Disciplines of Eternal Life

[Stephen63]

gb9 - It does not help your cause to simply lie continually about what I am saying.

How is it you have no integrity? I seek merely for the truth and how scripture and
church history have worked out.



So I know who you are, so feel free to rail against me and what I am saying, because it will not
stop the gospel or Christ or His Kingdom. But God bless you, and may you find His truth that sets
you free from the bondage you are living under.

When the Bible tells us to expose those that teach the false doctrine, I believe we should expose their deceit & their lying. A couple of weeks back, 3 or 4 people misquoted & misinterpreted my posts. So what did I do? I posted my quote, posted their deceit & lies, & called them out as a deceiver & liar.

What did they do about it? Nothing. They were proven liars, so it wasn't name calling.

Liars & deceivers are are intentional sinners, not children of God. Those that act like Satan are his followers.

It's about time the rest of the people know who these deceivers & liars are.

 

[blessedjohn80]

I am sad today, because I discovered the doctrine of imputed righteousness is a
reformation invention.

It makes me sad because so many have automatically assumed this idea without
asking why?

RCC tackles the world by use of dedication so monks, nuns, priests.
Ascetism is their root to taming the flesh, but is doomed to failure.

So if sexual desire is our nemesis, is there a solution? The Holy Spirit, and
an open heart.

It is obvious from the early church fathers writings, they believed walking in
obedience to Christ was part of following and living a Holy life. So they support
the whole obedience road leading to victory, rather than the live as you are
but faith is enough.

Paul preaching about his message:-

To the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds in keeping with their repentance.
Acts 26:20

The key point here in repentance is "turn to God." People should then ask what does God want? He points us to Jesus. And what does Jesus represent? He is our sacrifice for our sins. What then gives us the right to have eternal life? It is the blood of our Lord Jesus.

We can't attain eternal life through our works, but only through the blood of Christ.
"In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace"-Ephesians 1:7

Plus our salvation is guaranteed by the Holy Spirit in us.
"In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit"-Ephesians 1:13

Praise God for His grace and mercy on us all.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Yes, I think the commandments aren't as difficult to follow as a lot of people think.

Yes,I agree If you are talking about the two commandments,love GOD and love your neighbor.
We love because GOD first loved us.

JESUS Is the vine and we are the branches.

 

[PeterJens]

PeterJens
What is doctrine of imputed righteousness.

Imputed righteousness says when God looks at us, He only sees Christ and His righteousness.
In this view, no matter how you behave, God deems you as righteous.
Now along with this goes the principle that once you have faith, all your sin is forgiven, because
nothing you do is ever regarded.

The problem with this theory, is then why would christians be convicted of sin, and as Paul
says to the corinthians to repent and stop commiting it.

It is true, that when you come to faith your sins are washed away and you are counted as
righteous, clean, pure. If everytime you stumbled your relationship with God left, that would
create this idea of going in and out of salvation.

Paul lays out strongly our faith is reconned as righteousness, despite our behaviour. Though we
can walk righteously it is not regarded as acceptable without faith. So in the case of stumbling,
this does not break the relationship or salvation unless we loose our faith.

So David though he sinned with Bathsheba, he repented of his sin when confronted, and was
restored to fellowship.

Peter likewise denied Christ but his faith stayed strong and was later restored.
Judas who had no faith, fell away, and was lost.

Now this is important because it is how we walk, and why we walk as we do.
You will read from proponents of imputed righteousness that they are the true believers
and we are trying to earn our salvation. But that is merely their interpretation and not
related to the facts.

 

[Lawrene]

The key point here in repentance is "turn to God." People should then ask what does God want? He points us to Jesus. And what does Jesus represent? He is our sacrifice for our sins. What then gives us the right to have eternal life? It is the blood of our Lord Jesus.

We can't attain eternal life through our works, but only through the blood of Christ.
"In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace"-Ephesians 1:7

Plus our salvation is guaranteed by the Holy Spirit in us.
"In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit"-Ephesians 1:13

Praise God for His grace and mercy on us all.

Amen ... Glory to God our Father

 

[Lawrene]

Imputed righteousness says when God looks at us, He only sees Christ and His righteousness.
In this view, no matter how you behave, God deems you as righteous.
Now along with this goes the principle that once you have faith, all your sin is forgiven, because
nothing you do is ever regarded.

The problem with this theory, is then why would christians be convicted of sin, and as Paul
says to the corinthians to repent and stop commiting it.

It is true, that when you come to faith your sins are washed away and you are counted as
righteous, clean, pure. If everytime you stumbled your relationship with God left, that would
create this idea of going in and out of salvation.

Paul lays out strongly our faith is reconned as righteousness, despite our behaviour. Though we
can walk righteously it is not regarded as acceptable without faith. So in the case of stumbling,
this does not break the relationship or salvation unless we loose our faith.

So David though he sinned with Bathsheba, he repented of his sin when confronted, and was
restored to fellowship.

Peter likewise denied Christ but his faith stayed strong and was later restored.
Judas who had no faith, fell away, and was lost.

Now this is important because it is how we walk, and why we walk as we do.
You will read from proponents of imputed righteousness that they are the true believers
and we are trying to earn our salvation. But that is merely their interpretation and not
related to the facts.

Thanks Peter Jens for response.

 

[gb9]

Thanks Peter Jens for response.

hello lawrene , just wanted to tell you that mr. peterjens does not use the Biblical definition of sin, which is missing the mark, falling short of a standard, knowing to do good and not doing so, in his theology.

as for imputed righteousness, I would encourage you to read the entire the books of Romans, Ephesians , Philippians , Colossians for a comprehensive study on this. I would also encourage you to read the entire Bible, so it is more clear.

 

[gb9]

When the Bible tells us to expose those that teach the false doctrine, I believe we should expose their deceit & their lying. A couple of weeks back, 3 or 4 people misquoted & misinterpreted my posts. So what did I do? I posted my quote, posted their deceit & lies, & called them out as a deceiver & liar.

What did they do about it? Nothing. They were proven liars, so it wasn't name calling.

Liars & deceivers are are intentional sinners, not children of God. Those that act like Satan are his followers.

It's about time the rest of the people know who these deceivers & liars are.

if I mis-quoted you I am sorry, did not mean to. now, peter calls everyone who dis-agrees with him a lair, so that's that.

imputed righteousness is NOT a license to sin, i simply posted some Scriptures that support it. how is any of this a lie??

ya'll need to take some serious humble meds if you think you are good and righteous according to Biblical standards.

do you keep all the things that Christ said in the Sermon on the mount 24/7? if not, then you ( and me ) fall short, and need a perfect Savior to save you.

 

[PeterJens]

When the Bible tells us to expose those that teach the false doctrine, I believe we should expose their deceit & their lying. A couple of weeks back, 3 or 4 people misquoted & misinterpreted my posts. So what did I do? I posted my quote, posted their deceit & lies, & called them out as a deceiver & liar.

What did they do about it? Nothing. They were proven liars, so it wasn't name calling.

Liars & deceivers are are intentional sinners, not children of God. Those that act like Satan are his followers.

It's about time the rest of the people know who these deceivers & liars are.

I agree it is hard when people do not follow honest and openness, choosing instead
to change what is being said into something else.

It makes me wonder if they could even write out what we believe as we believe it
or if that would also be too much for them. I suspect it would as it has been with
most religious people who oppose the word of the Lord.

One started talking about the full armour of God as if we are sharing something that
is evil and satanic. I have never regarded scripture like that, but am cautious not
to dishonour the Lord in what we do and say, because in the end we answer to Him
and Him alone.

 

[Stephen63]

if I mis-quoted you I am sorry, did not mean to. now, peter calls everyone who dis-agrees with him a lair, so that's that.

imputed righteousness is NOT a license to sin, i simply posted some Scriptures that support it. how is any of this a lie??

ya'll need to take some serious humble meds if you think you are good and righteous according to Biblical standards.

do you keep all the things that Christ said in the Sermon on the mount 24/7? if not, then you ( and me ) fall short, and need a perfect Savior to save you.

I make mistakes because I live in a fleshly body, & it wants to sin continuously. I have to repent for my sins like anyone else.

What I won't do is intentionally twist the scripture, commentaries, or other people's posts to damage their reputation & change their message.

That's the difference between myself & "some others" in this forum.

I trust in the Holy Spirit to bless my posts & use them for God's glory & purpose. But I'm by no means perfect, & as a result not all of them are Spirit led.

Others have to use deception & lies to convince people, for they don't have the Spirit of God.

When one uses Satan's methods, they are Satan's servant.

 

[Grace777x70]

This is also a consideration when interacting with some on line and encountering the below type of behavior.

What happens in some people's minds is this:

Someone makes the statement:

"What a beautiful blue sky the Lord gave us today."

Someone else responds back to the above statement:

"What? The sky is not green- everyone knows that the sky is blue - you are lawless and an enemy of Christ, a heretic and false teacher, satanic, delusional".

When people have this kind of a mindset - it is impossible to have any kind of a rational discussion with them as they continually "see" something else than what is actually said. They then proceed to talk as if this "made-up thought" is real.

And sometimes we can just agree to disagree too but to deliberately mis-represent what is really being said is deceitful and with these types I have no interaction with until I see that they are at the very least being honest in their discussions and not being abusive and insulting others.

As the saying goes - There is something wrong in Denmark and is most likely just a waste of time to interact with such a mindset as no good can come out of it until repentance is granted by the Lord.

 

[Lawrene]

hello lawrene , just wanted to tell you that mr. peterjens does not use the Biblical definition of sin, which is missing the mark, falling short of a standard, knowing to do good and not doing so, in his theology.

as for imputed righteousness, I would encourage you to read the entire the books of Romans, Ephesians , Philippians , Colossians for a comprehensive study on this. I would also encourage you to read the entire Bible, so it is more clear.

Thanks my good friend.

 

[Stephen63]

This is also a consideration when interacting with some on line and encountering the below type of behavior.

What happens in some people's minds is this:

Someone makes the statement:

"What a beautiful blue sky the Lord gave us today."

Someone else responds back to the above statement:

"What? The sky is not green- everyone knows that the sky is blue - you are lawless and an enemy of Christ, a heretic and false teacher, satanic, delusional".

When people have this kind of a mindset - it is impossible to have any kind of a rational discussion with them as they continually "see" something else than what is actually said. They then proceed to talk as if this "made-up thought" is real.

And sometimes we can just agree to disagree too but to deliberately mis-represent what is really being said is deceitful and with these types I have no interaction with until I see that they are at the very least being honest in their discussions and not being abusive and insulting others.

As the saying goes - There is something wrong in Denmark and is most likely just a waste of time to interact with such a mindset as no good can come out of it until repentance is granted by the Lord.

Now why would someone have an excuse, & quickly I might add, to something they weren't even blamed for?

 

[Stephen63]

So, sin is exposed and everybody leaves?

 

[PeterJens]

if I mis-quoted you I am sorry, did not mean to. now, peter calls everyone who dis-agrees with him a lair, so that's that.

imputed righteousness is NOT a license to sin, i simply posted some Scriptures that support it. how is any of this a lie??

ya'll need to take some serious humble meds if you think you are good and righteous according to Biblical standards.

do you keep all the things that Christ said in the Sermon on the mount 24/7? if not, then you ( and me ) fall short, and need a perfect Savior to save you.

A telltell sign of something wrong is when someone starts a post lying about
someone. It is sad that integrity and morality do not mean much to this group.

Fact - imputed righteousness as a doctrine came into existance in 1500 ad.
Look it up.

Then ask the question, why?

So the inverted lie at the beginning of the post above is to try and say I
am lying. But my point is always go after what is true, scripturally and
from every other source you can. There are many false teachers and
heretics who push junk all the time. And if you are one of the elect,
have no fear the Lord will guide you through.

 

[PeterJens]

hello lawrene , just wanted to tell you that mr. peterjens does not use the Biblical definition of sin, which is missing the mark, falling short of a standard, knowing to do good and not doing so, in his theology.

as for imputed righteousness, I would encourage you to read the entire the books of Romans, Ephesians , Philippians , Colossians for a comprehensive study on this. I would also encourage you to read the entire Bible, so it is more clear.

This is an important point. Has God called us to walk righteously with a loving
heart that is impossible? Many christians would say yes, so they say we have to
have imputed righteousness to stand in our walk with God.

Others would say no, this is the walk of sanctification and learning, where we are
transformed into the image of Christ.

Let us listen to Paul talking to timothy,

He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace.
2 Tim 1:9

Flee the evil desires of youth and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
2 Tim 2:22

With an open heart and cleansing from Jesus blood we can walk in righteousness,
with love flowing from our hearts.

It takes time, healing, transformation to get here, but everyone who is willing
can get here.

The more I read of Pauls ministry, the more its realities speak to my heart.
We are called to walk in purity, love and truth. Amen.

 

[Lawrene]

Dear friends PeterJens, Stephan63, gb9 and others thanks to you all for the information given regarding the doctrine of imputed righteousness.

Today I have taken the litteral meaning of the word " imputed" with explanation.

Imputation is used to designate any action or word or thing as reckoned to a person. Thus in doctrinal language (1) the sin of Adam is imputed to all his descendants, i.e., it is reckoned as theirs, and they are dealt with therefore as guilty; (2) the righteousness of Christ is imputed to them that believe in him, or so attributed to them (as to be considered their own; and (3) our sins are imputed to Christ, i.e., he assumed our "law-place," undertook to answer the demands of justice for our sins. In all these cases the nature of imputation is the same (*Romans 5:12-19*; Compare*Philemon 1:18*Philemon 1:19*).

I understood that Christ' sacrifice on the cross became our righteousness. It is the only way to get cleansing from all our sins, iniquities and curses. Animal sacrifices gives no benefits. It is clearly shows that, our Righteousness has come through Christ by our faith. Only through faith we can get it. Two things are important here. Christ as well as our fatith.

Romans 4:22-25
22*That is why his faith was “counted to him (Abraham) as righteousness.”23*But*the words “it was counted to him” were not written for his sake alone,*24*but for ours also. It will be counted to us*who believe in*him (God the Father) who raised from the dead Jesus our Lord,*25*who (Jesus Christ) delivered up for our (those who are believing this truth strongly) trespasses and raised*for our justification.

We can see many more references in Bible related to this wonderful truth. Righteousness of God comes into our life through His only begotten Son Jesus Christ. This had been designated and assigned long before for remission of sin of the later generation including you and me as well ws our descendents.

Genesis 3:15
I (God) will put enmity between you (Satan) and the woman,***and between your offspring[a]*and*her offspring (Jesus Chrit); he (Jesus Christ) shall bruise your head,****and you shall bruise his heel.”

This privilege has been given us only to come out from the bondage of sin and it's captivity but not permission or licensing to committing sins. Sinning again is forbidden. The Bible says it is like the act of crucifying Jesus again.

There might be the possibility of temptation and falling has come, there we need the support of Holy Sprit to overcome them all.

 

[blessedjohn80]

This is an important point. Has God called us to walk righteously with a loving
heart that is impossible? Many christians would say yes, so they say we have to
have imputed righteousness to stand in our walk with God.

-He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of His own purpose and grace.
2 Tim 1:9

Imputed righteousness is the only way to walk with God. That is why faith in the blood of Christ is everything. It always pleases God when you put Christ as your righteousness. If you were called to a holy life NOT BECAUSE OF THE THINGS YOU DO then you stay holy NOT BECAUSE OF THE THINGS YOU DO.

Brothers stop confusing good works as a way through salvation. Good works is to glorify God and to please Him. How do you glorify God through good works? When people see you do good works, you glorify God, when you feed the poor, you glorify God, when you live righteously, you glorify God. The purpose of good works is to extend God's goodness and overflowing love to fellow sinners, believers, and even to the unbelievers but is not the way to salvation. Salvation has always been, is and will be by the blood.


But if you insist on doing good works to eternal life then look up Mark 10:17-30

What to do to inherit eternal life?

Jesus answered
You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother. And Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.

That's right, Sell everything you have and give to the poor. Sell everything you have right now. That means good bye house, car, appliances, laptop, pc, everything!

Also take note of Jesus' words, "No one is good—except God alone."

"Children, how hard it is[e] to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

"With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God."

Imputed righteousness from God makes all things possible.

Praise God that salvation is free to all men, though at the high cost of Jesus' blood, salvation is ours through faith in Christ our Lord. Good news indeed! Spread the word right brothers! Peace.

 

[PeterJens]

-He has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of His own purpose and grace.
2 Tim 1:9

Also take note of Jesus' words, "No one is good—except God alone."

"Children, how hard it is[e] to enter the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

"With man this is impossible, but not with God; all things are possible with God."

Imputed righteousness from God makes all things possible.

Praise God that salvation is free to all men, though at the high cost of Jesus' blood, salvation is ours through faith in Christ our Lord. Good news indeed! Spread the word right brothers! Peace.

I think our language is too open for the readers interpretation to gain the meaning from.

1. Jesus cleanses us and gives us the privilege of walking with Him.
2. We are empowered to walk as Jesus walked.

Walking as Jesus walked is not natural man behaving in a way according to this world.
Walking as Jesus walked is the fruit of a heart flowing with love. It is also a heart
continually being filled and washed by the word, by the Holy Spirit, by the love of
fellowship with others and the Lord. It is also sown with the seeds of thoughts
of heavenly things, of praise, of worship, of helping others, of seeing needs and
meeting them.

Jesus's vision was that we might be one with the Father as He is one with Him.
How can we see God and His heart? By having a pure heart, by purifying our
hearts with Jesus's blood, by forgiving those we hold hurts and grudges against,
by learning to love our enemies.

Now I know for many this will be impossible, but this is the way of Christ and
how you get to see God. And understand in these words a hidden reality many miss.
If the pure in heart will see God, to walk in salvation, you must be purified.

And to know Christ is to hunger and thirst for righteousness. Righteousness is to love
all, to see the real state of the human condition and lostness and be Christ to the world.

Now if we walk as Jesus walked we walk righteously. Even to write these words seems
strange, yet this is our calling.

 

[blessedjohn80]

I think our language is too open for the readers interpretation to gain the meaning from.

1. Jesus cleanses us and gives us the privilege of walking with Him.
2. We are empowered to walk as Jesus walked.

Walking as Jesus walked is not natural man behaving in a way according to this world.
Walking as Jesus walked is the fruit of a heart flowing with love. It is also a heart
continually being filled and washed by the word, by the Holy Spirit, by the love of
fellowship with others and the Lord. It is also sown with the seeds of thoughts
of heavenly things, of praise, of worship, of helping others, of seeing needs and
meeting them.

Jesus's vision was that we might be one with the Father as He is one with Him.
How can we see God and His heart? By having a pure heart, by purifying our
hearts with Jesus's blood, by forgiving those we hold hurts and grudges against,
by learning to love our enemies.

Now I know for many this will be impossible, but this is the way of Christ and
how you get to see God. And understand in these words a hidden reality many miss.
If the pure in heart will see God, to walk in salvation, you must be purified.

And to know Christ is to hunger and thirst for righteousness. Righteousness is to love
all, to see the real state of the human condition and lostness and be Christ to the world.

Now if we walk as Jesus walked we walk righteously. Even to write these words seems
strange, yet this is our calling.

One of the criminals who hung there hurled insults at him: “Aren’t you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!”


But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.”


Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.”


Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

This thief obviously died a thief in the eyes of men that day. He was probably even regarded as just some thief and wasn't even given a proper burial but still we know that he is now in heaven.

Did he walk with Jesus? Probably not.

Was he continually being washed by the word? Most likely not.

Were his thoughts sown with heavenly things? Unlikely.

Did he love his enemies, forgive others, and did he have a pure heart to see God? Maybe not.

So how is it that he is now in heaven? He sure didn't have a pure heart to see God, right? Still what he said was enough to earn his ticket to heaven.

1. He recognized that there is a God. "Don’t you fear God"
2. He recognized that he is a sinner and Jesus is not. "We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong."
3. He believed in Jesus to take him to heaven. "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom."

These three things got him to heaven with Jesus. He did not walk righteously nor did he thirst for righteousness to recognize who Jesus was. And I'm pretty sure he wasn't purified when he got his way to salvation but still he did. Sure he died as a sinner but because he had faith of Jesus' goodness and love, he was saved.

There's a reason why Jesus instituted the holy communion for us and that is to remember Him and what is being given.
"This is My body given for you; do this in remembrance of Me."

I pray that we brothers focus more on receiving the body of Christ than straining to achieve purity, holy walk, good works, all of which comes from receiving from God anyway. Our calling is not to give to God but to receive from God. God wants to always be the giver, the supplier, the provider, the source of life and abundance.

-Peace