DRUNK IN THE SPIRIT

[joaniemarie]

I always appreciate your opinion brother,but let me share this and tell me what you think.My aunt,years ago when she was a young woman,had very bad nerve problems. So bad that they put her in the mental ward at the hospital. That traumatized her so much that they had to take her back home. She was a shy person and they just could find no help for her. One night at church her cousin was singing. The Holy Spirit fell at that moment and she jumped from her seat and danced around the entire church,my mother was there as a witness. She never had nerve issues again,she was delivered. She was able to move a thousand miles from her home,marry and raise two children.A woman they thought would have to be institutionalized her whole life. Im not for fads,Im not for show.But I know God moves and the Spirit falls and it may seem out of line,but if we test the Spirit we can know if it is false or not.My aunt was delivered that night,no doubt about it.


No doubt the joy in your aunt's heart at what the Holy Spirit had done just overflowed!! Living waters flow from out of our bellies or inner most selves. Those of us who have experienced this know well how the joy of the Lord is our strength and consolation. How He can cause us to want to "mount up with wings as eagles and run and not be weary"
Isaiah 40:31King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]31 [/SUP]But they that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.


Isaiah 40:31Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)

[SUP]31 [/SUP]But those who wait for the Lord [who expect, look for, and hope in Him] shall change and renew their strength and power; they shall lift their wings and mount up [close to God] as eagles [mount up to the sun]; they shall run and not be weary, they shall walk and not faint or become tired.

I especially like the way the Amplified Bible puts this. Sounds like your Aunt had such an experience. But isn't it a sad thing for those of us who grew up in a more subdued religious atmosphere? Many Christians find it hard to show emotion about the greatness of our God. Even to the degree of fearing any kind of showing or sharing emotion is a loss of control. Any kind of giving over to Him with the freedom of knowing He can be trusted.

When the Holy Spirit is here, we will overcome those fears and be able to raise our voices in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs and our hands in praise and worship without fear or doubt it is not from Him.

Eph.5:19
Ephesians 5:19Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC)

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Speak out to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, offering praise with voices [[SUP][a][/SUP]and instruments] and making melody with all your heart to the Lord,

 

[Enow]

I always appreciate your opinion brother,but let me share this and tell me what you think.My aunt,years ago when she was a young woman,had very bad nerve problems. So bad that they put her in the mental ward at the hospital. That traumatized her so much that they had to take her back home. She was a shy person and they just could find no help for her. One night at church her cousin was singing. The Holy Spirit fell at that moment and she jumped from her seat and danced around the entire church,my mother was there as a witness. She never had nerve issues again,she was delivered. She was able to move a thousand miles from her home,marry and raise two children.A woman they thought would have to be institutionalized her whole life. Im not for fads,Im not for show.But I know God moves and the Spirit falls and it may seem out of line,but if we test the Spirit we can know if it is false or not.My aunt was delivered that night,no doubt about it.

What made you think the Holy Spirit fell on her for God to heal her? When the Holy Spirit is already in her, why fall on her again? How do you not know if singing melodies to the Lord lift those spirits afflicting her body for good as David sang to King Saul to lift those dark spirits over his mind whenever he sang? As King Saul listened to the music, so did your aunt; different afflictions and different results; but same method.

 

[samuel23]

Why do Pentecostals always talk about the spirit? In the NT letters the main subject was God the Father and Jesus His Son. Get this straight...if that woman was healed she was healed by Father God through Jesus His Son. Jesus said that the Spirit would not speak of Himself, that means that Father God through Jesus made the decision to heal that woman. Since Pentecostalism is practically overrun with false spirits that are being called the Holy Spirit, it would be much better to be scriptural and place one's faith in Father God and Christ and in so doing you will have the real Holy Spirit.

 

[Stephen63]

I would offer. God knows our thoughts before they come to our lips. I believe it is how he wrote the scriptures putting his words in the mouth of the prophets.

Jeremiah give a example.

Then the LORD put forth his hand, and touched my mouth. And the LORD said unto me, Behold, I have put my words in thy mouth.See, I have this day set thee over the nations and over the kingdoms, to root out, and to pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build, and to plant.Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Jeremiah, what seest thou? And I said, I see a rod of an almond tree.Then said the LORD unto me, Thou hast well seen: for I will hasten my word to perform it. Jer 1:9

Praying in a tongue today seeing God is no longer bring new prophecy as a revelation it would be adding to the word of God .

There is no language hid from him. When Peter spoke in his own dialect, God interpreted into the other languages.The gift is God interpreting not men making sounds that they themselves do not know the meaning of .

Again he knows the thoughts of our heart, therefore attempting to pray in a tongue with words that have no meaning to those who pray would be fruitless to the believer.

There are many prayers in the Bible to include prayers of David, Solomon ,etc. As those men prayed they were guided by the Holy Spirit to say the words that are written down in the Bible, the word of God .While they prayed God used them to write the scriptures . In those prayers he would reveal himself by the prayer. When David would say in prayer ; before I was born you knew me in the womb. It was not something David thought up.

Likewise today if someone claims to be praying in a tongue inspired by the Holy Spirit then that paryer would just as certainly be the word of God as are the prayers in the bible. If any man thinks he is receiving a revelation from God ,in a dream or a tongue or a vision in that sense they would be adding to the Bible The principle found in revelation 22:18 will be violated by anyone who attempts to pray in a tongue.

Our confidence come from the scriptures the living abiding word of God .Tongues are a sign for those who believe not.

Prophecy for those who do believe .We walk by faith the unseen not by sight after some work we could do outwardly ..

1Cor 14:18I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all;

Paul was teaching the proper use of tongues.

Sooo..... with your "traditional standard" of "speaking in tongues adds to the Bible" rule, please explain how all those times Paul speaking in tongues "more than they all" added to the Bible.

Either prove it, or withdraw it as a false teaching.

 

[Enow]

1Cor 14:18I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all;

Paul was teaching the proper use of tongues.

Sooo..... with your "traditional standard" of "speaking in tongues adds to the Bible" rule, please explain how all those times Paul speaking in tongues "more than they all" added to the Bible.

Either prove it, or withdraw it as a false teaching.

Paul did not teach that tongues would serve as a sign to already saved believers that they have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Paul did not preach tongues as a prayer language of the Holy Spirit if he is the one that is praying that someone would interpret the tongue he is saying, thus tongues is to be interpreted because he gave no exceptions like....if there is no interpretation, then it must be prayer time for the Holy Spirit as I have done and so let every one speak in tongues now as the Spirit gives utterance." Read that anywhere? No.

And yet because Paul speaks in tongues more than you all as implying that tongues can be used as a prayer language is also inferring that he speaks in tongues as a prayer language among them for them to know that, but not so.

BECAUSE verse 28 has Paul telling any one that speaks that comes with no interpretation, to be silent.

WHOAH. Paul telling the Holy Spirit to be silent when it must be prayer time for Him?

Now that is proof that you are not applying Paul's words rightly to see that the whole chapter was about exhorting believers that if they seek spiritual gifts, they should seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts and began to explain WHY by comparing the gift of prophecy against the gift of tongues that prophesy is better because it is a stand alone gift whereas tongues are not BECAUSE it has to come with interpretation for it is always of other men's lips to speak unto the people & NOT a prayer language.

 

[Stephen63]

Why do Pentecostals always talk about the spirit? In the NT letters the main subject was God the Father and Jesus His Son. Get this straight...if that woman was healed she was healed by Father God through Jesus His Son. Jesus said that the Spirit would not speak of Himself, that means that Father God through Jesus made the decision to heal that woman. Since Pentecostalism is practically overrun with false spirits that are being called the Holy Spirit, it would be much better to be scriptural and place one's faith in Father God and Christ and in so doing you will have the real Holy Spirit.

Samuel23, you misunderstand..... Jesus healed no one without the Holy Spirit in action.

Jesus is our example, that we should follow His steps. Jesus also said the church would do more works than Him, because He went back to the Father.

Jesus laid aside His glory as God, so he could receive the Spirit when John baptized Him.

Yes, Jesus did only what He saw His Father do..... by the power of the Holy Spirit. That's the only way christians could follow His steps.

The church didn't become God to do the works of Jesus..... Jesus became man to be an example & lead the way.

 

[Stephen63]

Paul did not teach that tongues would serve as a sign to already saved believers that they have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Paul did not preach tongues as a prayer language of the Holy Spirit if he is the one that is praying that someone would interpret the tongue he is saying, thus tongues is to be interpreted because he gave no exceptions like....if there is no interpretation, then it must be prayer time for the Holy Spirit as I have done and so let every one speak in tongues now as the Spirit gives utterance." Read that anywhere? No.

And yet because Paul speaks in tongues more than you all as implying that tongues can be used as a prayer language is also inferring that he speaks in tongues as a prayer language among them for them to know that, but not so.

BECAUSE verse 28 has Paul telling any one that speaks that comes with no interpretation, to be silent.

WHOAH. Paul telling the Holy Spirit to be silent when it must be prayer time for Him?

Now that is proof that you are not applying Paul's words rightly to see that the whole chapter was about exhorting believers that if they seek spiritual gifts, they should seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gifts and began to explain WHY by comparing the gift of prophecy against the gift of tongues that prophesy is better because it is a stand alone gift whereas tongues are not BECAUSE it has to come with interpretation for it is always of other men's lips to speak unto the people & NOT a prayer language.

I never said tongues wasn't used as a prayer language. It's used as both a prayer language and as a gift to edify the body of Christ.

Paul says tongues + interpretation equals prophecy, but only with both.

Yes, he said it's better to prophesy. Go back to Acts 2 & find out why all the church should be active in one way or another in the gift prophecy. It's waaay bigger than the Pentecostals or the nominal churches ever understood.

 

[Stephen63]

BTW, either way tongues are used, christians are commanded to pray that they interpret for the sake of understanding.

 

[kaylagrl]

If she danced BECAUSE God had delivered her then that is great, if she danced to be delivered then that is another story.

She danced as she was being delivered when the Spirit fell. So I believe it was the former.

 

[kaylagrl]

What made you think the Holy Spirit fell on her for God to heal her? When the Holy Spirit is already in her, why fall on her again? How do you not know if singing melodies to the Lord lift those spirits afflicting her body for good as David sang to King Saul to lift those dark spirits over his mind whenever he sang? As King Saul listened to the music, so did your aunt; different afflictions and different results; but same method.

Oh I agree the Holy Spirit was in her,and upon her. When the Spirit moved upon her during the music she danced and she was healed.

 

[kaylagrl]

Why do Pentecostals always talk about the spirit? In the NT letters the main subject was God the Father and Jesus His Son. Get this straight...if that woman was healed she was healed by Father God through Jesus His Son. Jesus said that the Spirit would not speak of Himself, that means that Father God through Jesus made the decision to heal that woman. Since Pentecostalism is practically overrun with false spirits that are being called the Holy Spirit, it would be much better to be scriptural and place one's faith in Father God and Christ and in so doing you will have the real Holy Spirit.

Ya,so you have a beef with Pentecostals,should have said that up front. Of course the Lord healed my aunt. The Spirit moved,God healed.Simple.

 

[samuel23]

Pentecostals try to make Jesus subservient to the Spirit, since much of what goes on in Pentecostal meetings is the spirit of Satan, they are actually removing God from His rightful place and replacing God with Satan. Note, I did not say EVERYTHING that goes on in Pentecostalism is of Satan, if that were so then their would be no Pentecostal churches. Jesus was specific that the Spirit He would send would NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF, but would glorify Jesus.

 

[samuel23]

Hi Kay, I believed your story, it was a great story, however were you saying that she was healed because she danced, or did she dance because she was healed? It really makes a big difference, Pentecostalism would teach that she danced therefore she was healed(the glory to Pentecostalism), the true Christian faith would teach that she was healed by God(glory to God) therefore she danced.

 

[Stephen63]

Pentecostals try to make Jesus subservient to the Spirit, since much of what goes on in Pentecostal meetings is the spirit of Satan, they are actually removing God from His rightful place and replacing God with Satan. Note, I did not say EVERYTHING that goes on in Pentecostalism is of Satan, if that were so then their would be no Pentecostal churches. Jesus was specific that the Spirit He would send would NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF, but would glorify Jesus.

You do understand that in order to say that, you would have had to been in every Pentecostal church to witness it firsthand..... otherwise, you're a false witness.

 

[Blain]

Pentecostals try to make Jesus subservient to the Spirit, since much of what goes on in Pentecostal meetings is the spirit of Satan, they are actually removing God from His rightful place and replacing God with Satan. Note, I did not say EVERYTHING that goes on in Pentecostalism is of Satan, if that were so then their would be no Pentecostal churches. Jesus was specific that the Spirit He would send would NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF, but would glorify Jesus.

There is a difference between being delusional and having the spirit of satan, in their ignorance most not all but alot of the ones I have seen and been to truly believe all this is of God not realizing they would make a fantastic comedy show

 

[Enow]

I never said tongues wasn't used as a prayer language. It's used as both a prayer language and as a gift to edify the body of Christ.

For clarity sake....

That is the reproof; tongues cannot be used as a prayer language. It is only of other men's lips to speak unto the people. That is the real God's gift of tongues. If it comes with no interpretation or is not understood by a foreigner, but is just vain & profane babbling, then it is not God's gift of tongues.

Paul says tongues + interpretation equals prophecy, but only with both.

Correct. Not once did Paul give an exception as to when tongues comes with no interpretation when in verse 28 of 1 Corinthians 14th chapter, he is telling when one speaks in tongues without interpretation, he is to be silent.... and yet he forbid not to speak in tongues? That means tongues should never come without interpretation as it is of other men's lips to speak unto the people. Tongues coming without interpretation are made to be silent whereas we are not to forbid tongues when it does comes with interpretation.

Yes, he said it's better to prophesy. Go back to Acts 2 & find out why all the church should be active in one way or another in the gift prophecy. It's waaay bigger than the Pentecostals or the nominal churches ever understood.

Unfortunately, this tongue that Pentecostal & Charismatics are promoting comes by seeking to receive the Holy Spirit as if that is done separate from salvation or seen as receiving another baptism of the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues which neither is of Him.

This is the apostasy spoken of as they use tongues as a sign FIR believers as PROOF that they have received that Holy Spirit, and tongues were never meant to serve as a sign to believers, but understood in other men's lips in speaking unto the people like in Acts 2.

1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]20 [/SUP]Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.[SUP]21 [/SUP]In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe............[SUP]32 [/SUP]And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.[SUP]33 [/SUP]For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

P.S. The large print is for easier to read by posters that need it that size; I hope you are not seeing me as yelling at you or something. Just sharing the truth in His words in reproving the works of darkness by Him.

 

[Enow]

You do understand that in order to say that, you would have had to been in every Pentecostal church to witness it firsthand..... otherwise, you're a false witness.

When they use tongues as a prayer language because it does not come with interpretation, then it is of the devil, because God's actual gift of tongues has to come with interpretation.

They get that tongue by the experience of what they believe is the Holy Spirit coming over them later on in life even though they have been believers for a long time AND others say of that supernatural experience that it is ANOTHER baptism with the Holy Spirit with evidence of tongues to lead other believers t seek after in receiving Him, if not for the second time after a sign of that tongue which NEVER comes with interpretation.

Do you smell a rat yet?

Why would God mimic a supernatural tongue in the world that is just vain and profane babbling wherein no interpretation is possible? How can God call them away from their familiar spirits and that tongue it brings if the Holy Spirit supposedly does the same thing?

How can you discern if one claims to be a former Voodooist but now a christian believer, does the same supernatural tongue when believers do it too as coming with no interpretation?

How can a born again former voodooist witness to those in voodooism to come out of it, to the Son for eternal life, when they see him doing the same kind of tongues as before?

How is that proving all things and abstaining from all appearances of evil? It's not.

1 Thessalonians 5:[SUP]21 [/SUP]Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.[SUP]22 [/SUP]Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Believers are falling away from the faith in seeking to receive the Holy Spirit later on in life after a sign of tongues that never comes with interpretation, denying Him as dwelling within them by faith in Jesus Christ.

That is why I say tongues without interpretation is NOT of Him at all.

 

[Grace777x70]

Pure spiritual ignorance gone to seed. I see where in another thread you said the same thing - that those that speak in tongues without an interpretation is of the devil. Is it possible to be more spiritually ignorant of the Spirit of God and to condemn 100's of millions of your brethren that speak daily to their loving Father in devotional prayer to Him?

Until you see that there is a devotional private prayer side to tongues - you will remain ignorant of this spiritual truth and you will be falsely claiming that it is the devil when our brethren are speaking to their Father.

1 Corinthians 14:2 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries.

Prayer is always to God.

1 Corinthians 14:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful.

1 Corinthians 14:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also.

 

[popeye]

What made you think the Holy Spirit fell on her for God to heal her? When the Holy Spirit is already in her, why fall on her again? How do you not know if singing melodies to the Lord lift those spirits afflicting her body for good as David sang to King Saul to lift those dark spirits over his mind whenever he sang? As King Saul listened to the music, so did your aunt; different afflictions and different results; but same method.

You really hate the Holy Spirit don' t you?
You start thread after thread on how charismatics such as myself are from satan.

You attribute the works of the Holy Spirit as coming from the devil.

You seem to love spreading your false lies about the Holy Spirit and the body of Christ,his bride.

I truly believe you have come to this forum from satan. You are filled with hate,and are a man on a mission to smear Jesus' bride and the Holy Spirit.

 

[popeye]

Instead of drunkenness, remain filled with the Spirit as in maintaining the fruit of the Spirit that is called temperance which is self control. This is not the empowerment nor the refreshing at salvation, but the call to remain sober. There is no supernatural event to remain sober. It is a call NOT to be drunk with wine wherein there is excess, but there is no excness whwn it comes to the Spirit because being filled with the Spirit means you are filled with the Spirit; not seeking to be filled with the Spirit.

Otherwise, every time a believer sins, they should seek to be filled with the Spirit, but HOLD ON there, we can never tell if they really are when they are drunk with the Spirit. That makes sense? Does that abstain from all appearances of evil when God mimic the works of the flesh? Where is the fruit of self control when it is GONE when drunk in the Spirit?

So let's STOP reading into the text what is obviously a call to be sober.

It even says that when the religious people such as yourself saw them,they thought they were full of wine.

Since you have never seen a move of God in power (you know,kinda like how those religious Jews saw those staggering around and falling down),you are just showing me that you want to kill something you do not understand.