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You're insisting the "enroute" map supplied by the airline pilot be applied to a flat earth map...which would then increase the already vast "flat earth" journey from Sydney to Santiago...and have the jet traveling in a HUGE semi-circle path, increasing the miles from around 12,000 to maybe 14 or 15,000 miles.
It's bad enough that the pilots needed to travel 12,000 miles in 12 hours (an impossibility). Now they need to travel 14 or 15 thousand miles in 12 hours!
So the "flat-earth cover-up" conspirators draw latitudinal and longitudinal lines on the flat earth map to help fool us into thinking "sphere"...then ALL commercial pilots dutifully cooperate in flying needless semi-circles as though they were on a globe...and all the passengers would dutifully report having experienced a 12 hour flight even though it had actually been a 25-27 hour flight? The daily semi-circle Sydney/Santiago flight would require 25-27 hours...but it's not happening. The reality is 12.5 hours.
Had a pastor friend from New Zealand visit me in California this past November. He had a flight from Sydney to Johannesburg, South Africa (wanted to visit Uganda on the way). He said that flight took about 12 hours...and sure enough, Qantas agrees (scroll down a bit). Apparently flight time can balloon to 14 hours at times, depending on conditions...but still light years away from the 23-24 hours Sydney/Johannesburg should take on a flat earth.
It's bad enough that the pilots needed to travel 12,000 miles in 12 hours (an impossibility). Now they need to travel 14 or 15 thousand miles in 12 hours!
So the "flat-earth cover-up" conspirators draw latitudinal and longitudinal lines on the flat earth map to help fool us into thinking "sphere"...then ALL commercial pilots dutifully cooperate in flying needless semi-circles as though they were on a globe...and all the passengers would dutifully report having experienced a 12 hour flight even though it had actually been a 25-27 hour flight? The daily semi-circle Sydney/Santiago flight would require 25-27 hours...but it's not happening. The reality is 12.5 hours.
Had a pastor friend from New Zealand visit me in California this past November. He had a flight from Sydney to Johannesburg, South Africa (wanted to visit Uganda on the way). He said that flight took about 12 hours...and sure enough, Qantas agrees (scroll down a bit). Apparently flight time can balloon to 14 hours at times, depending on conditions...but still light years away from the 23-24 hours Sydney/Johannesburg should take on a flat earth.
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Actually, they supposedly have an "answer" for that-- they claim the sun operates like a 'flashlight beam' and that it floats around above the 'earth disc' along the equator's path at only a few thousand miles altitude. And that 'sun-down' is really only the sun getting further and further away and "disappearing into a speck". Of course, that obviously isn't happening - once the sun is setting, it drops down below the horizon in only a few minutes and sets at full size...not as a "disappearing speck". Mama mia.
Job 38
1 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,[SUP]2 [/SUP]Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
[SUP]9 [/SUP]When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?
[SUP]24 [/SUP]By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?
[SUP]30 [/SUP]The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go and say unto thee, Here we are?
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,
[SUP]38 [/SUP]When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,
[SUP]40 [/SUP]When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.
1 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,[SUP]2 [/SUP]Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?
[SUP]9 [/SUP]When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?
[SUP]24 [/SUP]By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;
[SUP]26 [/SUP]To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?
[SUP]30 [/SUP]The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?
[SUP]35 [/SUP]Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go and say unto thee, Here we are?
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,
[SUP]38 [/SUP]When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?
[SUP]39 [/SUP]Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,
[SUP]40 [/SUP]When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.
And, you have personally definitively ascertained that these "photos" are real and not fake? Or, are you simply taking NASA's word for it, because you "just don't believe that they would lie to you"...?
Were you able to recognize features of the Earth and moon in those photographs that you believe are uniquely unmistakable?
Have you even personally definitively ascertained that they are real photographs and not CGI pictures?
( sigh )
People are so gullible...
Were you able to recognize features of the Earth and moon in those photographs that you believe are uniquely unmistakable?
Have you even personally definitively ascertained that they are real photographs and not CGI pictures?
( sigh )
People are so gullible...
It is founded on you make a proposition, think of an experiment that can deny the proposition
or show it is true within constraints. You then perform the experiment and look at the results.
Until man sent a satellite which orbited the earth at a defined height and speed it was just
theory. Once it was done it was fact. Cameras showed yes the satallite flew without obstruction
maintaining its altitude by centripetal force without resistance from space or extra power from
rockets, until the orbit decayed and it burnt up in the atmosphere.
Now people in ISS regularly go up and experience this for themselves, take photos and you can
go and interview them. They have no reason to lie or invent something other than speak the
truth. They even sell the chance to very rich people to have a go.
So this is proof, it is always worthwhile questioning such things, which is why we know they
are facts not just an idea, but if you cannot accept the evidence, then it is you who have a
psychological problem in defining the world as it is, not as you would like it to be.
Finally debunked in my mind. i was watching weather channel this morning. They was showing different types of storms, one of the things they was showing is blue jet lightning. one of the images you could see the earths curve. It caught my eye and i thought of this thread. So i went to google to look at images of blue jet lightning, and clearly in some of the images the earth is round. If someone else believes the earth is flat, it won't shake my space anymore, and they have the freewill to believe what they want.
One day you will discover just how much effort was spent to maintain an illusion and to give you every opportunity to believe it...
that would prove things one way or the other. For me GPS is it.
It works by line of sight over thousands of miles and can tell where I am on the planet,
stunning.
"at high noon"...???
"at high noon" --- where?
Watching some of the Flat Earth videos that have been posted in this thread should help you to understand it better...
"at high noon" --- where?
Watching some of the Flat Earth videos that have been posted in this thread should help you to understand it better...
a. Take a record and lay it on your table tonight
b. Take a flash light directly above the record and centered
c. Turn the lights out and turn the flash light on
d. REPEAT 100 times
e. STAND amazed all 100 times that the whole record is lit up
f. Realize 100 times that the earth is not flat
I gave you one in the OP of this thread...
Now we just need someone who is both honest and able to perform it...
Now we just need someone who is both honest and able to perform it...
It the 2nd world war radar meant enemy planes could be detected by line of sight.
But as every radar operator knows radar only works to the horizon.
So your experiment has already been run.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_horizon
So your suggestion has already been answered as is why early warning radar
was limited by the curvature of the earth and line of sight.
Granted. Bummer, huh?
Why this matters because every airport in the world, air traffic control, pilots
use this reality to fly every day round the world.
If as you propose one radar in one location could see all the planes in the air
they would, but this is simply not the case.