Don't choke the BABY! Let new Christians drink their milk before you force feed them

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Ariel82

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samuel23 said:
Growing in the Lord is demonstrated by being able to discern the true instructions of God from that which is false. At the present moment 95% of bible teachers do not even recognize that they are teaching a demonic doctrine about the return of Christ that is called the pre-trib rapture. That is not even up to the milk stage...that is drinking poison. I hear people crowing about what a great man or woman of God someone is and all this great experience they have and how they are used of God...and then they start teaching the Devils version of Christ return...I don't buy it. If they were really that connected to God then they would have recognized the witness of the Spirit that they are teaching a lie.
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Discerning good and evil is classified as meat....not milk.

Your water is salty.
 
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Ariel82 said:
No, but I am sure what God means when He tells me I need to repent.
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I'm serious. Specifically what were John the Baptist and Jesus telling the people (Jews) they needed to do when they told them then were to "repent?"
 
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I'm serious. Specifically what were John the Baptist and Jesus telling the people (Jews) they needed to do when they told them then were to "repent?"
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What do you think He was telling them?
 
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Matthew 3
Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him and were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins.
 
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Ariel82 said:
Matthew 3
Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him and were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins.
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This was nothing new for the Jews. They sometimes did the confession and sacrifice thing every month... and when there were special needs... and they were all very SURE to do it every year. That is why Baptism for the remission of sins wasn't a strange thing to them at all. BUT..... "repenting" certainly was. They saw no need to "repent". They already felt they should NOT change their minds about what would save them (that is, "repent") Now, here came these new guys telling them they had to depend upon something entirely new (repent) to save them from their sins.
 
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John told them that all he could do was the usual thing they had been doing for centuries..... baptize them in water to cover their recent sins (that was the law). But he pointed to Jesus walking by (after telling them He was coming soon), and said that THERE was the guy who was going to do this baptism thing PERMANENTLY.
 
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The other thing too was John the Baptist was the last of the Old Covenant -Law prophets. He was to prepare "the way" for the Messiah.

In order to need a savior - we need to acknowledge that we have sins. That's the reason why the Pharisees, Sadducees and the scribes of the law didn't get baptized by John.

They had no need for a Savior - they had the law of Moses and of course themselves.

( this is also one of the reasons that Jesus elevated the law to reveal the sin that was in all people - including the supposed law-keeping Pharisees )

That's why Jesus came after John saying "Repent and believe the gospel." Mark 1:15

Change your thinking to believe in the good news of the Savior and accept His work for your salvation.
 
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Willie-T said:
This was nothing new for the Jews. They sometimes did the confession and sacrifice thing every month... and when there were special needs... and they were all very SURE to do it every year. That is why Baptism for the remission of sins wasn't a strange thing to them at all. BUT..... "repenting" certainly was. They saw no need to "repent". They already felt they should NOT change their minds about what would save them (that is, "repent") Now, here came these new guys telling them they had to depend upon something entirely new (repent) to save them from their sins.
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OT prophets told them to repent too.
 
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2 Chronicles 7:14 - If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.


Ezekiel 18:21-23 - But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.


Proverbs 28:13 - He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh [them] shall have mercy.
 
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Moving the goalpost?

"That is why Baptism for the remission of sins wasn't a strange thing to them at all. BUT..... "repenting" certainly was. They saw no need to "repent".
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My point was that even in the Old testament the doctrine of repentance was taught. The Gospel was preached and people looked forward to a Savior, the Messiah who would save them.
 
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samuel23 said:
I am not making it a salvation issue because I really do not know, however this is a very critical doctrine, it is called the "blessed hope", it is what all the church is waiting for, the biggest event of the church, the actual return of Christ to gather the believers. To reject Jesus literal teaching on this subject and accept a teaching that could have only come from Satan, has to be a horrible thing in the sight of God. Millions of souls could be lost when Christ does not return pre-trib and Christians find their selves in the tribulation with the Antichrist trying to kill them...pre-trib is an end time deception from Satan designed to cause many souls to fall away.
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People teaching doctrines of demons or satan would be agents of satan, so yes, you really are saying it is a salvation issue. And then you do this again at the end of this post by saying those who believe the gathering together comes pretrib have fallen for the endtime deception. Many godly men, who show the fruit of being godly men, believe it.
 
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Ariel82 said:
2 Chronicles 7:14 - If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. Wicked lifestyles


Ezekiel 18:21-23 - But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. Change their minds from wicked lifestyles to the law


Proverbs 28:13 - He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh [them] shall have mercy Another lifestyle (way of living by covering sins) .
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Notice that there is nothing here about the crying and wailing and feeling all ashamed and miserable? We have made REPENTING into feeling bad, and being sorry. Well, any criminal who has been caught and is about to face a court feels this way.... that does NOT mean he has decided to change his mind about stealing. It just means that he will try harder not to get caught in the future.

This is all about a new mindset, not about simply being sorry you are in trouble. Use the word REPENT in any way that will help you love God more, but just do be aware of what it really meant when the Jews were asked to repent — Change their minds from trusting in the law or themselves, and trust totally in Jesus.
 
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Ariel82 said:
Moving the goalpost?
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?????????? No moving of goalposts at all. They were required to go to Jerusalem every single year to get the past year's sins wiped out. Then it started all over again... till the next year...... for their whole lives.
 
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Believing in pre-trib should not affect if we are ready for the end times------Being ready for Christ's return means being ready---period----if we are looking at pre-trib as just an escape---we probably aren't ready---Luke 21:36---we must be counted worthy to escape all these things which are coming----worthiness in the same sense the disciples were counted worthy to suffer for His name...(Acts 5:41)-------------believing in post-trib doesn't mean we're ready either----remember Peter thought he was ready---he denied the Lord-----we must fix our eyes on Christ---we are "now" entering into some heavy stuff...
 
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Please give me your exact interpretation of what you think the word, REPENT, means.
 
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I've been enjoying all the new posts since I looked at this thread last. :)
Something popped into my head as I was reading!
The need to repent from dead works - I saw it slightly differently suddenly.
The letter brings death, but it is the spirit that avails us.
So I saw...works of the letter of the law instead of works of the spirit of the law.

Don't know if that will make sense to anyone else...:)
 
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Could y'all take the tribulation talk to those threads, please?

It's likely to get into folks fight and Willie and I are trying to talk. Fighting gives me a headache.

If I wanted to talk about the rapture, I would have clicked on those threads.

Jesus is coming to judge the living and the dead. Period. For me that is enough.

I don't need to know when or how.I just trust that He will come and take me home one day. Will I be physically among the living when He does?

I don't know. Nor at this time is it important for me to know.
 
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