The easy way to spot a false grace message
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1. That post was about trying to bring someone who does not know Christ to Christ, Not professed believers,
2. Its ok peter. Move on.. Like I said, I will leave you alone except to show a different view if I disagree with you. And like I said, If you slander someone I will report..
You no longer need it try to defend yourself. and do not have to worry, if you do not slander anyone, I will have nothing to say..
Nope, like I already showed by multitudes of scripture when you are born again of the Spirit the old things pass away, all things are become new.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Of course, if you guys are still in Adam, then you will still be struggling with sin. If this is the case, and you have not fallen away, then you can still be born again in the future, so it's not hopeless.
2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Of course, if you guys are still in Adam, then you will still be struggling with sin. If this is the case, and you have not fallen away, then you can still be born again in the future, so it's not hopeless.
Sorry Ahwatukee. EG was criticising or I should say correcting ISIT claiming he was miss-quoting
scripture, which said commit sins rather than just sins.
This was just stupid and incorrect point, but appeared like he had caught someone lying.
So I was paying zero attention to the theology or point itself just this criticism.
I do agree with your point though, Amen. I have to add more descriptive text next time.
scripture, which said commit sins rather than just sins.
This was just stupid and incorrect point, but appeared like he had caught someone lying.
So I was paying zero attention to the theology or point itself just this criticism.
I do agree with your point though, Amen. I have to add more descriptive text next time.
The spiritual rebirth is instantaneous, but yes a fight will ensue right away after being illuminated. I also made a post on that as well here---->>>>
Some people may not understand the great spiritual battle that is, and has been ongoing for thousands of years now. But for each new individual believer and born again Christian there is a personal battle that is to be waged and won, if one is willing to fight the good fight of faith.
This battle between the mind of flesh and Spirit of God is the enmity that was shown in the very beginning, but this personal battle ground for each new believer takes place in the heart and mind after first being illuminated by the Spirit of God. It is written Hebrews 10:32 “But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;”
This battle against the saints by the Devil and his spirit is shown many times in scripture, and many of the saints were also prophesied to be overcome. Revelation 13:7 “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.” But some also would hold fast and endure unto the end, and be overcomers by the power given to them by God, and by the faith of Jesus Christ.
This spiritual battle and war that wars against the soul is mentioned several times in scripture.
Ephesians 6:12 “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Romans 7:23 “But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
James 4:1 “From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?”
1 Peter 2:11 “Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
2 Corinthians 10:3-5 “For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:[SUP]4 [/SUP](For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds)[SUP] 5 [/SUP]Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;”
When a person is born again of God’s Spirit we are empowered by God to be able to resist sin, resist the Devil, and resist the wicked ways of the world, and even to bring every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ. But this war and battle takes some effort on each believer’s part, as personal sacrifices need be made to overcome all these things.
Remember….
1 Corinthians 10:13 “There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.”
Some people may not understand the great spiritual battle that is, and has been ongoing for thousands of years now. But for each new individual believer and born again Christian there is a personal battle that is to be waged and won, if one is willing to fight the good fight of faith.
This battle between the mind of flesh and Spirit of God is the enmity that was shown in the very beginning, but this personal battle ground for each new believer takes place in the heart and mind after first being illuminated by the Spirit of God. It is written Hebrews 10:32 “But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;”
This battle against the saints by the Devil and his spirit is shown many times in scripture, and many of the saints were also prophesied to be overcome. Revelation 13:7 “And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.” But some also would hold fast and endure unto the end, and be overcomers by the power given to them by God, and by the faith of Jesus Christ.
This spiritual battle and war that wars against the soul is mentioned several times in scripture.
Ephesians 6:12 “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Romans 7:23 “But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.”
James 4:1 “From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?”
1 Peter 2:11 “Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;
2 Corinthians 10:3-5 “For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:[SUP]4 [/SUP](For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds)[SUP] 5 [/SUP]Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;”
When a person is born again of God’s Spirit we are empowered by God to be able to resist sin, resist the Devil, and resist the wicked ways of the world, and even to bring every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ. But this war and battle takes some effort on each believer’s part, as personal sacrifices need be made to overcome all these things.
Remember….
1 Corinthians 10:13 “There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.”
The Holy Spirit reproves the world of sin, does the Spirit have sin? Jesus and his disciples reproved sinners, do you think Jesus had sin in his life? And do you think the Devil and his disciples would reprove sinners so that they might be saved?
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At the end of pauls life, He said he still ran the race, Because he had not yet attained perfection.
This battle as you call it, will go on for some sins until we either deny they are sins, or wake up in heaven.
People do not mature the same, Paul called the Corinthian church babes in Christ, because they were struggling with some pretty deep sin, even allowing it in their midst..
It is dangerous to assume that just because a man has not matured when we expect them to. means they are not a child of God.
This battle as you call it, will go on for some sins until we either deny they are sins, or wake up in heaven.
People do not mature the same, Paul called the Corinthian church babes in Christ, because they were struggling with some pretty deep sin, even allowing it in their midst..
It is dangerous to assume that just because a man has not matured when we expect them to. means they are not a child of God.
Jesus came to seek that which had lost it's way, I do the same.
Jesus came to seek that which had lost it's way, I do the same.
Move on. You spent a fare section of this thread saying I had sinned and refused
to repent, a serious issue for any believer. When confronted you refused to say
what you meant, was totally obtuse, insinuating I have guilt and caused great harm.
Turns out this is your attempt to convert me, and say I am a sinner saved by grace.
So this abuse is meant to be a way of witnessing. No apology, when I asked what
the issue was between us, no reconciliation, in fact just condemnation and rejection.
Then you decide to lay into another about how to witness and encourage a disciple
to be like Christ.
This is not the behaviour of someone lead by the Holy Spirit only by someone walking
in their flesh and sin. And as such I expect nothing from you, because I know what you
are.
to repent, a serious issue for any believer. When confronted you refused to say
what you meant, was totally obtuse, insinuating I have guilt and caused great harm.
Turns out this is your attempt to convert me, and say I am a sinner saved by grace.
So this abuse is meant to be a way of witnessing. No apology, when I asked what
the issue was between us, no reconciliation, in fact just condemnation and rejection.
Then you decide to lay into another about how to witness and encourage a disciple
to be like Christ.
This is not the behaviour of someone lead by the Holy Spirit only by someone walking
in their flesh and sin. And as such I expect nothing from you, because I know what you
are.
Sorry EG, your behaviour goes ahead of you. Swearing at me declares the true state of
your heart.
By the way accusing people of sinning specifically and then producing anything is slander.
I have no clue why you even think this makes any sense.
If you tried not to put people in their place so much you would not get into so much trouble.
When you preach about sin, you need to actually no how to make contact with someone
and they understand what sinful behaviour you are talking about and what the right response
is. Talking to a believer and in effect calling them unsaved is judgemental behaviour and sinful
But hey, to you being obedient to Christ is unbelief so I need to repent of my obedience to Christ
and following His words.
This is why you are neither guided by Lord or know what you are meaning.
your heart.
By the way accusing people of sinning specifically and then producing anything is slander.
I have no clue why you even think this makes any sense.
If you tried not to put people in their place so much you would not get into so much trouble.
When you preach about sin, you need to actually no how to make contact with someone
and they understand what sinful behaviour you are talking about and what the right response
is. Talking to a believer and in effect calling them unsaved is judgemental behaviour and sinful
But hey, to you being obedient to Christ is unbelief so I need to repent of my obedience to Christ
and following His words.
This is why you are neither guided by Lord or know what you are meaning.
His doctrine belies the 2nd in your list above.......
To deny the power of Christ and the work of Christ and the Spirit on one's behalf while ADDING to the finished work of Jesus is the devil's message.....the Pharisees preached a faith/works blended self righteousness and Jesus rightfully condemned it as false, so did Paul......A gospel of a DIFFERENT kind with NO POWER to save and double cursed.........
WORKS DO NOT SAVE or KEEP SAVED........
END OF STORY!
To deny the power of Christ and the work of Christ and the Spirit on one's behalf while ADDING to the finished work of Jesus is the devil's message.....the Pharisees preached a faith/works blended self righteousness and Jesus rightfully condemned it as false, so did Paul......A gospel of a DIFFERENT kind with NO POWER to save and double cursed.........
WORKS DO NOT SAVE or KEEP SAVED........
END OF STORY!
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Peter You can not be helped if you are blind to what people are trying to tell you.
You sound like the pharisee who knows the words but not how to do them.
It is hypocritical to criticise someone who desires to walk like Christ, and then
say that is our discipleship goal.
I want to walk with God. Grace777 wants to walk with God. UTAH and CROSSNOTE and so many other people want to walk with God. Do you see me critisize them? No. Why? Because they are not slandering other people YOU ARE..
You wanted proof. Now, there you have it, And I have this post copied and saved for every time you claim I do not show you proof of your sins against others..
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