Once saved, always saved. Chosen elect of God?
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You state the same thing over and over. Why are using these arguments? They go both ways. And are not helping either of us in conversation.
John said an antichrist Denys Jesus (1 John 2: 22) while also saying as a fact they never were part of the church, that is why they left and because Christ deniers.. To expose who they really were.
Your right Peter had a heart issue, he was scared of the Romans.. Who had his master, Many people have the same problem, what gives us the right to condemn them? I can not read a persons Heart.
Yes, we are warned, do not deny Christ If we do , we are an antichrist. And John tells us our state. We are not a part of the body of Christ. S0o if this is our only disagreement, We can agree, they will not get to heaven.
Our difference is you say they lost salvation. I say they were never saved to begin with.
John said an antichrist Denys Jesus (1 John 2: 22) while also saying as a fact they never were part of the church, that is why they left and because Christ deniers.. To expose who they really were.
Your right Peter had a heart issue, he was scared of the Romans.. Who had his master, Many people have the same problem, what gives us the right to condemn them? I can not read a persons Heart.
Yes, we are warned, do not deny Christ If we do , we are an antichrist. And John tells us our state. We are not a part of the body of Christ. S0o if this is our only disagreement, We can agree, they will not get to heaven.
Our difference is you say they lost salvation. I say they were never saved to begin with.
Yes. I said I was OSAS until I saw that some believe a different OSAS than me. So now I have to say I am mostly OSAS but that I don't believe unbelief is covered by the blood, because to my mind to say that would be to believe in universalism. But even that doesn't fully cover it, because there is more....
The NT speaks 95% on life and how to obtain life. But there are warnings on how to lose life. We do not have life if we do not drink from the water if life. We do not have life if people who willfully, publically and explicitly reject Jesus as Savior after having confessed him, or, as in the gospels, to those who blaspheme against the Holy Spirit by declaring that the works of Jesus were the works of the Evil one.
Christ told peter before hand he will deny him 3 times before the rooster crows. I don't know where you got he was scared, he was obeying what the lord said. I'm sure it saddened him to do it but scared? I doubt. Yes he did think he would be arrested but im sure he was more concerned about what the lord told him than being arrested. Plus Christ already told them they would be persecuted. I personally don't really get into the osas debate. I just suggest to people to repent and seek the lord for forgiveness when they rebel against him. I fear people who believe in the osas doctrine may think they don't need to ask for forgiveness because in their minds they are always saved.
We "obtain life" by Christ alone and what He has already done for us and no other method. There is a massive difference between having things happen to us in this life because of walking by the flesh and in being with the Lord for eternity. We are joined as one spirit with the Lord.
Once a believer finds out what happened to them in Christ when He died on the cross - we died with Him and when He rose from the dead - so did we. Once we have an understanding of this we will start to grow in the Lord. Other than that we are playing "What if I lose my salvation games". It's a ploy from the enemy.
Jesus said "He who drinks of Me shall never thirst again for from his belly will flow river of living water unto everlasting life".
Of course those that reject Christ as Savior will not have life because they were never in Christ. We are saved when we believe from the heart. Not in our heads or minds. Is it possible to be messed up in our heads? Does someone sick in body and die - do they go to hell now?
They can be sick in their minds as well from various things but their heart is still in Christ - where Jesus said the Holy Spirit will be in us and with us forever - John 14:16 ( - well unless Jesus turns out to a liar. Myself - I choose to believe that Jesus is not a liar and that He speaks the truth of His love and grace towards us and that His blood speaks of better things)
Tell me how does one get separate from Christ once we have died with Christ and have risen with Him?
Once a believer finds out what happened to them in Christ when He died on the cross - we died with Him and when He rose from the dead - so did we. Once we have an understanding of this we will start to grow in the Lord. Other than that we are playing "What if I lose my salvation games". It's a ploy from the enemy.
Jesus said "He who drinks of Me shall never thirst again for from his belly will flow river of living water unto everlasting life".
Of course those that reject Christ as Savior will not have life because they were never in Christ. We are saved when we believe from the heart. Not in our heads or minds. Is it possible to be messed up in our heads? Does someone sick in body and die - do they go to hell now?
They can be sick in their minds as well from various things but their heart is still in Christ - where Jesus said the Holy Spirit will be in us and with us forever - John 14:16 ( - well unless Jesus turns out to a liar. Myself - I choose to believe that Jesus is not a liar and that He speaks the truth of His love and grace towards us and that His blood speaks of better things)
Tell me how does one get separate from Christ once we have died with Christ and have risen with Him?
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If any person that does not follow God who believes they are saved, but as you say they was never saved. Then that opens the door to every time I fall from God for awhile then maybe I wasn't truly saved. In my past I fell away from God for months until God spoke to me through his Word. God telling me Son are you going to fully follow me or not? You can't be half way. It comes down to that decision am I going to fully follow God or half or none. This world really does it best to make us too busy for God and people only half follow him. Half following God will lead to he'll just as much as none.
Matthew 26:34 - “Truly I tell you, Jesus declared, “- this very night before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three times.” Peter replied, “Even if I must die with You, I will never deny You.” And the rest of the disciples said the same.…
As the scriptures state peter didnt want to deny him. Peter clearly didn't care about death let alone being afraid to be arrested
As the scriptures state peter didnt want to deny him. Peter clearly didn't care about death let alone being afraid to be arrested
LOL...buddy....you come up a thousand different ways to not believe in what our Lord Jesus Christ has said and has done for us and to rely on what we do instead. That is one horrible way to live my friend.
If Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will be with you and in you forever - this is why you will never thirst again and can drink from Him. Religion always gets the gospel backwards in order to make it dependent on us.
I pray my friend you see what Christ has done for you and then you can walk free of any worry or thoughts of the enemy coming to destroy you. This is the very mindset that satan is using to attack your brother right now but the Lord will reveal Himself to him.
