The easy way to spot a false grace message
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Thankyou for this. Please show us all where I said, you are against all who walk in
righteousness?
Please show me where I said you can sin all you want.
Please who me where I said you are against those who want to follow God commands.
I have said you oppose me, and I want to walk righteously, not sin, follows Gods commands
in the Holy Spirit.
Now your objection is I cannot walk righteously, that I will always sin, and that I cannot
follow Gods commands in the Holy Spirit.
So I am not actually lying or bearing a false witness. This is what you are saying and doing,
and you confirm your whole approach again by this post.
If you did not oppose these things you would be encouraging me and saying amen, praise the Lord
that He has given you this enthusiasm for His word and righteousness.
So my friend, you are hot air, and empty. You are just hurting yourself, not a good idea, friend.
righteousness?
Please show me where I said you can sin all you want.
Please who me where I said you are against those who want to follow God commands.
I have said you oppose me, and I want to walk righteously, not sin, follows Gods commands
in the Holy Spirit.
Now your objection is I cannot walk righteously, that I will always sin, and that I cannot
follow Gods commands in the Holy Spirit.
So I am not actually lying or bearing a false witness. This is what you are saying and doing,
and you confirm your whole approach again by this post.
If you did not oppose these things you would be encouraging me and saying amen, praise the Lord
that He has given you this enthusiasm for His word and righteousness.
So my friend, you are hot air, and empty. You are just hurting yourself, not a good idea, friend.
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Right, but Christians do still have the flesh, and it is always and at all times at war with the Spirit within us. And that is the reason Christians do not always do the good we want to do.
"For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want." Galatians 5:17
"For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want." Galatians 5:17
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Well you think wrong, Because people talk about wanting to walk with God all the time, and I am right there with them.
I am against people who claim salvation is based on how well they live their lives, or based on producing fruit, or based on how sinless they are.
I am not against people who want to walk with God and learn to be like he is.
I agree.
My question is: If a believer in Christ - sealed by the Holy Spirit when they believed the gospel of their salvation when they heard the message of Christ. Eph. 1:13 - this believer sins - do they change from being a child of God to a child of the devil because of this sin?
I say that because I could post a scripture that says "He who sins is of the devil." Obviously we need to "interpret" that scripture in it's setting and also through the lens of the finished work of Christ.
Maybe there are actual people that think they go from being a child of God to a child of the devil each time they sin.
They would go back and forth from being a child of God to being a child of the devil quite a bit if they ever saw the holiness of God. I have asked this question before but no one answers.
My question is: If a believer in Christ - sealed by the Holy Spirit when they believed the gospel of their salvation when they heard the message of Christ. Eph. 1:13 - this believer sins - do they change from being a child of God to a child of the devil because of this sin?
I say that because I could post a scripture that says "He who sins is of the devil." Obviously we need to "interpret" that scripture in it's setting and also through the lens of the finished work of Christ.
Maybe there are actual people that think they go from being a child of God to a child of the devil each time they sin.
They would go back and forth from being a child of God to being a child of the devil quite a bit if they ever saw the holiness of God. I have asked this question before but no one answers.
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All anyone has to do is read your posts..
But I do not appose you because you want to walk righteously. So there, you just proved one lie.
Nope. never said that, You go from one lie to another..
Actually God says that you will never be sinless until you are glorified, until then you will continue to be a work in progress, not me,
As for following Gods commands, I never said you could not. That is another lie. (I said you could not follow them as per Gods standard, which is perfection. NO ONE CAN)
Oh? I just caught you in two lies.. And you still want to say you are innocent.
Prove it.
strawman argiment, Does NOTHING to support your accusations.
When you start saying you do them BECAUSE YOU ARE SAVED, and because God is empowering you, and will never fail to stop growing you in him, Then I will praise God.
Until then, I have to think you are depending on your own power. which is a dangerous thing to do. and I must warn you (even though you think I am attacking you
)Another attack, (SMHID) I just proved two lies in one post. But I am hot air.
This stuff has got to stop..
The flesh is not the outer skin or physical body, it is the sin nature of the first Adam, which is why we must be born again of the Spirit and made a new creature in Christ. When you are born again of the Spirit you are no longer in the flesh....
Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Romans 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
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When you do the same sin over and over, and continue to deny it, You have what God calls a hard heart.
You are so determined to prove yourself innocent at all costs. You have destroyed your testimony of wanting to follow Gods righteousness.
You say you want to follow god. then you sin by slandering people..You want people to listen to you,
even if they disagree with you, Then staet learning what others believe, Stop ASSUMING you know. and stop slandering them with your silly notions of what they believe, then getting defensive when they confront you on it.
You are so determined to prove yourself innocent at all costs. You have destroyed your testimony of wanting to follow Gods righteousness.
You say you want to follow god. then you sin by slandering people..You want people to listen to you,
even if they disagree with you, Then staet learning what others believe, Stop ASSUMING you know. and stop slandering them with your silly notions of what they believe, then getting defensive when they confront you on it.
So, we don't go back forth from being a child of God to a child of the devil then because of sinning. One could also say we don't go back and forth from being a sheep to a goat. There are no "shoats" or combination animals either....lol
This is why I am trying to ask good questions to see how some interpret scriptures.
This is why I am trying to ask good questions to see how some interpret scriptures.
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Did I say anything about a physical body?? Neither is the flesh (sarx) a sin nature. The flesh is those “bents” that have been developed within our desires, which are not eradicated at conversion. A Christian is not "in the flesh" but neither is a Christian no longer influenced by it. It is the flesh that the enemy, who actually helped to develop those "bents", will always try to use to tempt us. But we do not have to succumb to those temptations because that’s not who we are anymore, and the One who is in us is greater than the one who is in the world.
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I agree...( except for the sin nature thing - we only have one nature and it is from God - the new creation in Christ...the flesh is the ways we try to get things apart from God - our old habits left over from the fall of Adam still in our un-renewed minds. )
Christians never become "out of the Spirit" ..Christians are always "in the Spirit and NOT in the flesh".
It is a position in Christ now because the new creation ( the inner man created in righteousness and holiness ) is separated from the flesh by the circumcision of Christ. Col. 2:11. The body of the flesh has been cut way by the Holy Spirit and our inner man in the new creation in Christ is sealed by the Holy Spirit.
This is why "sin" the noun ( an entity within our flesh ) shall not have dominion over us. People can get this confused with the act of "sinning". Romans 6-7 uses it as a noun 48x times.
When we walk by the spirit - we will not fulfill the desire of the flesh. Gal. 5:16
Works-based salvationists put this backwards - they say if you don't do the lusts of the flesh - you will be walking by the Spirit. Man-centered religion which substitutes Christ's life in us for "what they do".
The Christian is never "in the flesh" because they are in Christ. They can live "according to the flesh" but this never puts them back "in the flesh" as it is a position in Christ that we are "in the Spirit" at all times.
Not knowing this leads to all kinds of doctrines like this "sinless perfection in the flesh" one that some try to promote where they say that people never sin and if they do sin - they are not born of God and are now a child of the devil.
As long as we have the flesh with us which is until we die - people can and sometimes do give in to the flesh in some form.
This includes malice and slander too as well as the "biggie sins" but to the self-righteous - these sins are not "recognized". - But others see it as plain as day for what it really is.
Let's learn to walk by the Spirit so that we don't fulfill the lusts of the flesh - how do we do this? Through Christ alone - all by grace through faith.
Colossians 2:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,
The flesh is also used as a term to describe self-effort to make one righteous.
Galatians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
Christians never become "out of the Spirit" ..Christians are always "in the Spirit and NOT in the flesh".
It is a position in Christ now because the new creation ( the inner man created in righteousness and holiness ) is separated from the flesh by the circumcision of Christ. Col. 2:11. The body of the flesh has been cut way by the Holy Spirit and our inner man in the new creation in Christ is sealed by the Holy Spirit.
This is why "sin" the noun ( an entity within our flesh ) shall not have dominion over us. People can get this confused with the act of "sinning". Romans 6-7 uses it as a noun 48x times.
When we walk by the spirit - we will not fulfill the desire of the flesh. Gal. 5:16
Works-based salvationists put this backwards - they say if you don't do the lusts of the flesh - you will be walking by the Spirit. Man-centered religion which substitutes Christ's life in us for "what they do".
The Christian is never "in the flesh" because they are in Christ. They can live "according to the flesh" but this never puts them back "in the flesh" as it is a position in Christ that we are "in the Spirit" at all times.
Not knowing this leads to all kinds of doctrines like this "sinless perfection in the flesh" one that some try to promote where they say that people never sin and if they do sin - they are not born of God and are now a child of the devil.
As long as we have the flesh with us which is until we die - people can and sometimes do give in to the flesh in some form.
This includes malice and slander too as well as the "biggie sins" but to the self-righteous - these sins are not "recognized". - But others see it as plain as day for what it really is.
Let's learn to walk by the Spirit so that we don't fulfill the lusts of the flesh - how do we do this? Through Christ alone - all by grace through faith.
Colossians 2:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,
The flesh is also used as a term to describe self-effort to make one righteous.
Galatians 3:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh?
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