The easy way to spot a false grace message

[PeterJens]

Thank you. I appreciate that.
Now, will you repent of your sins against us? Or continue to deny them?
if you refuse, we will never have a groundwork for any discussion of Gods word. We can not even agree to disagree because even that would be on a false pretense (you can not disagree with something you do not even know)

When I say I am lost, I do not know what you mean.
I cannot refuse or agree with what you say if I do not understand or have never understood.
Equally I cannot repent, which is know the action I have done which is wrong, agree it was
wrong, commit myself not to do it again, ask for forgiveness unless I know what you are saying.

So unless you can show me these things, in Gods word, then I have no foundation to stand on.

And saying I am slandering your theological position, when it is just putting it into context of
another theological position is unfortunately for you not sin or slander.

Emotional reference points and anger often blind people to the place they are really in.
You want responsibility and control, but you have to earn it by actually delivering sense
and truth. To date all you have done is claim offence, accuse and then call me a liar.

So please if you really want to speak truth speak it, or it is all wind, irrelevant.

 

[Utah]

I would say the same thing to you..... but I'd be lying.

Exactly. I already have my one edifying post.

 

[PeterJens]

I have eternally-grateful on ignore because of his rude behavior and constant lies, but I just noticed he is changing my quotes as in post #526. This nonsense needs to stop! If you don't want people changing your words in your quotes don't do it to others!

Are there any Mods in these forums?

ISIT - A desperate man, who is getting more and more frustrated, wants to put words
in our mouths to justify his world, because the emotion is stronger than the truth.

 

[Utah]

ISIT - A desperate man, who is getting more and more frustrated, wants to put words
in our mouths to justify his world, because the emotion is stronger than the truth.

You finally said something right about ISIT.

 

[PeterJens]

I have had a little laugh.

Is it possible to repent of sin when you do not know what the sin is, or what you have done wrong,
if the person says you know nothing about them or what you are talking about.

Sin accusation normally works when you prove the person knew their intention, intended something
wrong and caused harm. It does not work if you remove all the ingredients.

It then becomes a joke. But then this is actually what most of this posturing is.

A sinner unable to be free from sin, bound yet they have been freed and can walk without sin
and rejoices with a clean conscience in the freedom they have. That is just delusion.

One story was we are with Christ in heaven, so if we imagine very hard, then we can realise
perfection with Christ no matter where we actually are in life. Escapism or what.

You can believe all these things, that is always peoples choice, but this is my viewpoint on
them. Is it a sin to state the obvious, to bring the light to delusion and false teaching?

In that case, Jesus was wrong confronting the delusions and hypocracy of the pharisees,
and a sinner. What about turning the temple into a money making racket just like the
prosperity preachers promising money if people through money at the preacher?
Is this also a sin?

You begin to realise the ethic of upsetting people can become sinful itself, and make people
feel righteous and angry when they actually need to repent of dishonouring the Lord and His
word. So what is this spirit that rises above Gods word and claims rights and justice?
It is not the Holy Spirit but the Father of lies, who binds people in delusion and darkness,
takes away the promises of God and replaces them with reassurance and security in this world
while destroying their eternal future.

 

[PeterJens]

ISIT - A desperate man, who is getting more and more frustrated, wants to put words
in our mouths to justify his world, because the emotion is stronger than the truth.

Sorry, this should read ISIT - EG is a desperate man, who is getting more and more frustrated, wants
to put words in our mouths to justify his world, because the emotion is stronger than the truth.

But then you knew what I meant, lol. Funny how people are quick to jump to the wrong
conclusions, must be a spiritual thing.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

ISIT - A desperate man, who is getting more and more frustrated, wants to put words
in our mouths to justify his world, because the emotion is stronger than the truth.

Well that's why I put him on ignore long ago, but that does not stop him from trying to put words in others mouths, now he is changing my quotes. There are some people with some serious spiritual issues in these forums, and I'm not talking about good spirits either.

 

[PeterJens]

EG - is a wild man. I have seen him go for a lot of people in one flow.

He gets a buzz out of this. I do not expect anything from him, because he has
never delivered other than this jolting confrontation approach. It is like his set
piece, which he must get as part of his innate character, as there is none like him
on cc. Does not work though, just gets peoples backs up, lol.

What is also confusing ofcourse is if you ask someone to repent, which version of
repentance are you calling for? lol. The sackcloth and ashes or the I agree with God.

It is like lauren saying I was a rodent. lol. I like squirrels and there problem solving
ability, so not a bad thing to be aligned to, but I do not think she meant it kindly.

But then that somewhat undermines everything in a christian context, bit like blowing
your foot off, not very bright...

 

[dcontroversal]

Answer to the title of this thread....

The easiest way is to pay attention...

Those who add anything to grace for salvation teach a false grace message...

Faith plus any of the following leads to a gospel with no power to save and is cursed by God

Works, baptism, church membership, being slain in the spirit (false), back flipping through hoops and religious sacraments etc....

Believe and acknowledge Jesus = eternal salvation, justification, sealing and sanctification in Christ...end of story

those who trust into their works plus faith need to pay attention to Galatians 1,3.......

Are you so foolish, having begun in the spirit are you now made perfect by (works) flesh!

According to Paul...only fools believe works plus faith

 

[eternally-gratefull]

When I say I am lost, I do not know what you mean.

wpw Peter,. are you that troubled that you can not read? Are you that insecure that you have to defend yourself at all costs?

What does this have to do WITH WHAT YOU SAY PEOPLE LIKE ME BELIEVE?

Are you going to REPENT. or keep on blame shifting and running around in circles?

 

[oldethennew]

we want to focus on finding a 'True Grace Messeage'...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

ISIT - A desperate man, who is getting more and more frustrated, wants to put words
in our mouths to justify his world, because the emotion is stronger than the truth.

So does this prove that you are a DESPERATE MAN?

Because all you ever do is put words in peoples mouths, and twist what they say, t make it appear like they said somethign they never did.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have had a little laugh.

Is it possible to repent of sin when you do not know what the sin is, or what you have done wrong,

Oh your not that bad peter. You know exactly what you are doing, DO not play dumb. All your doing is deflecting, Sorry bro. NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

You want to keep it up. I will start reporting every post in the future you make of a person who you claim says something they have never said..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well that's why I put him on ignore long ago, but that does not stop him from trying to put words in others mouths, now he is changing my quotes. There are some people with some serious spiritual issues in these forums, and I'm not talking about good spirits either.

Look in a mirror lately?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

EG - is a wild man. I have seen him go for a lot of people in one flow.

He gets a buzz out of this. I do not expect anything from him, because he has
never delivered other than this jolting confrontation approach. It is like his set
piece, which he must get as part of his innate character, as there is none like him
on cc. Does not work though, just gets peoples backs up, lol.

What is also confusing ofcourse is if you ask someone to repent, which version of
repentance are you calling for? lol. The sackcloth and ashes or the I agree with God.

It is like lauren saying I was a rodent. lol. I like squirrels and there problem solving
ability, so not a bad thing to be aligned to, but I do not think she meant it kindly.

But then that somewhat undermines everything in a christian context, bit like blowing
your foot off, not very bright...

Oh yeah, I get a buzz out of this..


You have been warned, I have had enough of your stuff.. claiming to be all righteous, Yet deep in sin..
I second my warning, Keep this stuff up and I will report you EVERY TIME YOU SLANDER SOMEONE ELSE.

 

[Utah]

EG - is a wild man. I have seen him go for a lot of people in one flow.

He gets a buzz out of this. I do not expect anything from him, because he has
never delivered other than this jolting confrontation approach. It is like his set
piece, which he must get as part of his innate character, as there is none like him
on cc. Does not work though, just gets peoples backs up, lol.

What is also confusing ofcourse is if you ask someone to repent, which version of
repentance are you calling for? lol. The sackcloth and ashes or the I agree with God.

It is like lauren saying I was a rodent. lol. I like squirrels and there problem solving
ability, so not a bad thing to be aligned to, but I do not think she meant it kindly.

But then that somewhat undermines everything in a christian context, bit like blowing
your foot off, not very bright...

I enjoy a little bantering between members but you two idiots are having an open disparaging conversation about a brother in Christ and it better stop now.

 

[PeterJens]

EG does not get

 

[PeterJens]

EG- when you only give a part message

 

[PeterJens]

EG - it looses its meaning - which is why this strategy to have meaning has to be in the
light.

And everytime it just gets to be accusation - then nothing. So irrelevant.

 

[dcontroversal]

I enjoy a little bantering between members but you two idiots are having an open disparaging conversation about a brother in Christ and it better stop now.

When I was 12, I was always being pestered by this dude named Eddie...one day he hit me in the back and I chased him through the principles office.....she took us out back and gave us plastic swords and told us to get it over with.........

I played baseball and had about a 780 average.....When I got done...he NEVER messed with me again HAHAHHA........