New International Version 1984 2 Peter 1:5-11 For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love. For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But if anyone does not have them, he is nearsighted and blind, and has forgotten that he has been cleansed from his past sins. Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
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You should pay attention to everything I said...I made fun of nothing.....but rather made a direct point....a little leaven leavens the whole lump...a works based salvation is a false gospel and full of leaven which leavens the whole lump....and I made a direst reference to the SELF righteous false teachers that fill the airwaves and how they are......PAY ATTENTION to the word THOSE MEN.........
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
Such is about 98-99% of what you have said in your replies on this thread........Because you keep adding yourself to the equation....as in ME AND JESUS saved my soul.....I am such a righteous worker for JESUS....OH HOW I LOVE JEEEZUS......this is how those men identified as false teachers peddle their version of Jesus....
His sacrifice and faith is sufficient.......add to it...you water it down by your own failures!
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
His sacrifice and faith is sufficient.......add to it...you water it down by your own failures!
Why would I add anything to Christ, rather I respond to His glorious revelation.
His promise is to transform and deliver us into the Kingdom of Heaven.
And the guidance He provides is to obey His commands.
If what I am saying is what Jesus is saying, then why do you have problems
with Christs words?
Funnily enough everyone is saying this is what it is to walk with Christ to
make every effort, and you appear to want to do that also, so Amen.
I think again you think people are enemies but they are friends.
So either you are not what you claim to be, or you do not know
who your friends actually are.
make every effort, and you appear to want to do that also, so Amen.
I think again you think people are enemies but they are friends.
So either you are not what you claim to be, or you do not know
who your friends actually are.
New International Version 1984 Philippians 2:12-13,15-16 Shining as Stars Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose. so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe as you hold out the word of life—in order that I may boast on the day of Christ that I did not run or labor for nothing.
Who is doing the work...YOU or GOD?
Work out = fit out....Just like a soldier who is already a soldier WOULD ARM UP, FIT OUT to do the job.....
It is JESUS in you....not yourself....and EXACTLY WHY WORKS DO NOT SAVE, KEEP SAVED, or EMBELLISH SALVATION.....
NOW are we the SONS of GOD and it does not YET APPEAR WHAT WE SHALL BE!
Work out = fit out....Just like a soldier who is already a soldier WOULD ARM UP, FIT OUT to do the job.....
It is JESUS in you....not yourself....and EXACTLY WHY WORKS DO NOT SAVE, KEEP SAVED, or EMBELLISH SALVATION.....
NOW are we the SONS of GOD and it does not YET APPEAR WHAT WE SHALL BE!
Sorry if i missed your point but I'm sure God won't.
Just as Jesus does what He sees His Father doing ,so is His fellow workers.
New International Version 1984 John 14:10-12,15-17,21,23-24,28-29 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit “If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe.
Just as Jesus does what He sees His Father doing ,so is His fellow workers.
New International Version 1984 John 14:10-12,15-17,21,23-24,28-29 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you are not just my own. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves. I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father. Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit “If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe.
Dc repeating what we believe does not make converts, it suggests you
have missed something quite fundamental over which you want to convince
us. But what is it? Maybe you need sometime to think it over.
If Christ in your faith is so strong and can empower you to overcome sin,
why is this issue so contenous, or maybe you have not actually realised
it yet. Maybe you are walking in righteousness while condemning yourself
because you are listening to the lies of satan.
And if your faith is so weak you listen to the enemy so much, why should
I want to follow you into this tormented place, lol. Perhaps you should
put up adverts, come join us to be tormented by our consciences stoked
by our enemy or perhaps you have got things very wrong.
have missed something quite fundamental over which you want to convince
us. But what is it? Maybe you need sometime to think it over.
If Christ in your faith is so strong and can empower you to overcome sin,
why is this issue so contenous, or maybe you have not actually realised
it yet. Maybe you are walking in righteousness while condemning yourself
because you are listening to the lies of satan.
And if your faith is so weak you listen to the enemy so much, why should
I want to follow you into this tormented place, lol. Perhaps you should
put up adverts, come join us to be tormented by our consciences stoked
by our enemy or perhaps you have got things very wrong.
I think this will help? This is the view I hold to as I believe it to be accurate, the points below are good scripture summaries. Check the scripture quotes against what is being said and decide for yourselves. (Pardon the Old language but it was published ca. 1647).
II. These good works,done in obedience to God’s commandments, are the fruits and evidences of a true and lively faith ( c) and by them believers manifest their thankfulness,(d) strengthen their assurance,(e) edify their brethren,(f) adorn the profession of the Gospel,(g) stop the mouths of the adversaries,(h) and glorify God,(i) whose workmanship they are, created in Christ Jesus thereunto;(k) that, having their fruit unto holiness, they may have the end, eternal life.(l)
(c) James 2:18, 22.
(d) Ps.116:12, 13; I Pet. 2:9.
(e) I John2:3, 5; II Pet. 1:5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
(f) II Cor.9:2; Matt. 5:16.
(g) Tit. 2:5, 9, 10, 11, 12; ITim. 6:1.
(h) I Pet. 2:15.
(i) I Pet. 2:12; Phil.1:11; John 15:8.
(k) Eph. 2:10.
(l) Rom.6:22.
III. Their ability to do good works is not at all of themselves, but wholly from the Spirit of Christ.(m) And that they may be enabled thereunto, besides the graces they have already received, there is required an actual influence of the same Holy Spirit, to work in them to will and to do of His good pleasure ( n)yet are they not hereupon to grow negligent, as if they were not bound to perform any duty, unless upon a special motion of the Spirit; but they ought to be diligent in stirring up the grace of God that is in them.(o)
(m) John 15:4, 5; Ezek.36:26, 27.
Phil. 2:13; Phil. 4:13; II Cor.3:5.
(o) Phil. 2:12; Heb. 6:11, 12; II Pet.1:3, 5, 10, 11; Isa. 64:7; II Tim. 1:6; Acts26:6, 7; Jude ver. 20, 21.
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VI. Yetnotwithstanding, the persons of believers being accepted throughChrist, their good works also are accepted in Him,(u) not as thoughthey were in this life wholly unblamable and unreproveable in God’ssight;(w) but that He, looking upon them in His Son, is pleased toaccept and reward that which is sincere, although accompanied withmany weaknesses and imperfections.(x)
(u) Eph. 1:6; IPet. 2:5; Exod. 28:38; Gen. 4:4 with Heb.11:4.
(w) Job. 9:20; Ps. 143:2.
(x) Heb.13:20, 21; II Cor. 8:12; Heb. 6:10; Matt.25:21, 23.
VII. Works done by unregenerate men,although, for the matter of them, they may be things which Godcommands, and of good use both to themselves and othersy) yet,because they proceed not from a heart purified by faith;(z) nor aredone in a right manner according to the Word;(a) nor to a right end,the glory of God;(b) they are therefore sinful, and cannot pleaseGod, or make a man meet to receive grace from God.(c) And yet, theirneglect of them is more sinful, and displeasing untoGod.(d)
II Kings 10:30, 31; I Kings21:27, 29; Phil. 1:15, 16, 18.
(z) Gen.4:5 with Heb. 11:4; Heb. 11:6.
(a) I Cor.13:3; Isa. 1:12.
(b) Matt. 6:2, 5, 16.
(c) Hag.2:14; Tit. 1:15; Amos 5:22, 23; Hosea 1:4; Rom.9:16; Titus 3:5.
(d) Ps. 14:4; Ps. 36:3; Job21:14, 15; Matt. 25:41, 42, 43, 45; Matt.23:23.
(Taken from Ch 16, Weatminster Confession of Faith (almost the whole chapter)).
II. These good works,done in obedience to God’s commandments, are the fruits and evidences of a true and lively faith ( c) and by them believers manifest their thankfulness,(d) strengthen their assurance,(e) edify their brethren,(f) adorn the profession of the Gospel,(g) stop the mouths of the adversaries,(h) and glorify God,(i) whose workmanship they are, created in Christ Jesus thereunto;(k) that, having their fruit unto holiness, they may have the end, eternal life.(l)
(c) James 2:18, 22.
(d) Ps.116:12, 13; I Pet. 2:9.
(e) I John2:3, 5; II Pet. 1:5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
(f) II Cor.9:2; Matt. 5:16.
(g) Tit. 2:5, 9, 10, 11, 12; ITim. 6:1.
(h) I Pet. 2:15.
(i) I Pet. 2:12; Phil.1:11; John 15:8.
(k) Eph. 2:10.
(l) Rom.6:22.
III. Their ability to do good works is not at all of themselves, but wholly from the Spirit of Christ.(m) And that they may be enabled thereunto, besides the graces they have already received, there is required an actual influence of the same Holy Spirit, to work in them to will and to do of His good pleasure ( n)yet are they not hereupon to grow negligent, as if they were not bound to perform any duty, unless upon a special motion of the Spirit; but they ought to be diligent in stirring up the grace of God that is in them.(o)
(m) John 15:4, 5; Ezek.36:26, 27.
Phil. 2:13; Phil. 4:13; II Cor.3:5.(o) Phil. 2:12; Heb. 6:11, 12; II Pet.1:3, 5, 10, 11; Isa. 64:7; II Tim. 1:6; Acts26:6, 7; Jude ver. 20, 21.
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VI. Yetnotwithstanding, the persons of believers being accepted throughChrist, their good works also are accepted in Him,(u) not as thoughthey were in this life wholly unblamable and unreproveable in God’ssight;(w) but that He, looking upon them in His Son, is pleased toaccept and reward that which is sincere, although accompanied withmany weaknesses and imperfections.(x)
(u) Eph. 1:6; IPet. 2:5; Exod. 28:38; Gen. 4:4 with Heb.11:4.
(w) Job. 9:20; Ps. 143:2.
(x) Heb.13:20, 21; II Cor. 8:12; Heb. 6:10; Matt.25:21, 23.
VII. Works done by unregenerate men,although, for the matter of them, they may be things which Godcommands, and of good use both to themselves and others
y) yet,because they proceed not from a heart purified by faith;(z) nor aredone in a right manner according to the Word;(a) nor to a right end,the glory of God;(b) they are therefore sinful, and cannot pleaseGod, or make a man meet to receive grace from God.(c) And yet, theirneglect of them is more sinful, and displeasing untoGod.(d) II Kings 10:30, 31; I Kings21:27, 29; Phil. 1:15, 16, 18.(z) Gen.4:5 with Heb. 11:4; Heb. 11:6.
(a) I Cor.13:3; Isa. 1:12.
(b) Matt. 6:2, 5, 16.
(c) Hag.2:14; Tit. 1:15; Amos 5:22, 23; Hosea 1:4; Rom.9:16; Titus 3:5.
(d) Ps. 14:4; Ps. 36:3; Job21:14, 15; Matt. 25:41, 42, 43, 45; Matt.23:23.
(Taken from Ch 16, Weatminster Confession of Faith (almost the whole chapter)).
My view...
Men are saved by faith through Grace without any merit of their own
Works do not save, keep saved and or embellish salvation which is a once for all act
After a period of growth and maturity a believer will produce fruit or works
The works or fruit is Jesus through us as a living sacrifice
Believers who are faithful will have works of gold, silver and precious stones (abundant entrance into the kingdom)
Believers who are not faithful will have works of wood, hay and stubble (saved but shamed in God's kingdom)
At the end of the day...salvation, justification, sanctification (positionally) and being sealed of the H.S> are the result of saving faith which acknowledges JESUS void of any human merit or work
A man is justified before God by faith without works
A man's faith is seen before men by works
Men are saved by faith through Grace without any merit of their own
Works do not save, keep saved and or embellish salvation which is a once for all act
After a period of growth and maturity a believer will produce fruit or works
The works or fruit is Jesus through us as a living sacrifice
Believers who are faithful will have works of gold, silver and precious stones (abundant entrance into the kingdom)
Believers who are not faithful will have works of wood, hay and stubble (saved but shamed in God's kingdom)
At the end of the day...salvation, justification, sanctification (positionally) and being sealed of the H.S> are the result of saving faith which acknowledges JESUS void of any human merit or work
A man is justified before God by faith without works
A man's faith is seen before men by works