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Cain is the example of human good and religion.
I will do it my way, Take MY work, MY deeds, the fruit of MY labor, and give it to God
God rejected it.. like he does all human good.. It is GODS work, or the work of the animal that gave its life (as shown in Abel's sacrifice) that God will accept.. and thatis representative of Christ. the lamb of God
I will do it my way, Take MY work, MY deeds, the fruit of MY labor, and give it to God
God rejected it.. like he does all human good.. It is GODS work, or the work of the animal that gave its life (as shown in Abel's sacrifice) that God will accept.. and thatis representative of Christ. the lamb of God
Absolutely......it is amazing how deceptive it is to say that Jesus is not enough.....it is not any different than the serpent in the garden adding one word to change the whole truth.......
The "workers for"--->You mean to tell me all you have to do to be saved is believe?.......YEP it is that simple...............
The "workers for"--->You mean to tell me all you have to do to be saved is believe?.......YEP it is that simple...............
On a christian evangelical website that is commited to salvation in Christ through faith,
repeating good words are not why we are saved, seems a little redundant.
I wonder if you mean something different than anyone else, so you think everyone
is blind to the truth, that we just need to accept Christ, and carry on as we are.
Does this mean I can love the world and all that is within it, and ignore the law
of Christ, sin and rebellion and God will be pleased with me because He only sees
Christ?
If I cannot do these things, then are we not agreeing there is a condition on
following Christ, called discipleship?
repeating good words are not why we are saved, seems a little redundant.
I wonder if you mean something different than anyone else, so you think everyone
is blind to the truth, that we just need to accept Christ, and carry on as we are.
Does this mean I can love the world and all that is within it, and ignore the law
of Christ, sin and rebellion and God will be pleased with me because He only sees
Christ?
If I cannot do these things, then are we not agreeing there is a condition on
following Christ, called discipleship?
One thing I noticed about you is that you speak many words yet rarely quote scripture.....the bible is clear.....God saves those that BELIEVE....and then WORKS through them.......even creation proves a birth, period of growth and then the bearing of fruit.....
What part of the follow is so hard for you to understand...
NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which we have done, but ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HAS HE SAVED US (PAST TENSE)
Is it that difficult to understand that works DO NOT save and or KEEP SAVED.......
IT pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE!
You did not answer my question. I know very well what obedience and good works are
and their merit before God. I also know what salvation is.
I was asking about love of the world and things in the world.
Is it ok to continue in these things after you are saved?
Now you are a believer, and surely you know the scriptures on this subject.
So I am testing you, do you really know the King or just a formula you have
learnt, but the word of spirit and truth you cannot look into?
Now I do not mean this is a bad way, but you continually say things that are
not true and distort positions, and do not recognise my obvious faith in Christ
and His work. So it makes me wonder why and why you dislike me so?
and their merit before God. I also know what salvation is.
I was asking about love of the world and things in the world.
Is it ok to continue in these things after you are saved?
Now you are a believer, and surely you know the scriptures on this subject.
So I am testing you, do you really know the King or just a formula you have
learnt, but the word of spirit and truth you cannot look into?
Now I do not mean this is a bad way, but you continually say things that are
not true and distort positions, and do not recognise my obvious faith in Christ
and His work. So it makes me wonder why and why you dislike me so?
You wrongfully assume that because I believe what I believe that I also love the world and the things that are in the world...NOT LOVING the world nor the things in the world has no bearing on being saved by faith which COMES FIRST.....
Learning to be obedient to the word, loving God and dissociating one's self from the world is a process of GROWTH and SANCTIFICATION.....
The word of GOD teaches to BE IN THE world but not OF THE WORLD.........and lest YOU FORGET.....MANY will have works of WOOD, HAY and STUBBLE which will be burnt to a crisp, but they themselves will be saved yet so as by fire and SOME who are saved are cut loose for the destruction of the flesh yet the SPIRIT is still saved in the day of CHRIST!
Learning to be obedient to the word, loving God and dissociating one's self from the world is a process of GROWTH and SANCTIFICATION.....
The word of GOD teaches to BE IN THE world but not OF THE WORLD.........and lest YOU FORGET.....MANY will have works of WOOD, HAY and STUBBLE which will be burnt to a crisp, but they themselves will be saved yet so as by fire and SOME who are saved are cut loose for the destruction of the flesh yet the SPIRIT is still saved in the day of CHRIST!
My friend, I do not know what you believe and assume nothing. I was asking a
simple question about being in the world and loving things of it.
It is a challenge to me as much as to you. I have a house, kids, wealth to a degree,
ambition to deliver things that will reward me financially, so where is my treasure?
I will talk of commitment to Jesus, yet I can spend a long time doing much that is
of this world and not on the heavenlies.
Do not get me wrong. I explore ideas from both sides of the argument, and try
to see how things hang together. Certainly we are imbedded in existance, in food
and shelter creation, in justice, in help and service, yet we follow our ways and
not the ways of the world. So the discussion is not obvious.
If a preacher says consumerism, covetousness of wealth, status, ease, domination,
are all good things we should enjoy, I have a lot of problems straight away.
If righteousness is painted like a curse, and being humble, caring, loving people
is being exploited, I wonder what God they are serving. If to talk about love is
religion, and power is heavenly, this is not the Kingdom of light.
So call me jaded, but some very dubious characters who talk about being in the
light yet call all the above of the Lord, I wonder who are my brothers and sisters.
Some speak of true realisation of the power of Christ love at work in them to transform
them and see this in some preachers who I would call heretics. But we are all on our path,
and many loving caring people see only what they want to see, and in context that can be
a blessing. So I say amen to your description, and I hope you can understand me a little
better.
simple question about being in the world and loving things of it.
It is a challenge to me as much as to you. I have a house, kids, wealth to a degree,
ambition to deliver things that will reward me financially, so where is my treasure?
I will talk of commitment to Jesus, yet I can spend a long time doing much that is
of this world and not on the heavenlies.
Do not get me wrong. I explore ideas from both sides of the argument, and try
to see how things hang together. Certainly we are imbedded in existance, in food
and shelter creation, in justice, in help and service, yet we follow our ways and
not the ways of the world. So the discussion is not obvious.
If a preacher says consumerism, covetousness of wealth, status, ease, domination,
are all good things we should enjoy, I have a lot of problems straight away.
If righteousness is painted like a curse, and being humble, caring, loving people
is being exploited, I wonder what God they are serving. If to talk about love is
religion, and power is heavenly, this is not the Kingdom of light.
So call me jaded, but some very dubious characters who talk about being in the
light yet call all the above of the Lord, I wonder who are my brothers and sisters.
Some speak of true realisation of the power of Christ love at work in them to transform
them and see this in some preachers who I would call heretics. But we are all on our path,
and many loving caring people see only what they want to see, and in context that can be
a blessing. So I say amen to your description, and I hope you can understand me a little
better.
If we are the BODY of Christ then we are led by the SPIRIT and do every good works accdg to the WILL OF GOD, for nature tells us that the head controls the body, now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.(1cor 11:3)
For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.(eph 2:10)
I believe that we need faith in the first place and there’s no question about it, but my point is just as faith without works is dead so is works without faith is dead as well. Israel’s righteousness is based on their works of the law and boasted about it and at the same time disobeyed it. God thru their(Israelites) disobedience showed mercy to the Gentiles and produced a righteousness that is by faith. Israel failed “for all have sinned & fell short of the glory of God”(rom 3:23) so accdg to God’s plan He made one man from the two( jews & gentiles) Ephesians 2:14-16 says: For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.
Romans 11:17-22 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
Even before we could have faith God already loved us & created us accdg to His own image of holiness & righteousness until the DISOBEDIENCE that separated us from Him & His love. God our Savior wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth(1tim 2:4) so He sent His Son that we may receive His love again thru faith(rom 5:5)He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.(gal 3:14)
So again what is important is faith seen thru works of love(gal 5:6) and our God is alive and continues His WORK OF LOVE in us( His body that does HIS WORKS)(john 14:12-13)
For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.(eph 2:10)
I believe that we need faith in the first place and there’s no question about it, but my point is just as faith without works is dead so is works without faith is dead as well. Israel’s righteousness is based on their works of the law and boasted about it and at the same time disobeyed it. God thru their(Israelites) disobedience showed mercy to the Gentiles and produced a righteousness that is by faith. Israel failed “for all have sinned & fell short of the glory of God”(rom 3:23) so accdg to God’s plan He made one man from the two( jews & gentiles) Ephesians 2:14-16 says: For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.
Romans 11:17-22 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.
Even before we could have faith God already loved us & created us accdg to His own image of holiness & righteousness until the DISOBEDIENCE that separated us from Him & His love. God our Savior wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth(1tim 2:4) so He sent His Son that we may receive His love again thru faith(rom 5:5)He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.(gal 3:14)
So again what is important is faith seen thru works of love(gal 5:6) and our God is alive and continues His WORK OF LOVE in us( His body that does HIS WORKS)(john 14:12-13)
i don't get it, sorry, you say something that i do not understand, and then i ask you about something that you said, and then you say it is my premise. How so? If i am merely asking for you to explain something that you said? How is that my premise? Seriously i don't understand what you are saying here. Either you know what you said and can explain it, or you don't know what you said, and can't explain it and respond as you did here.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
i don't get it, sorry, you say something that i do not understand, and then i ask you about something that you said, and then you say it is my premise. How so? If i am merely asking for you to explain something that you said? How is that my premise? Seriously i don't understand what you are saying here. Either you know what you said and can explain it, or you don't know what you said, and can't explain it and respond as you did here.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
So should i believe you that teach we can't be blameless, or believe Scriptures that teach we can be blameless? You judge.
Luk_1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
1Co_1:8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Php_2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
Php_3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Ti_3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti_3:10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
1Ti_5:7 And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless.
Tit_1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
Tit_1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
2Pe_3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of Him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
So, should i believe you which teach that we can't be blameless or believe the Word of God which teaches we can be blameless?
And if you can show Scriptures that teach that, i will believe you on that matter. But as for me, i will continue to believe all the Scriptures which teach "Go and sin no more" or "Awake to righteousness and sin not" or "get rid of the sin that so easily besets you" or "shall we continue to sin? God Forbid" or "Those who sin are of the devil"
True we have a sin nature, that is why we look to Jesus Christ for His Strength and Power to overcome every temptation that comes upon us. All flesh desires to sin, flesh is evil and wicked, and corrupt, and is earthy. Just because our flesh is weak and pathetic, does not give us license to continue to live in sins. When we are tempted we are suppose to look to Jesus Christ for help, we are suppose to go into prayer, we are suppose to pick up the Bible and start reading it, we are suppose to call a another Christian for help and advice in times of our weakness. NO not this generation, this generation would rather deny Christ and all His help, and just commit the sin that they WANT to do anyways. For who willingly and knowingly commits a sin that they do not want to do? They want to commit that sin, and therefore do not seek help from Jesus Christ.
This generation would do well to remember that every single time you are tempted to commit a sin, Jesus does two things. First off it is NOT so strong of a temptation that you can't handle it, and also with every single temptation, Jesus has a path out of it laid down for you. YOU CHOOSE not to take it.
1Co_10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
So just remember, there is NO SIN that you do that you can't possibly cease from, the question then is, WHY are you not ceasing from them? Where is your heart at? How is that sin, not darkness?
i do all things to please Jesus Christ. i do not obey His enemy the devil, in NOTHING at all. i hate sin, i abhor sin. Sin is the reason my Lord had to be beaten and killed. i will not obey His enemy the devil when he tempts me to commit sin against Jesus Christ. All sin is against Jesus Christ. i am not saying as most like to believe, that i have no sin. i HAVE sinned plenty, and i will never be able to say "i have no sin" i have sinned plenty, probably more than all who will read this post combined over a years time period. i have sinned plenty. But i no longer willingly or knowingly commit any sin NOW. How? i could not do it without Jesus Christ. When i am tempted to commit a sin, i look to Him for help, for His Strength, for His Power against satan. i always remember Scriptures too, your Master is to whom you obey. Therefore when satan tempts me to commit sin, i remember that verse, and i know that if i obey satan and do that which is sinful, then according to Scriptures he has become my master. Therefore, knowing that, i do not obey satan, and instead plead to Christ in prayer to help me, satan is attacking me.
This generation loves to sin, and they will not cease from it, and worse yet they believe they can't cease from them, which the Holy Inspired by God Scriptures calls them "Cursed Children"
2Pe_2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
i witness that it is possible, but only through Jesus Christ. i do not deny His Strength and Power when satan comes to tempt me to do something that my flesh WANTS to do. i have been celibate for over 10 years now, you don't think satan hasn't tried to throw women at me? He can try all he wants, he will NEVER be stronger than the Lord Jesus, which i serve every waking moment of every single day.
What i teach is meat. And most in this generation LOVES milk. And because i teach meat, because i teach the narrow and difficult path that leads to life everlasting, they will spew out what i teach, and they will attack me personally. They will not be able to use Scriptures against me, because nothing i teach is contrary to Scriptures, therefore they will attack me personally, falsely accusing me of things that i have not said, and many other things they will do against me, because the Truth is NOT in them, even though they yell as loud as they can, that they do have the TRUTH.
Those who hear me, do not hear me, but Him who told me these things.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Luk_1:6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.
1Co_1:8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Php_2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
Php_3:6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
1Th_5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Ti_3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
1Ti_3:10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
1Ti_5:7 And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless.
Tit_1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
Tit_1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
2Pe_3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of Him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
So, should i believe you which teach that we can't be blameless or believe the Word of God which teaches we can be blameless?
And if you can show Scriptures that teach that, i will believe you on that matter. But as for me, i will continue to believe all the Scriptures which teach "Go and sin no more" or "Awake to righteousness and sin not" or "get rid of the sin that so easily besets you" or "shall we continue to sin? God Forbid" or "Those who sin are of the devil"
True we have a sin nature, that is why we look to Jesus Christ for His Strength and Power to overcome every temptation that comes upon us. All flesh desires to sin, flesh is evil and wicked, and corrupt, and is earthy. Just because our flesh is weak and pathetic, does not give us license to continue to live in sins. When we are tempted we are suppose to look to Jesus Christ for help, we are suppose to go into prayer, we are suppose to pick up the Bible and start reading it, we are suppose to call a another Christian for help and advice in times of our weakness. NO not this generation, this generation would rather deny Christ and all His help, and just commit the sin that they WANT to do anyways. For who willingly and knowingly commits a sin that they do not want to do? They want to commit that sin, and therefore do not seek help from Jesus Christ.
This generation would do well to remember that every single time you are tempted to commit a sin, Jesus does two things. First off it is NOT so strong of a temptation that you can't handle it, and also with every single temptation, Jesus has a path out of it laid down for you. YOU CHOOSE not to take it.
1Co_10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
So just remember, there is NO SIN that you do that you can't possibly cease from, the question then is, WHY are you not ceasing from them? Where is your heart at? How is that sin, not darkness?
i do all things to please Jesus Christ. i do not obey His enemy the devil, in NOTHING at all. i hate sin, i abhor sin. Sin is the reason my Lord had to be beaten and killed. i will not obey His enemy the devil when he tempts me to commit sin against Jesus Christ. All sin is against Jesus Christ. i am not saying as most like to believe, that i have no sin. i HAVE sinned plenty, and i will never be able to say "i have no sin" i have sinned plenty, probably more than all who will read this post combined over a years time period. i have sinned plenty. But i no longer willingly or knowingly commit any sin NOW. How? i could not do it without Jesus Christ. When i am tempted to commit a sin, i look to Him for help, for His Strength, for His Power against satan. i always remember Scriptures too, your Master is to whom you obey. Therefore when satan tempts me to commit sin, i remember that verse, and i know that if i obey satan and do that which is sinful, then according to Scriptures he has become my master. Therefore, knowing that, i do not obey satan, and instead plead to Christ in prayer to help me, satan is attacking me.
This generation loves to sin, and they will not cease from it, and worse yet they believe they can't cease from them, which the Holy Inspired by God Scriptures calls them "Cursed Children"
2Pe_2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
i witness that it is possible, but only through Jesus Christ. i do not deny His Strength and Power when satan comes to tempt me to do something that my flesh WANTS to do. i have been celibate for over 10 years now, you don't think satan hasn't tried to throw women at me? He can try all he wants, he will NEVER be stronger than the Lord Jesus, which i serve every waking moment of every single day.
What i teach is meat. And most in this generation LOVES milk. And because i teach meat, because i teach the narrow and difficult path that leads to life everlasting, they will spew out what i teach, and they will attack me personally. They will not be able to use Scriptures against me, because nothing i teach is contrary to Scriptures, therefore they will attack me personally, falsely accusing me of things that i have not said, and many other things they will do against me, because the Truth is NOT in them, even though they yell as loud as they can, that they do have the TRUTH.
Those who hear me, do not hear me, but Him who told me these things.
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Anyone who thinks they are all that and a bag of chips are not right with God.
But if someone claims to be Righteous because of the Strength and Power of Jesus Christ to help them walk as Jesus walked, and they testify that they do that, so that others may realize that it is possible, and it helps one out of two hundred thousand people to stop obeying satan, then it is worth people thinking that that person thinks he is all that and a bag of chips.
me personally, i do all things to please Jesus Christ, Do i think i am all that and a bag of chips? God forbid. But does that stop people from thinking in their own minds that is what think? No, not this generation.
All credit goes to Jesus Christ, because EVERY time i am tempted to commit sin, it is Jesus who gives me His Strength and Power to overcome every temptation that comes upon me. So the credit is all His, not mine. i do not think i am anything at all, but one thing that i do, do. Is seek Him when i am tempted to commit sin. This is something that this generation is in dire need of doing when they are tempted to do something they KNOW full well is sinful and against God, but choose to do it anyways for some reason. They have not learned to HATE sinning.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
But if someone claims to be Righteous because of the Strength and Power of Jesus Christ to help them walk as Jesus walked, and they testify that they do that, so that others may realize that it is possible, and it helps one out of two hundred thousand people to stop obeying satan, then it is worth people thinking that that person thinks he is all that and a bag of chips.
me personally, i do all things to please Jesus Christ, Do i think i am all that and a bag of chips? God forbid. But does that stop people from thinking in their own minds that is what think? No, not this generation.
All credit goes to Jesus Christ, because EVERY time i am tempted to commit sin, it is Jesus who gives me His Strength and Power to overcome every temptation that comes upon me. So the credit is all His, not mine. i do not think i am anything at all, but one thing that i do, do. Is seek Him when i am tempted to commit sin. This is something that this generation is in dire need of doing when they are tempted to do something they KNOW full well is sinful and against God, but choose to do it anyways for some reason. They have not learned to HATE sinning.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Brother, the FAITH-ONLY based believers will reject any teaching that teaches "Faith and Works" go hand in hand, even rejecting the very Scriptures that teaches that.
Getting Saved, only requires Faith and that is it.
Being Saved, requires us to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, which IS Works.
But like i said, the FAITH-ONLY based believers, will reject any teaching that includes any works. period. Blind they are, and the ditch is their destination. And no matter how you try to tell them, they are heading to a ditch, they will not listen to you or anyone who tries to teach them something different from what they believe is the TRUTH.
This will open the eyes to everyone what is a false doctrine, a false belief, a false truth. And it is this:
If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures, then what you believe is WRONG.
If this generation would only grasp that, then they would be able to see and understand the Truth, but as long as they hold on to a belief or a truth, that has a verse in Scriptures that contradicts that belief or truth, they will NEVER come to the TRUTH of God. And that is most sad indeed.
If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures, then what you believe is WRONG.
If this generation were to believe that, they would have to probably get rid of 75% of everything that they thought was the Truth. The Word of God is TRUTH, if what you believe contradicts a single verse, then you believe a LIE and not the TRUTH.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Getting Saved, only requires Faith and that is it.
Being Saved, requires us to LOVE ONE ANOTHER, which IS Works.
But like i said, the FAITH-ONLY based believers, will reject any teaching that includes any works. period. Blind they are, and the ditch is their destination. And no matter how you try to tell them, they are heading to a ditch, they will not listen to you or anyone who tries to teach them something different from what they believe is the TRUTH.
This will open the eyes to everyone what is a false doctrine, a false belief, a false truth. And it is this:
If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures, then what you believe is WRONG.
If this generation would only grasp that, then they would be able to see and understand the Truth, but as long as they hold on to a belief or a truth, that has a verse in Scriptures that contradicts that belief or truth, they will NEVER come to the TRUTH of God. And that is most sad indeed.
If what you believe contradicts even one verse in Scriptures, then what you believe is WRONG.
If this generation were to believe that, they would have to probably get rid of 75% of everything that they thought was the Truth. The Word of God is TRUTH, if what you believe contradicts a single verse, then you believe a LIE and not the TRUTH.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
I only quoted the first line...why....because it is a blatant lie and proves that you do not listen and or read what is written.
How can you keep your salvation when MISREPRESENT the TRUTH so much pal.....?
I have not seen ONE who believes the BIBLICAL stance on salvation reject that WORKS are a RESULT of salvation one already POSSESES by FAITH.....and EVEN creation PROVES that stance........
FAITH plus WORKS for salvation is a lie from hell that has NO power to save...submit to GALATIANS 1, 3 pal.
FAITH ALONE saves...end of story
IT pleased GOD by the foolishness of preaching to SAVE them that BELIEVE...end of story
and WE have ALL said that the works are the RESULT of salvation and JESUS IN YOU.....NOW to the creation part that proves your error....
A apple tree SPROUTS from SEED and is ALIVE as an apple tree....and AFTER a few years of GROWTH and MATURITY produce fruit ........go learn that lesson and quit lying so much and misrepresenting the truth of what is actually said.....by your own doctrine you prove that you are not saved and or have lost it a million times.....
I have never seen one so full of themselves and one that misrepresents the truth of what is actually said as much as you do........OH that's right...your a prophet and GOD speaks directly to you and will reference you by your CC chat name on the day of judgment to condemn all of us who believe we are saved completely by JESUS and his finished work.....I keep forgetting that!
How can you keep your salvation when MISREPRESENT the TRUTH so much pal.....?
I have not seen ONE who believes the BIBLICAL stance on salvation reject that WORKS are a RESULT of salvation one already POSSESES by FAITH.....and EVEN creation PROVES that stance........
FAITH plus WORKS for salvation is a lie from hell that has NO power to save...submit to GALATIANS 1, 3 pal.
FAITH ALONE saves...end of story
IT pleased GOD by the foolishness of preaching to SAVE them that BELIEVE...end of story
and WE have ALL said that the works are the RESULT of salvation and JESUS IN YOU.....NOW to the creation part that proves your error....
A apple tree SPROUTS from SEED and is ALIVE as an apple tree....and AFTER a few years of GROWTH and MATURITY produce fruit ........go learn that lesson and quit lying so much and misrepresenting the truth of what is actually said.....by your own doctrine you prove that you are not saved and or have lost it a million times.....
I have never seen one so full of themselves and one that misrepresents the truth of what is actually said as much as you do........OH that's right...your a prophet and GOD speaks directly to you and will reference you by your CC chat name on the day of judgment to condemn all of us who believe we are saved completely by JESUS and his finished work.....I keep forgetting that!
I have read your beliefs and your website. You believe in recarnation of the spirit into an earthly Body as so do i.
You have allready pointed out on your website that where there is less chance of temptation such as a person who lives in a country house in the middle of nowhere he is less like to commit sin.
This statement is untrue as where there are less people to witness there is more of an oppertunity to get away with sin and less of an oppertunity to seek help or to be reminded of Goodness such as walking around the corner and seeing a church to remind you of what you are doing is wrong.
Reincarnation of the spirit you point out that John the baptist wasnt aware that he was Elias and you quote this verse for your belief in recarnation of the spirit
Matthew 17:10: And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? 11: And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. 12: But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. 13: Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.
So now you believe that this generation and this life is the last there will be no more chances no more recarnation of the spirit ? in other words what your saying is we all undergoe temptation and every test untill we get it right,, whether it is in this life time or the next but this is the last chance we will get.
There are many possabilities that would suggest this statement is false as what would be the point to reincarnation in the first point if theres not going to be a nother chance ?
Secondly how can temptation of a child be a last chance for the child since the bible makes reference that a child has no aacountability.
Deuteronomy 1:39
39 And the little ones that you said would be taken captive,l your children who do not yet knowm good from bad—they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possession of it.
Isaiah 7:15
15 He will be eating curdsk and honeyl when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right,
Further more to this and by no means fair since mankind began Satan has been tempting mankind and if you take satan out of the equasion would there be as much badness in the world ?
so is satan here for a purpose to test everyone in every situation to see if they can commit sin or is it choice we make or is it something that would not have happend had we not been tested in the first place.
Further more how can mentally ill people be held responsable and how can children who have been drugged up be held responsable ? and when i say drugged up i mean spiked like had there food spiked and then had voices put in there head by someone wanting them to commit sin.
So how can that be a last chance and for me theres more to it than what you have worked out dave all tho some of what you say may be true such a s reincarnation.
Further more dave for the last 2000 years which is more than a generation the laws and statutes have been written on our hearts and minds so how that be a last chance since 2000 makes up more than a generation
You have allready pointed out on your website that where there is less chance of temptation such as a person who lives in a country house in the middle of nowhere he is less like to commit sin.
This statement is untrue as where there are less people to witness there is more of an oppertunity to get away with sin and less of an oppertunity to seek help or to be reminded of Goodness such as walking around the corner and seeing a church to remind you of what you are doing is wrong.
Reincarnation of the spirit you point out that John the baptist wasnt aware that he was Elias and you quote this verse for your belief in recarnation of the spirit
Matthew 17:10: And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? 11: And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things. 12: But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. 13: Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.
So now you believe that this generation and this life is the last there will be no more chances no more recarnation of the spirit ? in other words what your saying is we all undergoe temptation and every test untill we get it right,, whether it is in this life time or the next but this is the last chance we will get.
There are many possabilities that would suggest this statement is false as what would be the point to reincarnation in the first point if theres not going to be a nother chance ?
Secondly how can temptation of a child be a last chance for the child since the bible makes reference that a child has no aacountability.
Deuteronomy 1:39
39 And the little ones that you said would be taken captive,l your children who do not yet knowm good from bad—they will enter the land. I will give it to them and they will take possession of it.
Isaiah 7:15
15 He will be eating curdsk and honeyl when he knows enough to reject the wrong and choose the right,
Further more to this and by no means fair since mankind began Satan has been tempting mankind and if you take satan out of the equasion would there be as much badness in the world ?
so is satan here for a purpose to test everyone in every situation to see if they can commit sin or is it choice we make or is it something that would not have happend had we not been tested in the first place.
Further more how can mentally ill people be held responsable and how can children who have been drugged up be held responsable ? and when i say drugged up i mean spiked like had there food spiked and then had voices put in there head by someone wanting them to commit sin.
So how can that be a last chance and for me theres more to it than what you have worked out dave all tho some of what you say may be true such a s reincarnation.
Further more dave for the last 2000 years which is more than a generation the laws and statutes have been written on our hearts and minds so how that be a last chance since 2000 makes up more than a generation
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I see since I left, you were hammered by workers.
I wish just once they would put proof of accusations they make. Their strawman argument that we do not teach that works and faith do nto go hand in hand, WHO SAYS THAT STUFF!!??
Crazy man, I tell you, Crazy, the hearts are hard (strengthened) and it is hard to break through. We must pray God does before it is too late.
I see that you like being right which isnt such a bad thing if what your being right about is true but since we dont even know how The earth was created other than God created it but how he created it still is a mystery than how can you possibly know every statement to be true since you are not all knowing and i am not all knowing, But one thing i do know is its not whats under the hood thats important it how you stand by your hood