Did Christ do enough to save us?

[PeterJens]

What you might not see your struggles are commen to all yet you struggle alone.
Learn how to share and believe.

You are loved, a precious child of God, but you need to practice openness and accept
the pain. But that is hard, to be like Christ, knowing others would reject and turn away
because the pain within is too much for them.

 

[JIMBO43]

I do wonder at peoples english comprehension.

Let me put the question in english terms.
Can a car take someone 400 miles on a tank of petrol?
Yes it can.
No it cannot if there is no driver.

Can you see the assumption in the first answer, and the point
in the second answer. If you cannot spot this difference in dealing with
assumptions in summaries, then this whole question is beyond you, I do
apologise, because for some this will be true.

Simply a lot of religious and scriptural language has hidden assumptions
that the audience has, but until you know the audience and their background
you can get wrong. It is why scripture can be hard to understand and a lot
of assumptions may well be wrong, in small ways and some in big ways.

It is why embedding yourself in scripture is a good thing, and not being
judgmental helps to come to good conclusions, after you have see the big
picture.

I think you need to retitle this thread with this is how i see the bible.

This is perfectly normally for folk to percieve the bible there way. But with love,,, its not your way or the high way which seems to be your most posted scripture is that of condemnation.

Not only are you higly ignorant your also have the most dispicable lieing attitude i have ever herd on this forum

 

[JIMBO43]

What you might not see your struggles are commen to all yet you struggle alone.
Learn how to share and believe.

You are loved, a precious child of God, but you need to practice openness and accept
the pain. But that is hard, to be like Christ, knowing others would reject and turn away
because the pain within is too much for them.

PATRIOTISM PERSONIFIED This is you.

Please grow up and get rid of your hate,, and please save the hard done by smypothy preach GROW UP

 

[PeterJens]

I think you need to retitle this thread with this is how i see the bible.

This is perfectly normally for folk to percieve the bible there way. But with love,,, its not your way or the high way which seems to be your most posted scripture is that of condemnation.

Not only are you higly ignorant your also have the most dispicable lieing attitude i have ever herd on this forum

PATRIOTISM PERSONIFIED This is you.

Please grow up and get rid of your hate,, and please save the hard done by smypothy preach GROW UP

Thanks for the above statements.

I apparently have hate, not sure what of, need to grow up, am highly ignorant, have a most
dispicable lieing attitude.

If I hate, what do I hate?
If I am childish, in what regard?
If I am ignorant, what of?
If I am despicable and lying you have to say what about.

I believe you think the elect are self righteous hypocrites and I am lying about the
people of God walking in real righteousness and grace.

Now I am sure there are self righteous people, and people who lie, but picking on
me does not make me either. But you venom is real and you intent to harm is real.

So it is you who are expressing hate and destruction.

God bless you, and I pray God might deliver you from this hatred of your past
and lead you into His everlasting ways of love. Peace.

 

[JIMBO43]

Thanks for the above statements.

I apparently have hate, not sure what of, need to grow up, am highly ignorant, have a most
dispicable lieing attitude.

If I hate, what do I hate?
If I am childish, in what regard?
If I am ignorant, what of?
If I am despicable and lying you have to say what about.

I believe you think the elect are self righteous hypocrites and I am lying about the
people of God walking in real righteousness and grace.

Now I am sure there are self righteous people, and people who lie, but picking on
me does not make me either. But you venom is real and you intent to harm is real.

So it is you who are expressing hate and destruction.

God bless you, and I pray God might deliver you from this hatred of your past
and lead you into His everlasting ways of love. Peace.

Nerly every post you make has some sort of sneaky condemnation attached to it or some baiting tactic. (its so obvious).

You then claim to be innocent when you know fine well your motives where that of condemnation and hate and lies and bait. (you like to make people look foolish.

You like to post scripture which condems people. (for a selfish ambition).

You try to be cleaver in all your posts when there really is no need,( just a simple answer would of been enough on many accasion.)

You leave people totaly confused by your false accusations.

Your a menace to the internet and babbling buffoon. Grow up and stop being a self centred pig.

 

[JIMBO43]

I do wonder at peoples english comprehension.

Let me put the question in english terms.
Can a car take someone 400 miles on a tank of petrol?
Yes it can.
No it cannot if there is no driver.

Can you see the assumption in the first answer, and the point
in the second answer. If you cannot spot this difference in dealing with
assumptions in summaries, then this whole question is beyond you, I do
apologise, because for some this will be true.

Simply a lot of religious and scriptural language has hidden assumptions
that the audience has, but until you know the audience and their background
you can get wrong. It is why scripture can be hard to understand and a lot
of assumptions may well be wrong, in small ways and some in big ways.

It is why embedding yourself in scripture is a good thing, and not being
judgmental helps to come to good conclusions, after you have see the big
picture.

This thread spells your attitude out which is mr i am which is a lie. you are not mr i am.

 

[JIMBO43]

I am at a loss.

I speak the words that Christ uttered, with the meaning he gave it yet that
is not right.

I talk of having a clean heart, of forgiving from the heart and walking blamelessly
in purity and holiness, yet that is not right.

I talk of repenting of ones sins, confessing ones sins and being healed of hurts deep
within, yet that is not right.

These are not issues of interpretation, but issues of spirituality and life.
Even your own ranks do these things while denying the theology or obedience behind them.

But if your heart is hard, ofcourse none of this makes sense. Because these are all issues
of the heart, of relationship, of guilt, of getting right with others.

So I do not write this because of you, but for others who might read and understand the
spiritual divide that stands between us, that cannot be bridged unless one establishes a clean
heart. As Jesus says, unless you are born from on High, you cannot understand the things
of Christ or even listen to His voice.

again its all i i i.

Please if you want to pray do it in silence dont brag about it on the internent. (it sounds to me if your trying to prove your good.

This is probably down to someone or something as treated you bad for some reason i dont know.

But whatever your reason is for wanting to prove at every oppertunity that you are mr worthy and we are not is something that is hindering your walk just sayin.

Where there is a gate dont close it you should only open it when you know you can trust the people you are trying to prove your self more holy. BECAUSE YOU DONT KNOW THEM so why go to the efforst you do its because you have an ego problem. Which in almost every case it is because you or anybody else that has an ego problem its because of an an undelying problem of something like not feeling loved so in your retaliation you lash out at every oppertunity.

 

[JIMBO43]

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[JIMBO43]

Ok hears a question for you.

Did Our father in heaven come down to warn us about demons or was that something that happend a long the way.


Did our son warn us about demons yes or no.

Did our father worn us about demons yes or no

Do demons exist yes or no.

should we pray for the sinners yes or no.

Will that helps the sinners. yes , no , dont know >

Is it God will that my prayer for the release of demon spirits be released go un herd.

 

[JIMBO43]

Snd question is it possible that maybe hell is a place and state of mind that you walk round in limbo for the rest of eternity and every one knows it. because where there is no life there is no meaning.

 

[PeterJens]

I think I am a total quandry to you.
You cannot get a hold on anything so you are randomly coming out with
stuff.

Maybe the truth is your theology is wrong, and it is you who has to change.

 

[PeterJens]

This thread spells your attitude out which is mr i am which is a lie. you are not mr i am.

A very odd accusation, and clearly absurd.
"I am" is the name of God and I am merely a believer in Christ.

Is it worthwhile this approach, because it certainly has no sense or foundation?
God bless you my friend, I suppose you have a sense of humour, except it sounds
like you are trying to say something insightful but coming out with this.

 

[CS1]

Ok hears a question for you.

Did Our father in heaven come down to warn us about demons or was that something that happend a long the way.


Did our son warn us about demons yes or no.

Did our father worn us about demons yes or no

Do demons exist yes or no.

should we pray for the sinners yes or no.

Will that helps the sinners. yes , no , dont know >

Is it God will that my prayer for the release of demon spirits be released go un herd.

are you really serious about praying for demons? just thought I ask

 

[JIMBO43]

are you really serious about praying for demons? just thought I ask

no but prayer and fasting is the only way to rid some demons

 

[JIMBO43]

A very odd accusation, and clearly absurd.
"I am" is the name of God and I am merely a believer in Christ.

Is it worthwhile this approach, because it certainly has no sense or foundation?
God bless you my friend, I suppose you have a sense of humour, except it sounds
like you are trying to say something insightful but coming out with this.

theres only one reason why its absurd and that is because you dont realise that you quite clearly think you are mr i a am,, (which means your to far gone and cant be helped.)

 

[PeterJens]

theres only one reason why its absurd and that is because you dont realise that you quite clearly think you are mr i a am,, (which means your to far gone and cant be helped.)

I quite clearly know what Jesus said and did, that is enough for me.
So in your world to believe the cross makes us pure and Holy is too
much for you. The question I ask is why the unbelief?

So many in your group claim so much and fail so badly it's a wonder
anyone believes you. But then in a lawless world a lawless gosple
makes sense. I believe in the law of Christ fulfilled by love.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

theres only one reason why its absurd and that is because you dont realise that you quite clearly think you are mr i a am,, (which means your to far gone and cant be helped.)

there is always hope for everyone. Saul the pharisee of pharisees proves this. Never give up.. and never stop praying.

 

[PeterJens]

Love. Love God, love your neighbour, love your enemy, love each other as Christ
has loved you.

This has always been hard because of pain, vulnerability and disappointment.

How deep has Jesus gone into your heart?
I spoke once to someone who followed Christ, but they could not forgive some
people, pain was to be kept hidden, and if God took some things away from them
they would walk away.

This is unbelief in Christs love and ministry, healing, and knowledge of the Kingdom.
Without openning the door, letting Him in, you stay in the world, wounded and caught
not able to function properly. No amount of trying will help, only the Lord can resolve
these issues.

 

[JIMBO43]

I quite clearly know what Jesus said and did,.

What you really mean here is "take my bait. What your really saying here i dont know Jesus like you do and your right but only in one sence we are all diffrent and Jesus get to know people individualy.

that is enough for me.

Its not enough if you use his preachings for a selfish ambition.

So in your world.

Correct we are all in our own world each and everyone is eunique and the world is there oyster. Is this to much for you or can you even think out of your shell ?.

to believe the cross makes us pure and Holy is too
much for you.

WHOS US ? is it your spirit that is holy or your body or both ?.

The question I ask is why the unbelief?.

The unbelief of what exactly.

So many in your group claim so much.

This really is an ignorant statement,, whos group and why would we claim something we dint know what it ment.

and fail so badly it's a wonder.

Where all not worthy again i get it,, come on take tha bait IS WHAT YOU REALLY MEAN HERE.. yOU ARE QUITE SCARY AT TIMES WITH REAL VENOM YOU COULD HAVE A DEMON.

anyone believes you.

Your showing you true colour here mr demon would point the finger the way this statement does.

But then in a lawless world a lawless gosple
makes sense.

The hate just never stops flowing with you.

I believe in the law of Christ fulfilled by love.

How old are you because your back to the i i i me me me again dont you think this is a tad bit selfish.

There are many prayes in my statement here et if your still reading this thread im beginning to feel sick in my stomach with this one ill give it to God and discuss it with him .

 

[JIMBO43]

Love. Love God, love your neighbour, love your enemy, love each other as Christ
has loved you.

This has always been hard because of pain, vulnerability and disappointment.

How deep has Jesus gone into your heart?
I spoke once to someone who followed Christ, but they could not forgive some
people, pain was to be kept hidden, and if God took some things away from them
they would walk away.

Only God can forgive sins. while we may forgive them God may have some punishment for them.

This is unbelief in Christs love and ministry, healing, and knowledge of the Kingdom.
Without openning the door, letting Him in, you stay in the world, wounded and caught
not able to function properly. No amount of trying will help, only the Lord can resolve
these issues.

I rally am sick of your antics i think you should be banned from christian chat for being a hinderance to peoples walk.