BEHOLD, THE BRIDEGROOM COMETH

jerry2465 · Jan 30, 2017

Many have guessed, but nobody has been correct. Just make sure you are ready at ALL times.

[h=1]Matthew 24:30-36English Standard Version (ESV)[/h] [SUP]30 [/SUP]Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [SUP]31 [/SUP]And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

[SUP]32 [/SUP]“From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts out its leaves, you know that summer is near. [SUP]33 [/SUP]So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. [SUP]34 [/SUP]Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. [SUP]35 [/SUP]Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

[SUP]36 [/SUP]“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son,[SUP][a][/SUP] but the Father only.

oyster67 · Jan 30, 2017

I respect your fire and zeal to see the lost ones come to Jesus before it is too late, but I am also glad that my salvation does not depend on my understanding of everything that you are trying to set forth in this private interpretation you claim to have received.

abcdef · Jan 30, 2017

jerry2465 said:

Yes, Yes, true, true.

All these things, the destruction of Jerusalem, The beginning of the times of the gentiles 70 ad-1967,persecution of the APOSTLES, were spoken to the 4 apostles present (Mk 13:3), John being one of these who fulfilled "this generation".

This statement was true when Jesus spoke it.

But it is not true today.

Jesus received ALL power in heaven and in earth after His resurrection and after He ascended to the Father Mt 28:18.

So after that time, Jesus did know or else He would have received only some power.

He told John what to write in the Revelation, doesn't that tell us about His coming and continue through the beginning of eternity?

Can we identify the places in the scriptures that talk about His return and see if we can tell where we are in the prophetic time line?

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In it's context, it would be about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad.

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Would Israel accept the Pentecost Kingdom and Jesus as their King?

If they had, would Jerusalem have been destroyed in 70 ad?

I think it would never have been destroyed.

There was prophecy that said they would reject Him,

So, did they have option to accept Jesus or not?

They COULD have accepted Him as the Messiah, Yes?

If they had accepted Him Jerusalem would have not been destroyed.

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You might remember also that it was a secret that Jesus would be crucified 1 Cor 2:8-9, Ro 16:25-26.

What did Jesus know, and what didn't He know, before He received all power?

I'm going to ask Him when we see Him.

abcdef · Jan 30, 2017

oyster67 said:

I agree, totally.

I have said, that many of the things that I am saying, have been said before, by others many years ago.

The things I have said are not private, they are for all to agree or disagree.

All I did was to read the Bible and listen to what people have to say, weigh their ideas and test my thoughts.

Is it my private interpretation if I say that Jesus is the Messiah?

Is it my Private understanding if I say that He rose from the dead?

Is it my own idea that He will come for us and take us to Him for Eternity?

Am I alone, waiting for His return? NOT!!!!!!

The Bible is for all, just cause I see some things different doesn't make them private interpretations.

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Did you ever get to that study of the symbolism in the OT as related to the Revelation?

I was hoping that you would.

popeye · Jan 30, 2017

abcdef said:

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Jesus will come for the Pentecost kingdom 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to Iran and it's allies.

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This is based on 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24,

1. 1st resurrection.....Jesus and all the OT saints

The OT saints are seen with Jesus at the writing of the Revelation.

2. 2nd resurrection....Jesus comes for the Pentecost Kingdom.

The dead rise, we meet Him in the air.

3. The end....of the resurrections and this planet. Fire from heaven Rev 20, last judgement.

4. Death destroyed.....As shown in Rev 20:14-15.

5. The Kingdom is delivered up to the Father.......For the wedding.

6. Jesus submits to the Father to be all in all.

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Revelation is not one timeline.

The 7th trumpet (last), the 7th vial, and the fire from heaven in Rev 20, are all the same events.

(the 6th/7th seals show the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad, [Lk 23:28-30, 30, compared to Rev 6:12:17, 16])

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We are at the end of Revelation, not the beginning.

The events that are taking place in the Middle East are leading to the fall of Jerusalem to Iran (Kings of the East) and their allies (Russia, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Turkey, etc, it's a long list).

This is shown in Rev 20:2, as the dragon (Rome, Rev 12:3), deceiving Magog to surround Jerusalem. Also see Rev 16:12-16.

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As time goes by,

The situation will become clearer, if you have not realized it yet.

Jerusalem is going to fall to Iran.

3 1/2 days later will be the resurrection and the end of this planet.

When the resurrection takes place, if you are still here,

you will be killed by the fire from heaven.

There won't be any 2nd chances.

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Uh,no,there is a rapture in rev 14 during the GT.

1 thes 4 says the dead rise first,followed by the living.

You have the dead raised after the living are gathered.

Ahwatukee · Jan 30, 2017

Hello Jerry2465,

The gathering of the church and the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, are two separate events. The gathering of the church will come like a thief in the night. Whereas regarding the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, every eye will see him and the angels will appear with him. The Lord's return to the earth to end the age is what the scriptures that you have provided above are referring to and not to the gathering of the church.

abcdef · Jan 30, 2017

popeye said:

The trib is not 7 literal years,

The 7 times are the same time period as the statue of Dan 2.

The statue shows the time until Israel is restored to Jerusalem from Babylon until 1967.

The first half of the 7 times is from the angel in Babylon Dan ch 12, until 70 ad.

The period of great trib is the 2nd half of the 7 times from 70 ad until 1967.

The resur in Rev 14 is a picture of the first resur when Jesus rose.

The angel that reaps for the wine press is showing God's withdrawing blessings on the natural branches as long as they are outside Jerusalem Rev 14:20, "outside the city".

The dead in Christ rise first,

Then we will meet Him in the air, yes.

But then the unsaved will rise after all have finished dying.

Jn 5:28, ALL

oyster67 · Jan 30, 2017

abcdef said:

I am eagerly awaiting and anticipating the end of the age right along with you. I do appreciate the symbolism used throughout the Scriptures, but I don't think that it necessarily excludes a literal interpretation of some things. I don't think that the Word of God is as complex and convoluted as many people make it out to be. The Holy Spirit will gladly give aid in understanding to all who would seek it. I believe that symbolism, parable, and other literary devices are intended to enhance our understanding, not undermine it. It all comes together in a most beautiful and elegant way. It is the signature of God. Our Bible is in a class all it's own, transcending all else. PTL! God bless you, brother.

abcdef · Jan 30, 2017

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Brothers and Sisters on this forum,

I have seen the love that we share for God's Word.

May it continue with fire.

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What I am asking you to do is face the truth of reality,

The situation in the Middle East and around the world.

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Look! Look! Look!

Israel is restored to Jerusalem!

Israel is surrounded!

Jerusalem is surrounded!

By Magog and Iran (the Kings of the East)!

Wake Up! This is it!

The reality of the situation will soon come to a bitter end (scroll).

Everything is falling into place.

It might be a few months or years, I don't know,

But the winds of destruction from across the Euphrates are already in Syria and building bases there.

Soon the forces will be too strong for anyone to stop, I don't believe that they can be stopped now.

The last war will begin after the Bishop of Rome (Caesar, Caesar worship, Vatican/Image), speaks his deception.

Maybe he has already said it, maybe a treaty with Iran over Jerusalem, I don't know I'm just guessing on exactly what the deception is.

But I have a guess that we all will know it when he says it, because after that Iran will attack Israel.

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I can't tell you how important it is that you know these things before they happen, that God's word is accurate.

You must see what is coming.

I don't know if I will die tomorrow or when, so if I am preaching with vigor, please understand.

There is nothing wrong, but you never know.

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popeye · Jan 30, 2017

abcdef said:

No because the 144k are in the same chapter. They are first fruit JEWS ONLY,from the specific 12 tribes.

Those harvested in rev 14 follow the 144k already in heaven.

The 144k are specific to the GT in that the flying scorpions are forbidden from stinging the 144k.

So,we see the GT happening all around rev 14.

It CANNOT be the harvest of the dead raised.

abcdef · Jan 30, 2017

popeye said:

Yes, they are seen in Rev ch14,

But they are seen with Jesus in heaven, not on earth.

The 144000 were resurrected with the mult that no man could count (mtnmcc) at Jesus' resurrection.

They are seen with Jesus in heaven when the scroll is opened in 96 ad.

Those harvested ARE the 144000 and the mtnmcc at Jesus' resurrection.

It's a different picture of Jesus' resurrection.

The 144000 are already shown to be in heaven with Jesus after the 6 th seal.

They are not finished being sealed until the after the 6th trumpet, Rev 7:3 & Rev 9:14

This shows that they are still in heaven being sealed at the time of the 5th trump.

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Rev 9:4, The seal of God spoken of here is the indwelling (gift) of the Holy Spirit of the Pentecost Kingdom,

It does not say that the seal described here was exclusively the 144000 in this context.

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The sealing of the 144000 in Rev 7 is against the second death.

The reason that they need to be sealed is that before the Pentecost Kingdom arrived no one could have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit until Jesus came.

The implication is that when the sealing of the 144000 is done (6th trumpet), the final judgement is about to take place (7th trumpet).

The GT takes place until the natural branches are restored to Jerusalem, (outside the city).

I'm not sure what you mean here.

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The scorpions are descriptive of the spirit of the men who are part of Restored to nationhood Rome 1929.

Isaiah 9:15, "The ancient and honorable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail."

They look honorable, but their sting is death (sin). (Rome/Vatican)

The noise of their wings causes confusion (false teachings),

You can't find the truth to be saved.

Ahwatukee · Jan 31, 2017

Hello John,

Just FYI, the Male child which is a collective name for the 144,000, are NOT resurrected, but are "caught up" to God and to his throne, similar to how the living church is caught up at the time of the resurrection. In fact, the same word "Harpazo" is used to catch up the church is used of the 144,000 being caught up.

"She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was "caught up" to God and to his throne,"

The 144,000 and the great number of white robed saints are both future groups and therefore did not exist in 96 AD. The 144,000 is that male child who the woman Israel gives birth to during that last seven years i.e. this group comes out of Israel as the first fruits who recognize Jesus as their messiah. The white robed saints which no man can count, are identified as the saints who come out of the great tribulation period, which is that last 3 1/2 years of the seven year period.

In Rev.7:1-9, which is after the 6th seal, the 144,000 are sealed while on the earth. Rev.14 is a picture of the 144,000 after they are caught up to God's throne.

The seal that the 144,000 receive will be a literal, visible seal, as it will be recognizable by those demonic beings that come up out of the Abyss at the 5th trumpet, who will torment all of the inhabitants of the earth except those who have the seal of God on their foreheads.

Scripture does indeed say that ONLY the 144,000 are sealed, as there is no other scripture that statues that any other group or individuals are sealed during that time.

Remember what I said about false teachings regarding the prophecy of the book of Revelation? Well, you're doing exactly that. The sealing of the 144,000 has nothing to do with the second death, which is the lake of fire. Please provide the scripture(s) that state that the sealing of the 144,000 is against the second death.

There are three sets of seven judgments, the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. Therefore, the final judgment is not the 7th trumpet, for there are seven more bowl judgments which are to follow. It is not until after the 7th bowl judgment that Jesus returns to the earth to end the age.

The demonic beings that come up out of the Abyss at the 5th trumpet/1st woe, are not the spirits of men, but are demonic beings that are currently restricted in the Abyss and will be released at the sounding of the 5th trumpet. Please provide the scripture(s) where you got this information from.

"I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."

You really need to consider what you have been teaching. For all that you have been doing is proclaiming false teachings regarding the book of Revelation and end-time events, which has grave consequences.

popeye · Jan 31, 2017

abcdef said:

All false doctrine carries with it "an impossibility"

Look what you are doing. Now you are forced to spiritualize away the flying scorpions.

Even the "seal" now has to mean something else.

1) the flying scorpions are told not to eat green plants.
Ooops

2) in your deal,you COMPLETELY leave out the heart of heaven,and God's target,the harvest if the bride.

Rev 14, and the bride/groom dynamic,as well as the separation of God's dealing with the Jew and gentile are too great of obstacles for a historical doctrine to have any traction.

The flying scorpions will forever be a obstacle for historicists.

How did you miss the part where the scorpions are not allowed to eat vegetation?....proving they are literal insects????

popeye · Jan 31, 2017

abcdef said:

I agree, totally.

I have said, that many of the things that I am saying, have been said before, by others many years ago.

The things I have said are not private, they are for all to agree or disagree.

All I did was to read the Bible and listen to what people have to say, weigh their ideas and test my thoughts.

Is it my private interpretation if I say that Jesus is the Messiah?

Is it my Private understanding if I say that He rose from the dead?

Is it my own idea that He will come for us and take us to Him for Eternity?

Am I alone, waiting for His return? NOT!!!!!!

The Bible is for all, just cause I see some things different doesn't make them private interpretations.

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Did you ever get to that study of the symbolism in the OT as related to the Revelation?

I was hoping that you would.

Show us a link to a like minded ministry.

popeye · Jan 31, 2017

BTW,abcd,when you accuse the body of Christ that disagree with your end times view of not being saved,you literally curse yourself.

What happens is,when you send forth an undeserved curse,it "cannot find rest".

So the one doing the cursing ends up wearing their own deal.

I have never seen where your beliefs are a requirement for salvation.

royalscot · Jan 31, 2017

they should read the news paper or watch the news more.
isreal has fighter planes. and strange bombs,
i will say no more, but they could check a news web site.
instead of starting bible topics like this. (just a thought.)

iamsoandso · Jan 31, 2017

abcdef in post #31 you said that the seals were opened in ad96. In Revelation 17:8 the beast that was,was not yet is has not yet ascended out of the pit. In the book of Revelation the wrath of God,vials,bowels trumpets are poured out on those who worshipped the image,received the mark ect. and "no one else". If you believe that the seals were loosed in ad96 and the rev. was then given then if the beast was still in the pit in ad96 and would ascend out of the pit after this point why do you say that the seals are opened in ad70 and these things are poured out on anyone before the beast is out of the pit? wouldn’t it make sense that the beast needs to be there first for someone to receive his mark and worship his image and then God set his wrath on them for it? I'm asking this because you in many of your post state that seals are opened wrath is poured out starting in ad70 before the beast and his mark is present.

abcdef · Jan 31, 2017

iamsoandso said:

The beast, is the 4th beast of Dan. 7 and the Iron legs of Dan. 2, which is Rome.

These are nations that rule over Israel until they are restored to Jerusalem..

See that the ten horns and toes are also Roman nations.

These nations last until the stone strikes Dan 2.

So all of these events must take place before the stone strikes.

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The nation Rome/beast,

is seen coming out of the abyss at the 5th trumpet, he kills the 2 witnesses.

But how can a nation (Rome) go into the abyss and then come out again?

The Roman Empire (west) fell in 476 ad,

But the religion of the Roman Empire (Caesar worship, Man is god-holy father, worship the creation, Babylon) continued in the RCC.

Then in 1929 Rome became a nation again, the Vatican, Rome crawled out of the abyss.

This is shown at the 5th trumpet, the 5th vial, and the dragon of Rev ch 20.

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The Rome/nation/beast invaded Israel which began the time of the iron legs and 4th beast.

Caesar worship was around before John the Baptist (didn't take the mark).

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The book of the 7 seals could only be opened after Jerusalem was destroyed according to the angel of Dan. 12, (power of the holy people scattered).

This would show that the Revelation to John occurred after 70 ad.

The 6th seal shows the destruction of Jerusalem,

the 7th seal show that everything that had to be done in order for the scroll to be opened, had been accomplished.

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The seals and trumpets are showing God withdrawing blessings on the natural branches for rejecting the Pentecost Kingdom.

The events depicted by the seals on the scroll had already been accomplished, in order for the Revelation to be written and revealed.

If you say that the seals are to be opened in the future, then the story (2 witnesses) of the scroll could not be revealed until then.

But Revelation has been with us, and the story revealed since it's writing 2000 years ago, so the seals are already opened.

abcdef · Jan 31, 2017

popeye said:

Prophetic beliefs.

Jesus is Lord.

Where did I say anything like that?

Perhaps you and I misunderstood each other.

abcdef · Jan 31, 2017

popeye said:

Remember?

There is no website, no denomination, no group, no ministry.

I will stand for the truth of scripture by myself, for His glory, because I believe the Bible.

(the truth is not always the most popular thing)

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