The easy way to spot a false grace message
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Yes, This is what Jesus said He would do....
John 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
John 8:36
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
The scriptures agree with me and Jesus....
Romans 6:18
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Romans 6:22
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
John 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
John 8:36
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
The scriptures agree with me and Jesus....
Romans 6:18
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
Romans 6:22
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
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I do need to repent of my sins. But then, unlike you, I recognize that I do have sins to repent of. 
One, to turn around and go the other way.
Two, to be sorry for my pitiful behavior.
I say it is both.
Anyone walking intimately with Jesus will ultimately understand the horror of sin. Sin rolls DEATH into any picture.
There is no " work" in salvation. It is free.
Walking intimately with Jesus REQUIRES EFFORT. It is conditional. It is reward-Ing.
Sin leaves indirectly. It is out of the equation,not the core of walking free.
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When Jesus forgives our sins, they are forgiven and we are then Holy, clean purified.
What we are facing is the doctrine of total inability, ie we are innately sinful, so even if
forgiven, we are still sinful.
This is where the crushed optimism of youth that has been blasted out of us, needs
to come alive in faith, and truly walk in righteousness, not just imputed hypocracy.
It is why fake HG concepts pollute real spiritual truths to disqualify us from the true
promise God has for our hearts. We should not fear the people but the rejection
without understanding that which is of God and that which is from the enemy and man.
What we are facing is the doctrine of total inability, ie we are innately sinful, so even if
forgiven, we are still sinful.
This is where the crushed optimism of youth that has been blasted out of us, needs
to come alive in faith, and truly walk in righteousness, not just imputed hypocracy.
It is why fake HG concepts pollute real spiritual truths to disqualify us from the true
promise God has for our hearts. We should not fear the people but the rejection
without understanding that which is of God and that which is from the enemy and man.
see, that is the key. you have to transfer theology to reality. I gave i.s.i.t. an example of a thief coming to Christ, stealing again, confessing, asking for forgiveness, repenting, and he had to admit the person would still be saved, thus going against his constant " willful sin " rants.
reality. one day, they might get there.
reality. one day, they might get there.
The Bible says that if a person is led of the Spirit they will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,and show the characteristics of the Spirit,and not the characteristics of the flesh,so they are not under the law,for they are not breaking the law,so the law cannot touch them for prosecution,which this law is the moral laws,laws of love.
So a person cannot say it is not possible to abstain from sin,but if we do sin it can be forgiven us,and if we live in sin for a year it can be forgiven us,for sin can always be forgiven.
But in the flesh dwells no good thing,and the flesh is sinful even when saved,for the Spirit and flesh are contrary to each other.,and Paul said with the flesh he serves sin,not that he is sinning,but the flesh does change,but with the mind I serve Christ,for if we keep our mind on Jesus we can keep the flesh from having it's way.
I would not come across as holier than thou,for like the disciples said when reaching out to people,we are of like passions as you are,and the Bible says what makes you to differ from another person.
Because a person says we can abstain from sin,and have to abstain from sin,by being led of the Holy Spirit,does not mean they might not sin,but realize they should not sin,which is alright in the sense they are not being arrogant,but they should not come across as holier than thou as if they will not sin ever again for they do not know what the future holds,all we can say is I do not want to sin,and help me Jesus not to sin,and mean it,but not come across as arrogant for we do not know what the future holds to be able to say I will never sin again.
Whether a person believes it is not possible to abstain from sin,or they believe it is possible to abstain from sin,we can still take advantage of God's love,and mercy,and forgiveness,knowing He will forgive us,which I have seen people that believe it is possible to abstain from sin,but they would do little sins,but their overall life was basically descent,but a sin is a sin,and I have seen people that do not believe they could abstain from sin,be quite worldly.
So while both may sin the ones that believe they can abstain from sin,put more effort into not sinning,or keep it down quite a bit,while the ones that believe they could not abstain from sin,would put effort in to not sinning,but their belief in not being able to abstain from sin would cause them to slip in worldliness,because sometimes they would not try that hard,on an average.
Whatever a position people take it would be hard to believe that they would abstain from sin for the rest of their life,let's say if they live for 20 more years after being saved,or even a year,for we tend to do little sins that we think it is not so harmful,and does not bother us that much,and can shed it although we might come back to it,which God said love not the world,or the things of the world,even those things that appear to be harmless.
Peter even had a problem for about 14 years,which God did not approve of his behavior for Paul got in his face and told him to stop it,and the Galatians,as well as others back at a time when they were quite zealous to do right,so we do not want to come across as holier than thou,as if we will never sin again for we do not know what the future holds,which God says in the Old Testament of people that think they are holier than thou that they were a stench in His nostrils.
We are not to exalt ourselves even if we can abstain from sin for God gets the glory for it can only be done by His Spirit,although they would be worthy of honor for making the choice to abstain from sin,and mean it,but not to exalt themselves.
So a person cannot say it is not possible to abstain from sin,but if we do sin it can be forgiven us,and if we live in sin for a year it can be forgiven us,for sin can always be forgiven.
But in the flesh dwells no good thing,and the flesh is sinful even when saved,for the Spirit and flesh are contrary to each other.,and Paul said with the flesh he serves sin,not that he is sinning,but the flesh does change,but with the mind I serve Christ,for if we keep our mind on Jesus we can keep the flesh from having it's way.
I would not come across as holier than thou,for like the disciples said when reaching out to people,we are of like passions as you are,and the Bible says what makes you to differ from another person.
Because a person says we can abstain from sin,and have to abstain from sin,by being led of the Holy Spirit,does not mean they might not sin,but realize they should not sin,which is alright in the sense they are not being arrogant,but they should not come across as holier than thou as if they will not sin ever again for they do not know what the future holds,all we can say is I do not want to sin,and help me Jesus not to sin,and mean it,but not come across as arrogant for we do not know what the future holds to be able to say I will never sin again.
Whether a person believes it is not possible to abstain from sin,or they believe it is possible to abstain from sin,we can still take advantage of God's love,and mercy,and forgiveness,knowing He will forgive us,which I have seen people that believe it is possible to abstain from sin,but they would do little sins,but their overall life was basically descent,but a sin is a sin,and I have seen people that do not believe they could abstain from sin,be quite worldly.
So while both may sin the ones that believe they can abstain from sin,put more effort into not sinning,or keep it down quite a bit,while the ones that believe they could not abstain from sin,would put effort in to not sinning,but their belief in not being able to abstain from sin would cause them to slip in worldliness,because sometimes they would not try that hard,on an average.
Whatever a position people take it would be hard to believe that they would abstain from sin for the rest of their life,let's say if they live for 20 more years after being saved,or even a year,for we tend to do little sins that we think it is not so harmful,and does not bother us that much,and can shed it although we might come back to it,which God said love not the world,or the things of the world,even those things that appear to be harmless.
Peter even had a problem for about 14 years,which God did not approve of his behavior for Paul got in his face and told him to stop it,and the Galatians,as well as others back at a time when they were quite zealous to do right,so we do not want to come across as holier than thou,as if we will never sin again for we do not know what the future holds,which God says in the Old Testament of people that think they are holier than thou that they were a stench in His nostrils.
We are not to exalt ourselves even if we can abstain from sin for God gets the glory for it can only be done by His Spirit,although they would be worthy of honor for making the choice to abstain from sin,and mean it,but not to exalt themselves.
I find it of note that the 2 who are attacking others over the false accusations of being 'hyper' grace do so with inflammatory name calling, demeaning comments, lies, twisted words, and, not with any grace themselves. And, at the same time, pat each other on the back about being gracious. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!
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I find it of note that the 2 who are attacking others over the false accusations of being 'hyper' grace do so with inflammatory name calling, demeaning comments, lies, twisted words, and, not with any grace themselves. And, at the same time, pat each other on the back about being gracious. LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!
Well, you're entitled to your opinion, & so am I. Let me tell you mine.....
The hyper-grace followers on this site have been growing at an alarming rate lately. Now there's a big bunch of them. At least it "looks" like there's a bunch of them.
IMO, there's several members holding multiple memberships to multiply the effect they have in the BDF. Not only that, but some of them are PAID WORKERS, hired by hypergrace web sites, book publishers, or televangelists to advertise their doctrine & sell their wares.
Don't believe it? These HG's only argued & fought on here for a SOLID YEAR, taking over the whole BDF. Just ask the Admins & mods, they'll tell you.
These paid workers holding multiple memberships & pushing their agenda is called sock puppetry. Sock puppets are paid professionals whose sole purpose is to perpetuate a lie that, as an example, a certain new item for sale is the hottest new thing out there & everybody should buy it.
The REAL truth is, the new item is a piece of junk & folks are getting paid to pump up its sales.
The same thing is happening here..... people are getting paid to illegally advertise a false doctrine against CC rules, & holding multiple memberships to do it, which is against CC rules. Sock puppets, plain & simple. This is why they seem to work in "packs".
How's that for "detective work?"
The hyper-grace followers on this site have been growing at an alarming rate lately. Now there's a big bunch of them. At least it "looks" like there's a bunch of them.
IMO, there's several members holding multiple memberships to multiply the effect they have in the BDF. Not only that, but some of them are PAID WORKERS, hired by hypergrace web sites, book publishers, or televangelists to advertise their doctrine & sell their wares.
Don't believe it? These HG's only argued & fought on here for a SOLID YEAR, taking over the whole BDF. Just ask the Admins & mods, they'll tell you.
These paid workers holding multiple memberships & pushing their agenda is called sock puppetry. Sock puppets are paid professionals whose sole purpose is to perpetuate a lie that, as an example, a certain new item for sale is the hottest new thing out there & everybody should buy it.
The REAL truth is, the new item is a piece of junk & folks are getting paid to pump up its sales.
The same thing is happening here..... people are getting paid to illegally advertise a false doctrine against CC rules, & holding multiple memberships to do it, which is against CC rules. Sock puppets, plain & simple. This is why they seem to work in "packs".
How's that for "detective work?"
Lousy. Sounds more like a paranoid conspiracy nut to me.
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There you go blame shifting again Peter. It is not about me, Or if I agree or disagree with someone, Where do you come up with this stufF. Can you be honest and tell me how with the conversations we have had, my anger is about me haveing a disagreement wiht you. How is me having a disagreement with you or anyone slander? That is not slander, that is understanding WHAT THEY BELIEVE, and saying I do not agree.
This would be you and a few select people Peter.. And that is NOT MY ISSUE with anyone..
This has nothign to do with slander. I must ask, DO you even know what slander is? I ask, because every reason you give has nothign to do with slander, from ANYONE
No, This sin is to say EG, or GRACE777, or BEN, or Ladylynn, or anyone else believes this, when they have never stated they believe that, When nothing they have ever said would lead ANYONE to believe they DO believe that (unless they are just sticking up for you in group mentality) and they have told you countless times, WITH PROOF that they do not believe that, Then you REFUSE to admit it, Refuse to repent, and worse yet, BLAME everyone but yourself.
Ok, you can believe in Christ, and not have true faith in him in your view.
What is you distinction between the two?
Some have faith so believe God exists, but have no relationship or communion.
For me to believe in Christ, is trusting in His promises and His desire to deliver
what He has promised. My faith is knowing I am a forgiven sinner saved by
grace. I am sure you would use the same language.
What is you distinction between the two?
Some have faith so believe God exists, but have no relationship or communion.
For me to believe in Christ, is trusting in His promises and His desire to deliver
what He has promised. My faith is knowing I am a forgiven sinner saved by
grace. I am sure you would use the same language.
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