UN vote What does it mean

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#101
#101
The part of the mosaic covenants that is fading away was the part about the priesthood and temple sacrificial services.

It could never save anyone, So God made A NEW ONE. which saves not only jews but gentiles alike.

The promise concerning a plot of land, and lev 26, had NOTHING to do wiht the saving of one persons soul
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

Banned
#102
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,395
113
#102
KJV1611 said:
Why do you insist on DOWNING people when they don't agree with you? Is it POSSIBLE for you to debate without doing that? Very IMMATURE... I'm politely asking you to stop doing it please.
Click to expand...
Since when is it a bad thing to state that someone does not understand something..........? For example.....many politicians do not understand the plight of the people.....A nurse may not understand a cardiovascular infraction.....and to be honest...I have seen you dish it out as well in your own subtle way bro.......if I remember right you have even raked me over the coals a few times...........

Do you think the Pharisees asked Jesus to stop downing them when he called them the blind leaders of the blind, or white washed coffins filled with the bones of dead men.....?

The funny thing is...those who are mature are not easily offended...................maybe we should not directly engage each other.....I have no problem stating my ignorance of some things and am willing to mold my belief if one can prove their stance...the problem with a few people on here is they believe the word of God is based upon their OWN PRIVATE INTERPRETATION and THEY refuse to acknowledge the truth that contradicts their stance......

By the way....the above bolded....is that not the same thing you accuse me of? A little mouthy dig while DOWNING me.....there is a word for that.......I believe it is pronounced HYPOCRITE!
 
KJV1611

KJV1611

Banned
#103
Nov 23, 2013
13,684
1,212
113
#103
eternally-gratefull said:
so that means Gods promise of land no longer exists? (Abraham covenant)

The land promise was not dependent on the mosaic covanant, So it does not matter if the mosaic stopped or not.

Lev 26 is still in effect, what reason would there be to make it null and void? Does that mean God will return Israel to her land and let her live in peace when she is disobedient? and rejects her messiah? (please note. She is no living in peace now.)
Click to expand...
Galatians 3:16 KJV
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Notice the verse says PROMISES, the promises were made to Abraham and his ONE SEED Christ. No flesh descendants were eligible for those promises unless they were joint HEIRS with Christ.... in other words unless they were saved. None if the promises to Abraham were given to Abrahams flesh descendants.
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

Banned
#104
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,395
113
#104
Spurgeoncy said:
When you post so much, it means we just have to work extra hard, and reply piece by piece, trying not to let the thread go off at a tangent.




That is the Davidic Covenant, not the Abrahamic Covenant.
Click to expand...

Was David a son of Abraham?

The record of the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham:
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#105
#105
KJV1611 said:
Galatians 3:16 KJV
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Notice the verse says PROMISES, the promises were made to Abraham and his ONE SEED Christ. No flesh descendants were eligible for those promises unless they were joint HEIRS with Christ.... in other words unless they were saved. None if the promises to Abraham were given to Abrahams flesh descendants.
Click to expand...

Just so you know. I am sick of your nonsense, How many times do we have to go over this same argument? (I know we have done it multiple times in multiple threads in just these past few months), Before you finally agree to disagree, and stop this nonsense of asking the same question as if it was never answered before? or thinking that you will get a different answer?

For the rest of the room. If you have not heard this question answered before and are curious Please ask and I will respond.
 
KJV1611

KJV1611

Banned
#106
Nov 23, 2013
13,684
1,212
113
#106
eternally-gratefull said:

Just so you know. I am sick of your nonsense, How many times do we have to go over this same argument? (I know we have done it multiple times in multiple threads in just these past few months), Before you finally agree to disagree, and stop this nonsense of asking the same question as if it was never answered before? or thinking that you will get a different answer?

For the rest of the room. If you have not heard this question answered before and are curious Please ask and I will respond.
Click to expand...
Nonsense? The promises were made to Abraham and Christ dont you agree?
 
J

john832

Senior Member
#107
May 31, 2013
11,365
186
63
#107
KJV1611 said:
Nonsense? The promises were made to Abraham and Christ dont you agree?
Click to expand...
And Abraham's seed. His descendants were to inherit the promises. Two different categories: grace - salvation and race - material, physical blessings.
 
KJV1611

KJV1611

Banned
#108
Nov 23, 2013
13,684
1,212
113
#108
john832 said:
And Abraham's seed. His descendants were to inherit the promises. Two different categories: grace - salvation and race - material, physical blessings.
Click to expand...
Galatians 3:16 KJV
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

I don't get it... this verse seems very clear THE PROMISES. Where are these "grace" and "physical blessings" separated?
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#109
#109
john832 said:
And Abraham's seed. His descendants were to inherit the promises. Two different categories: grace - salvation and race - material, physical blessings.
Click to expand...
He can't seperate the two.

if ALL the promises made to abraham was only to christ, then isreal would never have inherited the land, Been punished because they sinned (why be punished when the land is not yours to begin with, it is Christs) and the church should be living in peace in the land of Israel. with the WHOLE WORLD knowing Jesus and his kingdom.

Of course if he disagrees, that's fine,, But no, He has to keep asking, as if it has never been answered before.

Thats why I said, I am done with the nonsense.
 
KJV1611

KJV1611

Banned
#110
Nov 23, 2013
13,684
1,212
113
#110
eternally-gratefull said:
He can't seperate the two.

if ALL the promises made to abraham was only to christ, then isreal would never have inherited the land, Been punished because they sinned (why be punished when the land is not yours to begin with, it is Christs) and the church should be living in peace in the land of Israel. with the WHOLE WORLD knowing Jesus and his kingdom.

Of course if he disagrees, that's fine,, But no, He has to keep asking, as if it has never been answered before.

Thats why I said, I am done with the nonsense.
Click to expand...
Israel has nothing to do with the covenant to Abraham. That was to ABRAHAM and CHRIST. Israel was under the Old Covenant - do good stay in the land, do bad get kicked out of the land.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#111
#111
KJV1611 said:
Israel has nothing to do with the covenant to Abraham. That was to ABRAHAM and CHRIST. Israel was under the Old Covenant - do good stay in the land, do bad get kicked out of the land.
Click to expand...
lol.. See, you keep trying. Your anti Israel slant is amazing. At least this is something new that I can respond too...

1. Israel was a RESULT OF ABRAHAM so it had EVERYTHING TO DO wiht Gods covenant to ABRAHAM.
2. Israel was given the land BEFORE the law of Moses was even introduced. In fact, it was given before it even had a name (neither Issac or Jacob had been born yet)
3. The law of moses, namely LEV 26, was given as conditions for living in the land, Not in ownership of the land.

It is like you give someone a gift, and you say, ok now, if you do this, you can enjoy your gift, If you do not, I will let someone else enjoy your gift, until you return to doing what I ask you, at that time, I will remember my promise to you and return that gift to you so you can again enjoy it.

(this is in a nutshell what Lev 26 says)
 
KJV1611

KJV1611

Banned
#112
Nov 23, 2013
13,684
1,212
113
#112
eternally-gratefull said:
lol.. See, you keep trying. Your anti Israel slant is amazing. At least this is something new that I can respond too...

1. Israel was a RESULT OF ABRAHAM so it had EVERYTHING TO DO wiht Gods covenant to ABRAHAM.
2. Israel was given the land BEFORE the law of Moses was even introduced. In fact, it was given before it even had a name (neither Issac or Jacob had been born yet)
3. The law of moses, namely LEV 26, was given as conditions for living in the land, Not in ownership of the land.

It is like you give someone a gift, and you say, ok now, if you do this, you can enjoy your gift, If you do not, I will let someone else enjoy your gift, until you return to doing what I ask you (this is in a nutshell what Lev 26 says)
Click to expand...
The promises to Abraham and his seed CHRIST are not passed down through the flesh descendants. Get it - The promise was to ABRAHAM (not Isaac, not Jacob) and CHRIST. This is very simple... Abraham and Christ, not Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Christ - Promises to Abraham and his SEED Christ... not Isaac and Jacob.
 
KJV1611

KJV1611

Banned
#113
Nov 23, 2013
13,684
1,212
113
#113
Leviticus 26 is the OLD COVENANT it is NOT the Abrahamic covenant. The two are not in any way shape or form the same covenants.
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

Banned
#114
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,395
113
#114
eternally-gratefull said:
lol.. See, you keep trying. Your anti Israel slant is amazing. At least this is something new that I can respond too...

1. Israel was a RESULT OF ABRAHAM so it had EVERYTHING TO DO wiht Gods covenant to ABRAHAM.
2. Israel was given the land BEFORE the law of Moses was even introduced. In fact, it was given before it even had a name (neither Issac or Jacob had been born yet)
3. The law of moses, namely LEV 26, was given as conditions for living in the land, Not in ownership of the land.

It is like you give someone a gift, and you say, ok now, if you do this, you can enjoy your gift, If you do not, I will let someone else enjoy your gift, until you return to doing what I ask you, at that time, I will remember my promise to you and return that gift to you so you can again enjoy it.

(this is in a nutshell what Lev 26 says)
Click to expand...

It blows my mind.......how many deny this.....Unto Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Jacob's children, Joshua.......the promise of the eternal inheritance from the Mediterranean to the Euphrates and from Northern Israel all the way into the Arabian peninsula and over to Egypt.........and Ezekiel and dry bones standing with no life and Revelation and the city being taken and the remnant being preserved...the remnant repopulating the waste cities and and and and and and anda ndand ==jdjsdskdsldskdjkwkfjwjfjfa <---The foolishness of their redundancy (in stance against the truth)
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

Banned
#115
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,395
113
#115
eternally-gratefull said:
The part of the mosaic covenants that is fading away was the part about the priesthood and temple sacrificial services.

It could never save anyone, So God made A NEW ONE. which saves not only jews but gentiles alike.

The promise concerning a plot of land, and lev 26, had NOTHING to do wiht the saving of one persons soul
Click to expand...
Another example of the "all knowing" rejecting verbiage.......


New Living Translation
I am giving all this land, as far as you can see, to you and your descendants as a permanent possession.

English Standard Version
for all the land that you see I will give to you and to your offspring forever.

New American Standard Bible
for all the land which you see, I will give it to you and to your descendants forever.

King James Bible
For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
for I will give you and your offspring forever all the land that you see.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#116
#116
KJV1611 said:
The promises to Abraham and his seed CHRIST are not passed down through the flesh descendants. Get it - The promise was to ABRAHAM (not Isaac, not Jacob) and CHRIST. This is very simple... Abraham and Christ, not Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Christ - Promises to Abraham and his SEED Christ... not Isaac and Jacob.
Click to expand...
sorry, But, land promise is passed from seed to seed.

Eternal, and spiritual promises, you are right, but we are not talking about them.

If you do not get this, that is fine, we can move on,

But please. Stop trying to say your right and everyone else is wrong, For once show enough humility to say you just disagree.. and NOT that we have not answered your question.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#117
#117
KJV1611 said:
Leviticus 26 is the OLD COVENANT it is NOT the Abrahamic covenant. The two are not in any way shape or form the same covenants.
Click to expand...

never said they were

One gave it to them as an eternal gift.

the other was requirements for them to be able to USE that gift.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
#118
#118
eternally-gratefull said:

never said they were

One gave it to them as an eternal gift.

the other was requirements for them to be able to USE that gift.
Click to expand...

by the way,, One (mosaic) does not CANCEL out the other (abrahamic)
 
dcontroversal

dcontroversal

Banned
#119
Dec 12, 2013
46,515
20,395
113
#119
eternally-gratefull said:
sorry, But, land promise is passed from seed to seed.

Eternal, and spiritual promises, you are right, but we are not talking about them.

If you do not get this, that is fine, we can move on,

But please. Stop trying to say your right and everyone else is wrong, For once show enough humility to say you just disagree.. and NOT that we have not answered your question.
Click to expand...

God must not remember having Joshua and Caleb divide the land by inheritance.....meeting it out.......it belongs to Gentiles we will take it because it does not belong to Israel.....we can rent the throne of David for a 1000 years to the Lion of JUDAH.....he is unaware that the land does not belong to HIM.......the Prophecies concerning Israel and the land have all been fabricated by the writers of the bible in a 4500 year conspiracy......!
 
You must log in or register to reply here.