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BeyondET · Feb 21, 2017

I must be, behind the times for my first thought was a, astronaut, and a yawning baboon.. hehehe..

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Hungry · Feb 21, 2017

I'm sensing frustration. Where in the Bible does it go through the messengers that God sends to determine what "kind" they are? People make the assumption that angels have no form. The Bible clearly states that they may be in our presence and we wouldn't even know it. What kind would that be? Angel means messenger, not spiritual being. There have been many people who are completely convinced that they have been abducted by aliens (from the heavens) inpregnated until the baby was removed and were later shown this child hybrid. Are they lying? Are they crazy? Does our understanding of scripture taint how we look at this? Could this be part of the big delusion that will confuse the elect? I hear what you are saying, no need for a recap. Please understand what I am saying. The Bible was written for a story to explain the history before the flood. Maybe the women were willing, maybe they were experimented on by heavenly visitors. There are scientists in labs right now making human animal hybrids just to see if they can. Look at Egyptian art. Maybe they are stories, maybe they are depictions of half man and half animal hybrids they saw. Same with Greek myths. Maybe there was something they saw. What about Baphomet, the half man half goat possessing both male and female parts. Who built the pyramids all over the world? Why is their pics of alien people with odd shaped heads, possible DNA double helix, and pine cones depicted in their art. What was the Tower of Babel really? If it was not possible to build a tower high enough because the bricks at the bottom wouldn't support the weight, why not let them fail. Maybe everything except the Bible is a work of fiction or maybe reality is more twisted than we know.

JIMBO43 · Feb 21, 2017

Magenta said:

I havent mentioned once that angels have you know whatsit with humans physicaly but what happens when a demon possessed man mates with a woman ? the possibilities are endless..

1 part of the spiritual D.N.A is passed down.. let the bible answer 14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: hBehold, the virgin shall conceive and bear ia Son, and shall call His name

jImmanuel.....

No sex happended here did it and here we have the spirit being born in a woman...

The bible clearly states that satans offspring will bite the heel of women..

the bible clearly states that the children of satan will keep on sinning....

Satan is an angel..

the gene of original sin gets passed down...

we are all born with a soul..

Tell me how is a soul born ????

When you can answer theese questions then you have every right to say its not possible for a spirit to create a spirit...

dcontroversal · Feb 21, 2017

BeyondET said:

Funny thing.....most foods are GMO's in this day and age....as in GENETICALLY MODIFIED.......so I fail to see the defense of any stance using odd shaped food....you can grow fruits and veggies in molds to make them appear oddly shaped or even human in appearance....what does that prove or disprove......not much!

BeyondET · Feb 21, 2017

dcontroversal said:

That is that automatic brain viewing thing of the human mind, our minds will sometimes take something from its memory and try to discribe what it's looking at. Most of the time we get it right then sometimes we don't. lol..

JosephsDreams · Feb 21, 2017

Magenta said:

Things to consider... seriously!

Nephilim existed before the sons of God took daughters of men as wives.

They were said to be heroes, men of renown.
KJV identifies them as giants while other texts merely say Nephilim.

God destroyed all flesh with the breath of life upon Earth except for Noah and
his family and the animals on the ark, because of the wickedness of human beings.

The earth was destroyed due to the wickedness of mankind, not angel hybrids.

Anakites were also very tall, as were Anakim, Emim, Rapha, and Rephaim.

Sons of God are those Who belong to Him by faith and allegiance.
Why would anyone call demonic angels such?
Those who are corrupt are explicitly said not to be His children.

Sons of God are identified in OT Scriptures as men, as well as NT Scriptures.

Angels are specifically said not to be given in marriage.
There is absolutely nothing to suggest angels have gender.

Do you seriously think men could rape angels? Those very same angels caused
men to go blind and rained down fire and brimstone to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah.

Angels are only ever depicted as manifesting in the likeness of men to do the will of God. There is not one single instance in the whole of Scripture where an angel is depicted manifesting as a human of its own free will to carry out its own perverted desires. Entertaining angels unawares cannot be taken to mean having coitus with them.

There are no commandments against having any dealings with angels.

If sexual relations with angels were possible then you might think there would be some commandment forbidding it, unless God thinks it is a okay. Does anyone really think God would condone such? Give your head a shake if you do. Scripture is silent, because it is not possible for humans and angels to have sex with each other.

Scripture is not silent on humans having sexual relations with animals.
There are at least four specific commandments concerning beastiality.

Procreation of species happens after each kind.

1st Corinthians 15:39

"All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

Oh M, M, M...
That is exactly the point.
These angels are evil.
They were disobeying God.
Like we do.
That is why they suffered.
Like we do

M, M, M...

JosephsDreams · Feb 21, 2017

Magenta said:

What about it? Giants existing does not mean they are the offspring of angels.

What do you mean by this? The evil of mankind is currently being restrained, you know. Do you really want to know how bad it can be? Do you think men are any better today? With the 32 billion dollar yearly sex slave industry with all its kidnapping and prostitution and pornography and pedophilia ad nauseum, would you really want to put forth the position that men are better now than they were a few thousand years ago? Do you overlook the fact that God promised not to drown the world again? Do you not see the foreshadowing of Christ's second coming, with the end of the age, herein? The end will come and the door will close and then the judgement. Evil shall be no more someday. Such a glorious day to look forward to!

Enoch was not originally included in canon. Nor is it considered canonical by most groups. Do your homework.

I could quote Frodo, but doing so does not mean he really existed.

Joseph, this is a ridiculous question, and you should know it.

LOL you are too funny. Get up close and personal with a bug to see how grotesque it is. Here:

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Is that the spawn of Satan? Some people would say yes! Is it unnatural simply
because it has distinctive features that could be said to be grotesque? Absolutely not.
Your line of reasoning does not hold up under scrutiny to be very rational or reasonable.

Just because some of us say angels cannot have sex with human beings, and we hold to the fact that Scripture explicitly states that creatures reproduce after their own kind, etc etc etc, does not mean we do not believe in the power of God, or miracles, or that demons wish to corrupt humanity. If you want to make a leap and go against what Scripture explicitly teaches, that is your choice.

The most important verse where the word “Nephilim” appears (Genesis 6:1-4),
is obscure and has produced numerous often contradictory interpretations.

You know before I came on to this site I was much taller.

sevenseas · Feb 21, 2017

dcontroversal said:

I hate GMO tomatoes. I don't like them either.

JosephsDreams · Feb 21, 2017

Hungry said:

Emphatic arguments about things that we have absolutely no way to be certain is intellectual dishonesty. All any of us can do is gather facts and guess. If you have determined that there is no validity to any hybrid species between human and non-human, you have ignored many historical discoveries and translation errors in the Bible. As well, huge assumptions have been fabricated about non-human beings.

All you have to do is change the understanding of one word and it completely rewrites human history. Elohim does not necessarily mean God the Father every time it was written in the Old Testament. We make it say that so scripture fits our logic. If you actually interpret it correctly it says gods, plural. In order to fit it to our belief we say it means God of gods. Either way, it implies that our Heavenly Father is not alone. In no way am I saying He is not unique and our Master but to determine that people all over the world bowed down to their imaginations is a stretch. There is a war in the heavens, but it is not spiritual alone. Sons of the gods are what the Bible claims took the daughters of men as wives. There may be actual flesh and blood non-humans that walk among us referred to in the Bible. Whether you choose to believe it or not is your decision. All we should do is bring possibilities to the table to discuss because none of us really know.

Is it possible to give a half like?

JosephsDreams · Feb 21, 2017

Hungry said:

I'm located in Windsor, Ontario, south of Detroit, Mich. We don't get ice that reliable. My understanding was that ice fishing trips were expeditions that some men take to temporarily escape their crappy marriages. I can't imagine any other reason for freezing your butt off in solitude. I'm not there....yet.

Hahahaha. Best laugh of my day !!
Thanks

JosephsDreams · Feb 21, 2017

John146 said:

More proof of then fallen angels copulating with earth woman. If angels were men and woman the verse would have said they found the daughters of men beautiful to behold AND the sons of woman real hunks.

Hungry · Feb 21, 2017

JosephsDreams said:

I think you just did.

BeyondET · Feb 21, 2017

Hungry said:

Emphatic arguments about things that we have absolutely no way to be certain is intellectual dishonesty. All any of us can do is gather facts and guess. If you have determined that there is no validity to any hybrid species between human and non-human, you have ignored many historical discoveries and translation errors in the Bible. As well, huge assumptions have been fabricated about non-human beings.

All you have to do is change the understanding of one word and it completely rewrites human history. Elohim does not necessarily mean God the Father every time it was written in the Old Testament. We make it say that so scripture fits our logic. If you actually interpret it correctly it says gods, plural. In order to fit it to our belief we say it means God of gods. Either way, it implies that our Heavenly Father is not alone. In no way am I saying He is not unique and our Master but to determine that people all over the world bowed down to their imaginations is a stretch. There is a war in the heavens, but it is not spiritual alone. Sons of the gods are what the Bible claims took the daughters of men as wives. There may be actual flesh and blood non-humans that walk among us referred to in the Bible. Whether you choose to believe it or not is your decision. All we should do is bring possibilities to the table to discuss because none of us really know.

That's quite interesting and were in the OT does Elohim mean something else than God plural.. Hebrews meaning is "the strong one" but as far as I see everytime Elohim is mentioned it's a reference to God singular.

What verse or verses have you seen it being used wrongly or should be used to discribe more than plural??

dcontroversal · Feb 21, 2017

sevenseas said:

Yeah....My cousin plants GMO Soybeans etc......All of these GMO products, pesticides, herbicides, growth hormones in cattle, hogs, chickens ETC.....no wonder the bees are disappearing, cancer rates rising, 13 year old girls look 21......You know...Noah was JUST and the word applied means Just or Lawful and comes from a root word which is causative and means to make right in a moral or FORENSIC SENSE......

To me one of the biggest things overlooked in Genesis 6 is the last part of verse 12....

for ALL FLESH HAD CORRUPTED HIS WAY upon the earth......ALL is conclusive of ALL when used in context, yet NOAH is seen as JUST in a MORAL and FORENSIC SENSE.....

What can I conclude about the words ALL FLESH being corrupted <--this word means to cause to RUIN, to CORRUPT, spoil or waste......

The verbiage is clear........and points to genetic manipulation and flesh being ruined and corrupted in a moral and forensic SENSE!

JosephsDreams · Feb 21, 2017

Magenta said:

Your imagination and mind is fenced in. In doing that your limiting in your mind the very power of God Himself.
He can do anything. That includes giving angels the power to abuse through their free will, like mankind, and if that includes procreating with woman, well then that too.

If you don't like it, or think he is limited, then take it up with God.
Good luck. I will say a pray for you with that conversation.

JosephsDreams · Feb 21, 2017

I find it absolutely flabbergasting the lack of imagination and the limitations some here are putting on Gods power and majesty and grace.

If our scientists and poets constrained themselves like some here are doing we still be living in the dark ages.

Hungry · Feb 21, 2017

BeyondET said:

Go to Strong translation of words or an online Strongs translation King James Bible and you can just coast over the words with the mouse and they give you the meaning individually. El singular, Elohim, plural. That's why you get all of the places and names with El, like Emmanu-el, God with us. You can see in some verses it says God and then Lord. When you look up the actual text if you read the words before translated, God is used for Elohim (gods) and Lord is substituted for Yahovah. Sometimes it really changes what the sentence can mean.

sevenseas · Feb 21, 2017

dcontroversal said:

I'm about a 1/3 of the way through the Missler video

He points out that Noah was dna pure as this verse illustrates (from Gen 6)

[FONT=&quot]These are the generations of Noah. Noah was a righteous man, [/FONT]and[f]perfect in his generations: Noah walked with God.

I believe he quotes from the Hebrew on this as well

about gross mutated tomatoes

I first noticed this a few years back, slicing into a tomatoe for lunch; the thing had a hook growing into the tomatoe from the stem and it extended more than half way through the thing. Yuckity yuck yuck. I love tomatoes but no thank you. Glad they are so easy to grow.

samuel23 · Feb 21, 2017

Hi Willbob & Magenta; You approach the bible from a very different perspective then I do. I actually had a thread on this, I think it was literal or hypothetical interpretation of the bible. I accept literal and in context as I would any other writing, therefore I arrive at a position that has the most obvious actual evidence. Obviously you two do not approach the bible in that manner, it seems like you choose a position and then seek places in the bible to support that position, also you are not immune to taking scriptures out of context in order to booster your chosen position. The bible gives us a line of males from Adam to Noah and they are identified by their human fathers except for Adam who was the son of God because he was created and did not have a human father. Following all that we are told that the "sons of God"(the context declaring no human fathers) looked on the daughtesr of men(declaring that they had human fathers) and they saw that they were functional(they could have sex with them) and their sons were mighty men of renown. Then Jude tells us of angels who kept not their first estate but left their own habitation are reserved in everlasting chains..even as Sodom, giving themselves over to fornication. The only unanswered question is how could angels have sex, to that I say, we really know very little about angels or the world that exist in Heaven.

prove-all · Feb 21, 2017

BeyondET said:

Gen 1:1 In the beginning God H430
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אלהים
'ĕlôhı̂ym
el-o-heem'

Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus,
especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of
deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding,
God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

The Hebrew word translated ‘God’ is Elohim—a noun or name, plural in form,
but normally singular in grammatical usage. It is the same sort of word as family,
church, group—one family consisting of two or more members—
like one church composed of many members—one group of several persons.

It is referring to precisely the same Persons, making up or composing the one God,
as we find in John 1:1—the Word [and] God—and each of those two Persons is God”

The Word in John 1 is translated from the Greek word Logos and means “Spokesman.”
Prior to becoming the Son, He was the Word. By Him, “all things were made”
Ephesians 3:9 says, “…God, who created all things by Jesus Christ.”

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God

Yet at that prehistoric time of the first verse of John 1, the Word was not (yet) the
Son of God. He divested himself of His glory as a spirit divinity to be begotten as
a human person. He was made God’s Son, through being begotten or sired by God
and born of the virgin Mary.

And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit
of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:Romans 1:4 (KJV)

Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named, ..Ephesians 3:15 (KJV)

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