Is It Possible To Backslide
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Pleeeze read again veeeery sloooowly. & look at the bluuuue writing.....
"after we have received the knowledge of the truth" means "after receiving Christ"
Sinners never received Him.
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But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God.
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God--
But as many as received Him, He gave to them authority to be children of God--to those believing in His name,
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,[/TD]
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I woulda' thought anyone could have seen that.
"after we have received the knowledge of the truth" means "after receiving Christ"
Sinners never received Him.
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Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God--But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God.
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God--
But as many as received Him, He gave to them authority to be children of God--to those believing in His name,
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,[/TD]
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13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Context has a way of correcting the proof text. Born not of the will of the flesh.
Despite your rather forceful attempt to sway the context to suit your pretext God is way ahead of you on everything.
I'm left wondering how a hater of grace can claim to be saved?
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Pleeeze read again veeeery sloooowly. & look at the bluuuue writing.....
"after we have received the knowledge of the truth" means "after receiving Christ"
Sinners never received Him.
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But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God.
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God--
But as many as received Him, He gave to them authority to be children of God--to those believing in His name,
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,[/TD]
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I woulda' thought anyone could have seen that.
"after we have received the knowledge of the truth" means "after receiving Christ"
Sinners never received Him.
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Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God--But to all who believed him and accepted him, he gave the right to become children of God.
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God--
But as many as received Him, He gave to them authority to be children of God--to those believing in His name,
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name,[/TD]
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se what? Not everyone who RECEIVES the knowledge of truth is saved, May Jesus spoke to RECIEVED the knoweldghe. Not everyone BELIEVED.
SO see, there you go again.. EVEN TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE ON HIS NAME (john 1: 12)
Why do you HIGHLIGHT one aspect IGNORE the other?
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Of course a physical son will always be a physical son of parents (even if the parents desert the child).
But we are not physical children of the Father: we are spiritual children.
One must be careful about using earthly analogies to support one's doctrines. (unless the analogy is specifically stated in Scripture - that is - does the Bible clearly say anywhere that once a person is a spiritual son he is always a spiritual son?)
But you may believe whatever you want to: I will not be offended. Perhaps we can sharpen one another even if we disagree.
Of course a physical son will always be a physical son of parents (even if the parents desert the child).
But we are not physical children of the Father: we are spiritual children.
One must be careful about using earthly analogies to support one's doctrines. (unless the analogy is specifically stated in Scripture - that is - does the Bible clearly say anywhere that once a person is a spiritual son he is always a spiritual son?)
But you may believe whatever you want to: I will not be offended. Perhaps we can sharpen one another even if we disagree.
The simplicity found in Jesus puts it beyond the reach of the intellectually superior and those whose righteousness exceed the Pharisee and Sadducee.........Well work till Jesus comes........well work till Jesus comes.....well work till Jesus comes and then be cast out................
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.............
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.............
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Of course a physical son will always be a physical son of parents (even if the parents desert the child).
But we are not physical children of the Father: we are spiritual children.
One must be careful about using earthly analogies to support one's doctrines. (unless the analogy is specifically stated in Scripture - that is - does the Bible clearly say anywhere that once a person is a spiritual son he is always a spiritual son?)
But you may believe whatever you want to: I will not be offended. Perhaps we can sharpen one another even if we disagree.
Of course a physical son will always be a physical son of parents (even if the parents desert the child).
But we are not physical children of the Father: we are spiritual children.
One must be careful about using earthly analogies to support one's doctrines. (unless the analogy is specifically stated in Scripture - that is - does the Bible clearly say anywhere that once a person is a spiritual son he is always a spiritual son?)
But you may believe whatever you want to: I will not be offended. Perhaps we can sharpen one another even if we disagree.
Do you understand the word INCORRUPTABLE?
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I fear the church is so steeped in tradition and history and religion it has lost its way.
True precious pictures Like a seed which is incorruptible, planted in a person and will produce fruit. can somehow become corruptible and fail to do what it was intended. Just blows my mind.
He HAS PERFECTED FOREVER those bieng sanctified, Does not mean forever.
Eternal life, does not mean eternal. but in reality, conditional.
Men has destroyed Gods word by religion.
Yes, and amen! Do you mean I Peter 1:23?
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever"
The Word of God (perhaps Jesus (John 1:1) as "the Word"?) is incorruptible (not liable to corruption or decay - Vines). This is what brought about our new birth so that we can be spiritual sons of God! Praise the Lord!
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever"
The Word of God (perhaps Jesus (John 1:1) as "the Word"?) is incorruptible (not liable to corruption or decay - Vines). This is what brought about our new birth so that we can be spiritual sons of God! Praise the Lord!
Hebrews 10:26 can be a stumbling block if we don't take the context in which this passage was written.
Some times well intentioned people can take Hebrews 10:26-29 out of context with the book of Hebrews.
Obviously we need to view all scripture through the finished work of Christ. We don't take obscure verses and discount the abundance of clear scriptures on what our Lord has done for us.
Hebrews 10 is talking about Jewish people after hearing about Christ for the only sacrifice for sins and rejecting it to go back to the temple sacrifices for their sins. Hebrews was written a few years before the temple system came crashing down in 70AD when it was trampled by the Roman army.
The "willful sinning" is after hearing the "knowledge" of the truth of Christ's sacrifice - those that go back to the temple sacrifices and do not receive Christ's work by faith - this is the wilful sinning being talked about - the rejection of Christ's sacrifice and blood for the forgiveness of all sins.
There is a vast difference between receiving the "knowledge" of the truth and "receiving the truth" which is Christ Himself.
No one advocates to live in sinning - whether it is exhibiting malice and slandering others in the body of Christ or living the homosexual lifestyle. There is no difference as these are all in the same lists as works of the flesh.
Sinning brings destruction and is deceitful and distorts our view of God, others and ourselves.
The answer to sinning in the flesh is to preach and teach the grace of Christ's finished work as it is the only thing that "teaches" to deny ungodliness and to live righteously in this world.. Titus 2:11-12.
Here is a short 2 minute video which will illuminate clearly what Hebrews 10:26 is referring to as "willful sinning".
[video=youtube;yrc5EOpokSc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrc5EOpokSc[/video]
Some times well intentioned people can take Hebrews 10:26-29 out of context with the book of Hebrews.
Obviously we need to view all scripture through the finished work of Christ. We don't take obscure verses and discount the abundance of clear scriptures on what our Lord has done for us.
Hebrews 10 is talking about Jewish people after hearing about Christ for the only sacrifice for sins and rejecting it to go back to the temple sacrifices for their sins. Hebrews was written a few years before the temple system came crashing down in 70AD when it was trampled by the Roman army.
The "willful sinning" is after hearing the "knowledge" of the truth of Christ's sacrifice - those that go back to the temple sacrifices and do not receive Christ's work by faith - this is the wilful sinning being talked about - the rejection of Christ's sacrifice and blood for the forgiveness of all sins.
There is a vast difference between receiving the "knowledge" of the truth and "receiving the truth" which is Christ Himself.
No one advocates to live in sinning - whether it is exhibiting malice and slandering others in the body of Christ or living the homosexual lifestyle. There is no difference as these are all in the same lists as works of the flesh.
Sinning brings destruction and is deceitful and distorts our view of God, others and ourselves.
The answer to sinning in the flesh is to preach and teach the grace of Christ's finished work as it is the only thing that "teaches" to deny ungodliness and to live righteously in this world.. Titus 2:11-12.
Here is a short 2 minute video which will illuminate clearly what Hebrews 10:26 is referring to as "willful sinning".
[video=youtube;yrc5EOpokSc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrc5EOpokSc[/video]
What do I have to say about the other counterposts?
Nothing. Nothing needs to be said.
Some people will do anything to save face..... & that's their problem. It's not my responsibility to argue with them.
Nothing. Nothing needs to be said.
Some people will do anything to save face..... & that's their problem. It's not my responsibility to argue with them.
For the cause of Christ
Roger