Your not the first to say that all that lol
Blain, I think your brain malfunctioned for a moment. lol I couldn't understand that.
Your not the first to say that all that lol
To be honest, sometimes I don't know what He sees. I know some parts of His word in regard to this question, but sometimes I just wonder, "Why me? Did you really choose me? Do you know what you're doing? You chose me... are you sure?" I know according to His word I am His son, I am loved, and that He doesn't condemn me. However, when I see myself now in comparison to where He is taking me I am saddened at my current state.
No I don't keep going to how we see ourselves because like I said we are blind we do not truly see, what I keep coming to is how God sees us and how he wants us to look through his eyes not ours. He wants us to look at ourselves through his eyes not ours you keep thinking it's about self but it's not it's about himI would remind them that God chose them to have himself a people who will worship and enjoy him forever.
You keep coming at this with the center being how we see ourselves. If you keep working towards humility or you keep thinking yourself a scoundrel of the lowliest of people, what is the difference? Either one focuses on self. What we focus on is where we'll end up.
I've got self. I know self. Self sucks!
I got something better. God. Why not focus on him?
I'm beginning to think this is the doctrinal problem. The difference between Arminianism and reformed. I know many Christians -- here on this forum and off this forum. The ones who keep focusing on self seems to be forever stuck banging their heads against the wall trying to figure out self. Why? All that does is bring us back to either thinking we're great or we royally suck. Nothing changes there. The ego will always keep us wherever we think we belong.
GOD is the difference. He is the purpose of life. He is the focus. He is the one who works all things out. Focus on that, and we get somewhere... closer to his purpose for us. Not closer to who we already are whether we know who we are or are still trying to figure it out.
New Christian? Intermediate Christian? Advanced Christian? Doesn't matter. It's about remembering to focus on God, (not us)!
I am not the ornery type more like the has to always learn the slow and hard way type lol good thing he is big on patience XDI'm guessing God sees me as an ornery 2 year old XDDD He still loves me, He still cherishes me, but I still make him sort of do that parental sigh
I read it fine. It's all about the great-and-powerful awesomely "YOU." God is the servant. "YOU" are the served.
You folks need to read #1 again. It's about seeing the way God sees. Not sure how anyone can disagree with that. The devotional is focusing on what God has done in Christ to and for us. It is DONE and can't be undone. It's sure and it's a fact. The problem is human issues get in the way when on the other hand.., faith issues can see the forest from the trees.
The sin of unbelief is the biggie.
Still self. How God sees you.No I don't keep going to how we see ourselves because like I said we are blind we do not truly see, what I keep coming to is how God sees us and how he wants us to look through his eyes not ours. He wants us to look at ourselves through his eyes not ours you keep thinking it's about self but it's not it's about him
I would remind them that God chose them to have himself a people who will worship and enjoy him forever.
You keep coming at this with the center being how we see ourselves. If you keep working towards humility or you keep thinking yourself a scoundrel of the lowliest of people, what is the difference? Either one focuses on self. What we focus on is where we'll end up.
I've got self. I know self. Self sucks!
I got something better. God. Why not focus on him?
I'm beginning to think this is the doctrinal problem. The difference between Arminianism and reformed. I know many Christians -- here on this forum and off this forum. The ones who keep focusing on self seems to be forever stuck banging their heads against the wall trying to figure out self. Why? All that does is bring us back to either thinking we're great or we royally suck. Nothing changes there. The ego will always keep us wherever we think we belong.
GOD is the difference. He is the purpose of life. He is the focus. He is the one who works all things out. Focus on that, and we get somewhere... closer to his purpose for us. Not closer to who we already are whether we know who we are or are still trying to figure it out.
New Christian? Intermediate Christian? Advanced Christian? Doesn't matter. It's about remembering to focus on God, (not us)!
You quote this same thing over & over & over & over.Hebrews 10:26 can be a stumbling block if we don't take the context in which this passage was written.
Some times well intentioned people take Hebrews 10:26-29 out of context with the book of Hebrews.
Anyone can take an isolated scripture out of it's context and say anything they want. Here is an example in the scripture below -
Ex 32:33. Anyone who has ever sinned is blotted out of God's book.
Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.
This is truly stated in the OT but it is not the ultimate statement of truth. The work of Jesus's finished work on the cross trumps what is said in Ex. 32:33.
Obviously we need to view all scripture through the finished work of Christ. We don't take obscure verses and discount the abundance of clear scriptures on what our Lord has done for us.
Hebrews 10 is talking about Jewish people after hearing about Christ for the only sacrifice for sins and rejecting it to go back to the temple sacrifices for their sins. Hebrews was written a few years before the temple system came crashing down in 70AD when it was trampled by the Roman army.
The "willful sinning" is after hearing the "knowledge" of the truth of Christ's sacrifice - those that go back to the temple sacrifices and do not receive Christ's work by faith - this is the wilful sinning being talked about - the rejection of Christ's sacrifice and blood for the forgiveness of all sins.
There is a vast difference between receiving the "knowledge" of the truth and "receiving the truth" which is Christ Himself.
Here is a short 2 minute video which will illuminate this clearly.
[video=youtube;yrc5EOpokSc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrc5EOpokSc[/video]
You quote this same thing over & over & over & over.
You use an absolute nobody to make an important statement about theology..... foolish.
Your statements are lies to support your false doctrine.
That scripture wasn't isolated..... all the context surrounded it.
As a matter of fact, it is you who posts the one-verse-wonders that puts false meaning on scripture, yet you blame others for your sins.
Psalm 101:7 He that works deceit shall not dwell within my house:he that tells lies shall not tarry in my sight.
Proverbs 6:16There are six things which the LORD hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
17Haughty eyes, a lying tongue,
And hands that shed innocent blood,
18A heart that devises wicked plans,
Feet that run rapidly to evil,
19A false witness who utters lies,
And one who spreads strife among brothers.
Rev. 21:8“But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
1. I don't believe in the sinless perfection doctrine that is spewed on CC. But you didn't know that. You did not discern such a little thing.1) Stephen this thread is not about your sinless doctrine preaching this is not a debate on sin it's about seeing yourself as God sees you which sadly many including me fail to do
2) if you persist to try to turn this thread into another war thread about sin I will not hesitate to report you
3) this si not your thread so please treat it as such
Sadly. However this thread started out beautiful it's an amazing insightful topic that honestly many of us need to learn and understand as it would help our growth so much to not just know what he sees when he looks at us but to believe it and to live it and I refuse to allow the sinless agenda to ruin yet another thread. If stephen or anyone else wants to debate this stuff then they need to go make their own thread not take over another persons that is just common courtesy
my issue is I tend to beat myself up and I have a very low self esteem of myself.
How can I expect others to believe what I can clearly see in them when I myself do not believe this of myself?
We are loved ones. Children, sheep in need of a Shepherd and we have Him, but many would not. Jesus said of Israel that He would have gathered them up in His wings like a mother hen but they would not.
From waay back when., God has been reaching out to man and man has turned his face "as it were". Yet God keeps reaching out to man. Why was David a man after God's own heart? David was a very bad selfish self centered man. Even to the degree of murdering an innocent man for selfish gain. David raised a bunch of selfish kids even. But David realized something many Christians don't. God loved him and kept after him. David kept on BELIEVING and going back to God. Kept on daring to go back to God and this pleases God because BELIEVING pleases Him.
All we have to do is read through the Bible to find out about these men and women of God. And yet God had His loving hand on each one from the very beginning. It's the 'sheep' who see themselves loved regardless that will live secure, joyful productive lives. A pastor gave a sermon on the apostle that Jesus loved. John was the apostle who called himself "the apostle Jesus Loved"
Read the Gospel of John and see. John was able to understand what so many of us don't. That personally despite what other people are going through., John could have tunnel vision when it came to Jesus love for him. Despite the goings on in the world and what happened or didn't to other people, John consistently focused on Jesus love for him. Peter on the other hand boasted about his love for Jesus and what happened to Peter? He denied Jesus. John on the other hand was entrusted with the care of Jesus mother.
There is a lesson to learn from these men. Believing that God loves us intimately and consistently is what will get us through. Just like the some of the other posters have said. When we think of ourselves we fall into depression and guilt. But when we rest in the fact that regardless of our own opinions about ourselves., God sees something different., we will be set free. But it's a practiced way to think. It doesn't come natural. We are human and much too busy doing what many have done here on this thread. Injecting ideas and human reasoning into the fact that Jesus loves me this I know., for the Bible tells me so.
Grace is not fair and it doesn't come our way by our deserving it. God's love comes because we don't deserve it. Maybe the reason so many Christians are seeing the blessings of God is because they actually do practice the love of God in Christ. Maybe they are doing the resting so God can do the working in their lives. Maybe they have ceased from their own works as Hebrews 4:10-11 instructs and grabbed hold of the spiritual truth that changes everything.[SUP]10 [/SUP]For the one who has once entered His rest has also rested from [the weariness and pain of] his [human] labors, just as God rested from [those labors uniquely] His own. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Let us therefore make every effort to enter that rest [of God, to know and experience it for ourselves], so that no one will fall by following the same example of disobedience [as those who died in the wilderness].
Phillips Translation gives the context of what happened to those in the camp who refused to enter in. Like today when we refuse to rest., we live such empty sorrow filled disappointed lives. Jesus has already done the work. We need to rest in it. But many will not. Many see the giants are TOO BIG and won't enter in. And even will stop others from entering in.
[SUP]-10 [/SUP]For if Joshua had given them the rest, we should not find God saying, at a much later date, “today”. There still exists, therefore, a full and complete rest for the people of God. And he who experiences his real rest is resting from his own work as fully as God from his.
[SUP]11-13 [/SUP]Let us then be eager to know this rest for ourselves, and let us beware that no one misses it through falling into the same kind of unbelief as those we have mentioned. For the Word that God speaks is alive and active; it cuts more keenly than any two-edged sword: it strikes through to the place where soul and spirit meet, to the innermost intimacies of a man’s being: it exposes the very thoughts and motives of a man’s heart. No creature has any cover from the sight of God; everything lies naked and exposed before the eyes of him with whom we have to do.