The easy way to spot a false grace message

[joaniemarie]

I'm speaking the words of God, which is why I quote His words to prove it. So yes, if you are against His words which I speak, then you are against the words of God. [/QUOT



You and all the Jehovah Witnesses who know how to quote the Bible for instance. They often come to our house and misquote the Bible but we are not against the Word of God., we are against the JWs interpretation of the Word of God. And so many are against your interpretation in just the same way.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

This I can agree with, and in fact, Have been shown a few times since I have been here, where I made mistakes of assuming somethign that was not true based on something someone said.

Which is why I think we need to stop looking at signs, and actually listen to people (I have tried to tell peter this for months now)

However, When it comes to a few select people. I think it is quite clear..that is not what is happening here.


Yes,,



Thats not what I hear a few people in here say.



The word chopped down actually means to prune,, It talks about a vine which is laying on the ground unable to produce fruit, So the vine keeper lifts it up and cuts off all that has died, so the living can start to produce fruit.

This is what God does to his children, He does not cut them off (take back their salvation) he cuts off the dead (most likely by trial, tribulation and chastening) until we start to produce fruit again..

I was talking about the place that says...should we chop it down? And the master of the vineyard says, no, let's prune it and give it another year and see if it produces fruit before we do that. (paraphrase).

As to your last sentence, as I said, some men do believe it is possible to turn back after putting your hand to the plow and to fall away. You have to come to some kind of peace in yourself regarding this, letting them work it out with God because no matter how long you argue with them about it, this is what they believe. Even some men who have walked with God a long time and who have grown much in love and humility and virtue still believe it is possible to turn back to the world.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I was talking about the place that says...should we chop it down? And the master of the vineyard says, no, let's prune it and give it another year and see if it produces fruit before we do that. (paraphrase).

As to your last sentence, as I said, some men do believe it is possible to turn back after putting your hand to the plow and to fall away. You have to come to some kind of peace in yourself regarding this, letting them work it out with God because no matter how long you argue with them about it, this is what they believe. Even some men who have walked with God a long time and who have grown much in love and humility and virtue still believe it is possible to turn back to the world.

If they believe it that is fine,

When they judge others because they do not believe it, (as some do) then they can expect to be confronted.

As I said, This op is an attack on people he CLAIMS to believe we have no victory over sin and we believe sin has dominion over us, WHEN NON OF US WOULD EVER PREACH.

It is one of his MANY attacks on what he deems to be HG believers.. plain and simple. do we allow this to continue, enable it? or try to put a stop to it.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

we enable people by continuing to support their behavior, and start judging people who are trying to confront them for their sin.

we do not enable them when we confront them, I am not saying when they mess up a few times, I am talking about deep habitual sin, like has been going on here for months.

I am not talking about harsh remarks either,

I am talking about all the slander, the lieing ,and the attacking a select group of people based on false information

If I ignore their bad behavior and focus on whatever is good or lovely in a post, it doesn't mean I'm enabling them. It just means I am focusing on the lovely part, even if it's only a sentence. Babies soil their pants. I deal with it. I will try to speak with the more mature one to stop doing it though. And they will usually hear me at some point when their flareup of flesh calms down and they get alone with God in the evening.

 

[PeterJens]

EG - I am lost.

Yes, I know you are. Thats why you refuse to repent of slandering me and so many others in CC, And keep on trying to tell me what you think.

EG - God bless you, in you daily life may you find happiness and grace,
may the things you do bring delight to yourself and those you meet.

Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
Rev 1:3

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG - God bless you, in you daily life may you find happiness and grace,
may the things you do bring delight to yourself and those you meet.

Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.
Rev 1:3

Thank you. I appreciate that.

Now, will you repent of your sins against us? Or continue to deny them?

if you refuse, we will never have a groundwork for any discussion of Gods word. We can not even agree to disagree because even that would be on a false pretense (you can not disagree with something you do not even know)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If I ignore their bad behavior and focus on whatever is good or lovely in a post, it doesn't mean I'm enabling them. It just means I am focusing on the lovely part, even if it's only a sentence. Babies soil their pants. I deal with it. I will try to speak with the more mature one to stop doing it though. And they will usually hear me at some point when their flareup of flesh calms down and they get alone with God in the evening.

A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

What good is a little truth, when the whole is based on slander attack and a lie.

We are not talking about a slight disagreement here, Or someone new who posted something we may disagree with, and trying to find common ground, to see if we can have any discussion (I would agree with you, that is a good thing)

That is not what is happening..

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

If they believe it that is fine,

When they judge others because they do not believe it, (as some do) then they can expect to be confronted.

As I said, This op is an attack on people he CLAIMS to believe we have no victory over sin and we believe sin has dominion over us, WHEN NON OF US WOULD EVER PREACH.

It is one of his MANY attacks on what he deems to be HG believers.. plain and simple. do we allow this to continue, enable it? or try to put a stop to it.

Well, you've tried, and very vocally, to stop it, for a long, long time now. So maybe some wisdom from the Lord is needed about how we can change our approach if our approach has never worked. If you don't do or believe what he says, maybe it isn't an attack on you but rather on someone who DOES do and believe what he says. If you don't do or believe the things he is talking about, then how could it be an attack on you? Your approach is not working and it has never worked. So why do you continue in it day after day, month after month, year after year? Has any good come of it? Have you even once achieved what it is you desire from these men?

 

[Stephen63]

I find it hilarious, the insinuations of this alleged 'pack mentality' and 'calling the dogs' accusation. LOL!

No, it's none of that, it's like a car wreck, everyone slows down to take a look at the horrifying remains.

In this venue (concerning the OP and the proponents thereof) it's a theological train wreck, and 'the pack' has come out to get the train back on the right track.

Sounds like you've been taking "grasping for straws" lessons from EG, LOL!

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I'd like to read it if you will post it.

I don't know if you were talking to me about that other post, but here it is--->>>>http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/123667-washed-water-blood-word.html

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Well that's the fight Paul was talking about with new converts,he said he spoke the way he did to them in Romans 7 because of the infirmity of their flesh. But the old man with the lusts thereof can be put to death by the Spirit, then you will have peace.

I have begun to see great victories, but unless you can still be a new convert after nearly ten years, I had pretty awful struggles before He gave me peace. I was still struggling many years after meeting Him. I still have troubles sometimes, but He is able to grab me much more quickly before I am overwhelmed in them.

 

[Utah]

I'm speaking the words of God, which is why I quote His words to prove it. So yes, if you are against His words which I speak, then you are against the words of God. [/QUOT



You and all the Jehovah Witnesses who know how to quote the Bible for instance. They often come to our house and misquote the Bible but we are not against the Word of God., we are against the JWs interpretation of the Word of God. And so many are against your interpretation in just the same way.

Welcome to the family, JM.

 

[Grace777x70]

I have begun to see great victories, but unless you can still be a new convert after nearly ten years, I had pretty awful struggles before He gave me peace. I was still struggling many years after meeting Him. I still have troubles sometimes, but He is able to grab me much more quickly before I am overwhelmed in them.

How would you feel all throughout your whole walk with the Lord someone was telling you " If you sin you are not born of God and you are a child of the devil - accursed child - because you sin".

Obviously you can see the damage and the potential to shipwreck your faith. this would be.

These scriptures all need to be taken in context with what Christ has done for us which is why we need to be able to examine the "application" of scriptures.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I have eternally-grateful on ignore because of his rude behavior and constant lies, but I just noticed he is changing my quotes as in post #526. This nonsense needs to stop! If you don't want people changing your words in your quotes don't do it to others!

Are there any Mods in these forums?

 

[Utah]

Sounds like you've been taking "grasping for straws" lessons from EG, LOL!

Hang in there, Stevie; I know one day you'll post something edifying.

 

[Utah]

I have eternally-grateful on ignore because of his rude behavior and constant lies, but I just noticed he is changing my quotes as in post #526. This nonsense needs to stop! If you don't want people changing your words in your quotes don't do it to others!

Are there any Mods in these forums?

Eeee gads! Editing and pasting and deflection, oh my!

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I don't know if you were talking to me about that other post, but here it is--->>>>http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/123667-washed-water-blood-word.html

This was lovely! Thank you.
It's made me crave to go eat some of His words, so I'm over and out for the evening.
Please bear with one another.

 

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[Stephen63]

Hang in there, Stevie; I know one day you'll post something edifying.

I would say the same thing to you..... but I'd be lying.

 

[Stephen63]

Haahaa..... & look out BDF, the one that taught them all just graced our thread, LOL!