We are saved by the work of Christ's faith .Can't separate the two.And make them both of ourselves. Faith to believe God is the gift of God. It works in us to both will and do His good pleasure.(Imputed righteousness) It is not of our own selves .To say it is that would mean someone has blasphemed the holy name by which we are called to salvation. Its OSAS. He does not give partial grace and say work to finish it, I could not.
Once saved, always saved. Chosen elect of God?
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Yes, SHOW not establish. Big difference.
Nobody is questioning the fact that the demons "believe" (mental assent) that "there is one God" but where in this passage does it say that demons believe or trust in Jesus Christ for salvation? The faith of demons is only "mental assent." Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works. The word "believe" can describe "mere mental assent," as in James 2:19 or also include "trust and reliance" in Christ for salvation, as in Acts 16:31. Saving belief is more than just an "intellectual acknowledgment" to the existence and historical facts about Christ. Saving belief trusts exclusively in Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.
Faith without works is an empty profession of faith, not genuine faith which is evidenced by works. Notice closely that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac on the altar resulted in God's accounting Abraham as righteous. No! The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22. The work of Abraham did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to save his soul, but it proved or manifested the genuineness of his faith. This is the sense in which Abraham was justified by works, "shown to be righteous."
Faith made perfect by works means bring to maturity, carry to the end, to complete like love in 1 John 4:18. It doesn't mean that Abraham was finally saved based on his works. When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6. The scripture was fulfilled in vindicating or demonstrating that Abraham believed God and was accounted as righteous. Abraham was accounted as righteous because of his faith in Genesis 15:6 long before he offered up Isaac on the altar and demonstrated the reality of his faith in Genesis 22.
They are not both united as the root of salvation. Faith is the root and good works are the fruit and we are saved FOR good works, NOT BY good works (Ephesians 2:8-10).
Nobody is questioning the fact that the demons "believe" (mental assent) that "there is one God" but where in this passage does it say that demons believe or trust in Jesus Christ for salvation? The faith of demons is only "mental assent." Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works. The word "believe" can describe "mere mental assent," as in James 2:19 or also include "trust and reliance" in Christ for salvation, as in Acts 16:31. Saving belief is more than just an "intellectual acknowledgment" to the existence and historical facts about Christ. Saving belief trusts exclusively in Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.
Faith without works is an empty profession of faith, not genuine faith which is evidenced by works. Notice closely that James does not say that Abraham's work of offering up Isaac on the altar resulted in God's accounting Abraham as righteous. No! The accounting of Abraham's faith as righteousness was made in Genesis 15:6, many years before his work of offering up Isaac recorded in Genesis 22. The work of Abraham did not have some kind of intrinsic merit to save his soul, but it proved or manifested the genuineness of his faith. This is the sense in which Abraham was justified by works, "shown to be righteous."
Faith made perfect by works means bring to maturity, carry to the end, to complete like love in 1 John 4:18. It doesn't mean that Abraham was finally saved based on his works. When Abraham performed the good work in Genesis 22; he fulfilled the expectations created by the pronouncement of his faith in Genesis 15:6. The scripture was fulfilled in vindicating or demonstrating that Abraham believed God and was accounted as righteous. Abraham was accounted as righteous because of his faith in Genesis 15:6 long before he offered up Isaac on the altar and demonstrated the reality of his faith in Genesis 22.
They are not both united as the root of salvation. Faith is the root and good works are the fruit and we are saved FOR good works, NOT BY good works (Ephesians 2:8-10).
Y'all keep trying to imply I am speaking of human works when with faith, we are urged to grow with God, this growth and obeying of God is packaged with faith. This is why James says he will show you my faith by my works. His faith will show its genuineness because his love for God shines like a light on a hill
If we are eternally sealed in Christ, why do people have to teach it?
To sell their church. Come join us, once in you are eternally saved.
We really know Christ, because we have the confidence to know this is
an eternal reality.
Trouble with salesmen, they are normally liars and exagurators who are good at
conning people and not speaking the truth.
Gods elect are from eternity, but what did Jesus say is their witness,
By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.
John 13:35
Real life transformation and testimony is difficult and hard, and people find it
hard to share deep realities publically.
And if you want a banner to be provocative and challenge the order of the
day OSAS is it. If you do not believe Christ holds you forever you show
it by not being a OSAS believer, you evil person.
To sell their church. Come join us, once in you are eternally saved.
We really know Christ, because we have the confidence to know this is
an eternal reality.
Trouble with salesmen, they are normally liars and exagurators who are good at
conning people and not speaking the truth.
Gods elect are from eternity, but what did Jesus say is their witness,
By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.
John 13:35
Real life transformation and testimony is difficult and hard, and people find it
hard to share deep realities publically.
And if you want a banner to be provocative and challenge the order of the
day OSAS is it. If you do not believe Christ holds you forever you show
it by not being a OSAS believer, you evil person.
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No it is better to tell them they have never been saved in the first place. not that their salvation can be lost. Again, How can somethign be lost that they never had in the first place. People will see right through that.
not only that, you would be contradicting the word of God. and really confuse them.
That is exactly what James did when he told the people he wrote to to examine themselves. To test their faith. Are you a doer of the word or a hearer only.
If YOU CLAIM to have faith, But HAVE NO WORK, can your CLAIMED FAITH save you?
No!!
why? Because your faith is non existent (faith) it is name only, it has no life..
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Lol it is, welcome to Christian chat, where your words will be tested and your grace and patience get exercised because you will be asked to defend strawmen and called all sorts of names when emotions get too high.
I utilise the ignore button, but am told I don't do it right since I still read their post.
I utilise the ignore button, but am told I don't do it right since I still read their post.