. Eternal Life John17:3
3. Saved by Grace Eph2:8-9
4. No Condemnation in Christ Rom8:1-2
5. God's Love Romans5:8
6. Forgiveness for repenting 1Jhn1:9
Prayer, Studying God's Word, and Worship
These things are very necessary for your growth as a Christian.
Study God's Word everyday.
Learn it, Live it, and Obey it
To God be the Glory
Preacha24-7 Evangelist to the Homeless (Street Ministry)
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Their is no such thing. Once you commit to Jesus and I mean Truly Commit you are forgiven. We all sin even after we ask for forgiveness. But if you Truly are sorry for your messing up you can be forgiven again. Just remember you can con God you have to Truly mean what you say when speaking to Him. Matthew 18:21-22 speaking to Peter
'All that the Father gives to Me will come to Me, and him who comes to Me I will in no wise cast out. For I am come down from Heaven not to do my own will, but the will of Him Who sent
Me. And this is the will of Him Who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the Last Day,' (John 6.37-39)
Clearly stated!
Originally Posted by Chester
With a few works/faith debates raging, I thought it might be appropriate to ask again if anyone has discovered a verse in the Bible that clearly states that "once a person is saved, that they will always be saved"?
As before, please don't just throw a whole pile of verses at me, or make statements trying to intellectually prove OSAS.
What I want is just one verse that clearly states OSAS and then you can explain why you believe it teaches OSAS. Then I and others can respond.
'Who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our doings, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, but now has been manifested by the appearing of our Saviour, Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the Gospel (2 Tim 1.9).
you can dodge it, but its quite plain,
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Where does the Bible specifically say that a really "saved" person really "lost their salvation?"
Originally Posted by Chester
As before, please don't just throw a whole pile of verses at me, or make statements trying to intellectually prove OSAS.
What I want is just one verse that clearly states OSAS and then you can explain why you believe it teaches OSAS. Then I and others can respond.
But when the kindness of God our Saviour, and His love towards man appeared, not by works done in righteousness which we did ourselves, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, which He poured out upon us richly through Christ Jesus our Saviour, that being justified by His grace we might be made heirs according to the assured hope of eternal life. (Titus 3.4-7).
Psalm 37:28 - For the Lord loves justice, And does not forsake His saints; They are preserved forever, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.
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I am saddened by the amount of people who think they are more powerful than God. and can "pluck themselves" out of his hands, When God said plainly, NO ONE IS ABLE TO DO THAT.
Of course, if people truly experienced the love of God, and saw the riches of his blessings being poured out. THEY WOULD NEVER WANT TO LEAVE.. so thus begs the question, Why do they think ANYONE would want to leave, and return back to the world they begged on their knees to be brought out of?
Of course, if people truly experienced the love of God, and saw the riches of his blessings being poured out. THEY WOULD NEVER WANT TO LEAVE.. so thus begs the question, Why do they think ANYONE would want to leave, and return back to the world they begged on their knees to be brought out of?
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Funny. Since I called you on your trick question. (It has to be one verse, like God ever talked in verses, not full thought.) And then I gave you the answer. So did others. And, viola! You did exactly what you wanted to do with it back then. I gave you the full thought. Someone did cut it down to one of the verses in that full thought, and you played games with that one verse saying it wasn't enough. No kidding! And yet, this IS your game!I surely did read all the verses I got!
PennEd got it right. You are here to play games, not learn.
(Page three for anyone who wants to see Chester's game in action.)
I suggest you start another thread with that exact question and see what people say. My question was different: I am asking for a verse that says salvation cannot be lost once a person has believed.
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same difference really. a passage sayign salvation can be lost would prove your point would it not?
And many of those so called verses have been shown.. have they not?
Verse 37 says that the one "coming" (present tense = ongoing action) to the Father will not be cast out.
This is an absolute 100% truth - a beautiful promise. It says nothing about the person who is knowingly, ongoingly rejecting Christ -- the promise of verse 37 does not apply to such a person.
If one has already decided the Bible teaches "once saved, always saved", then I could see how verse 38 could be interpreted as meaning this. But if one comes without this presupposition, then this verse does not even come close to saying that "once a person is saved they will always be saved". It says that the will of the Father is that everything that He has given to the Son - that of this the Son should lose nothing . . ." What has He given to the Son? Probably the ones "coming to him" in verse 37. Surely it does not include those who are openly ongoingly rejecting Christ.
I am looking for a verse that clearly says that once a person has believed in Christ and been born again, that it is impossible for him to stop believing in Christ. I believe Scripture is clear that the one who believes is saved and the one who does not believe is not saved.
These verses talk about the blessing and the security of the one who is believing in Christ. This security does not belong to the one who is not believing in Christ.
Ah! Playing dodgeball!
Let me let it hit me right in the heart! I am out of time now, but will get back and answer this and a few others later today.
Some great verses you have here, Valiant -- We are probably not going to agree, but I hope we can learn from one another. I like your spirit displayed here.
Here I agree it is quite plain that saves us by His mercy and grace, not by our works. This was His plan before the world was, and with the coming of Jesus (and his death and resurrection) he overcame death and "brought life and immortality to light through the Gospel" -- all to those who believe in Him - Yes, and amen 100%!!!!
But I don't see that it says that once a person believes in Christ at a point in time, that that automatically means that he will continue to believe for the rest of his life.