BEHOLD, THE BRIDEGROOM COMETH

abcdef · Feb 26, 2017

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If someone showed you the truth, would you turn away?

If the truth was different than what everyone else was saying, would you not want to hear any more because of the conflict?

If the the truth was bitter, and not so sweet as what you had thought, would you turn to hear those who tickle your ears instead?

And if you realized that Jesus might be coming, wouldn't you want to know more? Prove or disprove the claim?

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When Jesus was here, they looked for an earthly, flesh kingdom, with swords and arrows, how hard it must have been for them to accept a spiritual kingdom.

After all, the most educated people of their time (Saul/Paul) taught the opposite and by far were in the majority.

Even today the RCC is in the majority, so we know that numbers don't count, when it comes to knowing the truth.

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Jesus is coming,

He will be here exactly as it says at the 7 trumpet,

3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to the Kings of the East from across the Euphrates (Iran).

There is nothing that we can do to stop these events from taking place,

Because they the Word of God.

All we can do is preach and teach, and get ready by getting souls into the Ark of the Covenant of Jesus, Acts 2:38.

Ahwatukee · Feb 26, 2017

Good day abcdef,

While you are correct in that, Jesus' coming is imminent, he will not arrive at the 7th trumpet. For one, the 7th trumpet is not synonymous with the "last trumpet" of 1 cor.15:52. They are merely two different types of trumpets. The seven trumpets are all plagues of wrath from God and have no blessings associated with them. Also, scripture demonstrates that Jesus will not return to the earth to end the age until after the wrath of God has completed, which is after the 7th bowl has been poured out. For after the 6th bowl is poured out Jesus inserted the following:

"Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.”

All of the seals, trumpet and bowl judgments, which are in chronological order, must be fulfilled before the Lord returns to the earth to end the age.

tanakh · Feb 26, 2017

The seventh Trumpet is the last mention of any Trumpet being blown in the Bible. There is no other mention of a trumpet being blown again anywhere in Revelation after that one so by definition it has to be the last one.

The story of Joshua and the destruction of Jericho prefigures the second coming. God tells Joshua to march his army around Jericho for seven days blowing seven trumpets. At the last trumpet the City falls.

In this story Joshua represents Christ, Rahab represents the raptured Church and Jericho represents the world being judged.

The rapture and Judgement of the world occur simultaneously we meet him in the air when he comes in judgement

Sully · Feb 26, 2017

tanakh said:

The only thing that is constant is that everyone knows their opinion is the correct one. Statements are made in the absolute affirmative tense...That is the only real thing of substance I notice when it comes to this hour and prophecy.

abcdef · Feb 26, 2017

Sully said:

Welcome.

Get your Bible out.

Show me where I am wrong and I will thank you, as I have others in the past.

Show me where we agree, and I will thank you for that also.

So whether we agree, or disagree,

Let us be thankful for God's Word.

abcdef · Feb 26, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

Good day abcdef,

While you are correct in that, Jesus' coming is imminent, he will not arrive at the 7th trumpet. For one, the 7th trumpet is not synonymous with the "last trumpet" of 1 cor.15:52. They are merely two different types of trumpets. The seven trumpets are all plagues of wrath from God and have no blessings associated with them. Also, scripture demonstrates that Jesus will not return to the earth to end the age until after the wrath of God has completed, which is after the 7th bowl has been poured out. For after the 6th bowl is poured out Jesus inserted the following:

"Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed.”

All of the seals, trumpet and bowl judgments, which are in chronological order, must be fulfilled before the Lord returns to the earth to end the age.

My Brother,

Let me think on this tonight,

I'm tired.

God be with you.

abcdef · Feb 27, 2017

Ahwatukee said:

Both show resurrection,

1 Cor 15:52, "....the dead shall be raised..."

Rev 11:18, "...the time of the dead, that they should be judged,..."

There are only 2 resurrections, Jesus the first fruits, and those at His coming, then comes the end 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24.

I don't think that I said that they were blessings,

They are the withdrawing of blessings on the natural branches for rejecting the Pentecost Kingdom (church).

The withdrawing of blessing is meant to bring about repentance, that means Jesus still cares.

So it shows the withdrawing of God's love and blessing is not total, until the 7th trumpet.

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At the 7th trumpet there is a statement made,

Rev 11:15, "....The kingdoms of this world are are become the kingdoms of our Lord, ...."

This corresponds to Dan 2:35 where the stone, Jesus (not the kingdom), strikes the statue.

The statue is turned to chaff, which is the gentile nations who did not accept the Pentecost Kingdom of Israel (church).

The wheat is harvested and is assumed into the "new earth".

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In Rev 11:17, "....because you have taken your great power and begun to reign." (NIV)

When does Jesus take His great power and begin to reign?

Pick one or more. (for fun)

1. Upon His death

2. at His resurrection, the first fruits

3. At His taking up, to the Father Acts 1:11

4. Pentecost

5. The 2nd resurrection of 2, at His coming.

6. Mid trib

7. Post trib,, begin mill

8. End mill, eternity begins, Rev 21.

When does He take His great power and begin to reign?

Rev 19 is a prophecy of the victory over the sea beast, the Roman Empire.

It shows heaven opened and Jesus fighting Rome with the Word of God,

But it does not show Jesus returning to planet earth.

There is a remnant, the image of the beast, the earth beast.

Yes the 6th trumpet blew on 9/11/2001,

It set in motion the events of the 6th trumpet,

The drying up of Iraq to make way for Iran to attack Jerusalem.

Jesus tells that He is coming when this happens.

The seals and trumpets are in chronological order,

But the vials run at the same time as the trumpets, just on different groups.

Ahwatukee · Feb 27, 2017

No, they don't John! 1 Cor.15:52 has nothing to do with the 7th trumpet! All that you are doing is assigning the 7th trumpet as being the "last trumpet" and that just because of the word "trumpet." Within the context of the 7th trumpet you will not find any mention of a resurrection. All you are doing is misapplying scripture.

No, you didn't say that they were blessings. I said that the trumpet judgments were not blessings. My point is that, the trumpet judgments are events of wrath and you have associated the gathering of the church, which is a blessed event, with the wrath of God. Therefore, by claiming that the gathering of the church takes place at the 7th trumpet, you are saying that is a blessing. These are plagues of wrath, the church is not gathered at the 7th trumpet.

The other reason is that, by claiming that the church is gathered at the 7th trumpet, it would be putting the church through all of the seals and trumpet judgments of God's wrath, which we are not appointed to suffer.

Revelation 19:11-21 is a detailed account of the second coming of Jesus Christ when he returns to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom, which involves all of the nations of the earth. At that time the beast and the false prophet are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire, all of those kings, their generals, the might men and their armies and all of the people that the angels will have gathered, will be killed with that double-edged sword. Then at that time Satan will be bound in the Abyss during the Lord's thousand year reign.

No John, the bowl judgments do not run at the same time as the trumpets. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will take place in the same order they are listed in the book of Revelation, one after another.

"I saw in heaven another great and marvelous sign: seven angels with the seven last plagues—last, because with them God’s wrath is completed."

You see the scripture above John? It states that the seven bowl judgments are the last plagues, which complete God's wrath. If they are referred to as being the "last plagues of wrath" that means that other wrath would have to come before them, namely the seals and trumpet judgments. Neither the seals, trumpets or bowl judgment run at the same time. They may overlap, but they take place in chronological order just as they appear in Revelation. To be clear, the 1st seal, 1st trumpet and 1st bowl judgment do not run at the same time.

No John, the 6th trumpet has not yet blown. Scripture states that a third of the earth's population will be killed as a result of that trumpet and we not seen fatalities of that magnitude. Nor have we seen demonic being killing a third of the inhabitants via fire, smoke and sulfur issuing from their mouths. You have absolutely no fulfillment of these events.

popeye · Feb 27, 2017

abcdef said:

Nice post sir!!!

I gave you a rep

popeye · Feb 27, 2017

tanakh said:

The marriage in heaven is the game changer.

Half the church is left behind as is vividly depicted in mat 25. That is prejudgment,as in Noah and lot.

Noah returned from miles above the earth,back to earth post judgement.
Jesus return WITH HIS SAINTS post judgement.

tanakh · Feb 28, 2017

abcdef said:

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Jesus will come for the Pentecost kingdom 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to Iran and it's allies.

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This is based on 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24,

1. 1st resurrection.....Jesus and all the OT saints

The OT saints are seen with Jesus at the writing of the Revelation.

2. 2nd resurrection....Jesus comes for the Pentecost Kingdom.

The dead rise, we meet Him in the air.

3. The end....of the resurrections and this planet. Fire from heaven Rev 20, last judgement.

4. Death destroyed.....As shown in Rev 20:14-15.

5. The Kingdom is delivered up to the Father.......For the wedding.

6. Jesus submits to the Father to be all in all.

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Revelation is not one timeline.

The 7th trumpet (last), the 7th vial, and the fire from heaven in Rev 20, are all the same events.

(the 6th/7th seals show the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 ad, [Lk 23:28-30, 30, compared to Rev 6:12:17, 16])

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We are at the end of Revelation, not the beginning.

The events that are taking place in the Middle East are leading to the fall of Jerusalem to Iran (Kings of the East) and their allies (Russia, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Turkey, etc, it's a long list).

This is shown in Rev 20:2, as the dragon (Rome, Rev 12:3), deceiving Magog to surround Jerusalem. Also see Rev 16:12-16.

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As time goes by,

The situation will become clearer, if you have not realized it yet.

Jerusalem is going to fall to Iran.

3 1/2 days later will be the resurrection and the end of this planet.

When the resurrection takes place, if you are still here,

you will be killed by the fire from heaven.

There won't be any 2nd chances.

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To kick off Trump is backing Israel and has just announced a huge increase in the US defence budget which sounds ominous to me. Israel has nuclear weapons. One modest sized bomb would blow Teheran to bits and the Iranians know it.
According to Prophecy the attack on Israel happens when the Beast Kingdom exists and it doesn.t now

iamsoandso · Feb 28, 2017

abcdef said:

I notice you have several times referred to the drying up of the Euphrates(Iraq to you) making way for Iran to be able to attack. It makes me curious though have you ever researched/googled the military strength of Iran and compared it to Israel’s?

I ask this because comparing the two to each other it might not be such a smart move on Iran part to do this at this time(2017) why is that they have no(0) aircraft carriers so they would need to launch sorties from Iran(1,100 miles away) which would mean in-flight refuelling. The navy of Iran could not move from Iran to the Mediterranean sea without being detected and if it did somehow manage a naval attack most of their fleet is old technology. Then if they tried to move their tanks across Iraq,Jordan ect. they would need to be refuelled 10 or so times before reaching Israel. Even then,and this all depends on whether or not Russia and the U.S. become involved, Iran in a fight between the military of Israel,one on one would probably be measured in weeks if not days and why is that most of Israel’s military is current/new tech. and the vast majority of Iran’s is from the 70's and 80"s,so it would be overwhelming on the part of Israel.

abcdef · Feb 28, 2017

popeye said:

Brother Popeye,

The wedding cannot take place until the kingdom is delivered up to the Father.

But according to 1 Cor 15:23-28, the kingdom is not delivered up to the Father until after death is destroyed.

This would put the wedding in Rev 21:2, where we see the New Jerusalem as the bride.

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The 3 verses in Rev 19:7-9, are only a prophecy that the wedding will take place at a future time (Rev 21:2),

They are not saying that the wedding takes place, at the time that this prophecy is made,

Only that we should prepare as others have.

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The 10 virgins are sometimes seen as related to the dest of Jeru, but I have my doubts.

The sheep/goat judgement can only match up with the judgement of Rev 20:12-15, the last judgement.

Matt 24, Lk 21, etc., are about the dest of Jeru.

So the parables (Matt 25 virgins/talents), would be the time between the dest of Jeru and the last judgement.

The virgins would be the kingdom waiting for the coming of Jesus, (2nd resurrection/last),

Before the final/2nd resurrection.

The 5 virgins that were admitted to the feast are the sheep,

The 5 foolish are the goats.

Because after the door is shut, the judgement is seen.

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The 5 wise don't return to this planet.

They are taken to the new earth.

They 5 foolish are sent to everlasting punishment, Matt 25:46.

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Please pay close attention to the time between when the call came and the actual arrival of the Bridegroom.

The call came.

They had to wake up.

They checked their lamps.

They saw that they had not enough oil.

They asked for oil.

The wise could not share.

They left to go buy oil.

The Bridegroom came.

There was quite a lot of time between the call and the arrival of the Bridegroom.

Enough time to run to buy oil, but not enough time to buy it and return.

Will it be that way when Jesus comes for His kingdom?

Christians will realize that Jesus is coming,

Some, who have lived their lives prepared, preaching the gospel, harvesting souls, building the kingdom, are ready and their hearts are filled with gospel love.

Others, who have not been doing the work, are not prepared.

Too late to get on fire for Jesus,

Too late to preach the gospel harvest,

Too late to make a life for Jesus, they are dozing, lukewarm.

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Behold, the Bridegroom cometh.

abcdef · Feb 28, 2017

tanakh said:

Brother tanakh,

I truly don't know when the time of Jesus' coming is, according to the time of men, like a date or something.

I believe that the 5th trumpet was 1929, when Rome became a nation again, (4th beast comes out of the abyss).

The 6th trumpet was 9/11/2001, so that would be a time of about 70 yrs, according to the time of men.

If the 7th trumpet blows 70 years after the 6th trumpet, that would put the 7th trumpet in 2070, about.

We'll be gone by then, I think, ha ha.

But it doesn't look right now, like it will be that long, 2 months maybe, or 20 years, I don't know.

But this planet ends exactly 3 1/2 days after Iran and it's allies conquer Jerusalem.

I think that it is close enough that we may see it.

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The beast kingdom is the 4th beast and iron legs, Rome.

Rome, as an Empire ended in 476 ad (sea beast), but the religious image of the Roman Empire (RCC) continued, in the form of Caesar worship, (earth beast).

The actual nation/city returned to nationhood, with a capital, land, and an Emperor/Caesar, in 1929 (crawls out of the abyss).

And guess what?

It's in EXACTLY THE SAME PLACE that it was 2000 years ago.

I think that the beast (iron legs) is still around, and out of the abyss.

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All the forces in motion now,

Will end with Jerusalem falling to Iran and it's allies.

How quickly things can change, sometimes overnight, or right in front of our eyes.

Sometimes it takes years to devolve.

Economic crash, war in Asia or Ukraine, a Trump dictatorship, who knows?

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The nukes of Israel may never be used, because of such close quarters of the battle to Israel.

Will Israel nuke Gaza? The Golan Heights? The West Bank?

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Jesus is our master (teacher),

We follow Him.

This world passes away,

But He is leading us to eternal life with Him.

I gave up worrying long ago about the powers in this world that are beyond my control.

oldethennew · Feb 28, 2017

if The Comforter is here, then He, Jesus Christ is here, every day of our lives,
to those whom He calls, else, we would be doomed, and without Hope...
thank You Jesus...

tanakh · Feb 28, 2017

abcdef said:

Brother tanakh,

I truly don't know when the time of Jesus' coming is, according to the time of men, like a date or something.

I believe that the 5th trumpet was 1929, when Rome became a nation again, (4th beast comes out of the abyss).

The 6th trumpet was 9/11/2001, so that would be a time of about 70 yrs, according to the time of men.

If the 7th trumpet blows 70 years after the 6th trumpet, that would put the 7th trumpet in 2070, about.

We'll be gone by then, I think, ha ha.

But it doesn't look right now, like it will be that long, 2 months maybe, or 20 years, I don't know.

But this planet ends exactly 3 1/2 days after Iran and it's allies conquer Jerusalem.

I think that it is close enough that we may see it.

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The beast kingdom is the 4th beast and iron legs, Rome.

Rome, as an Empire ended in 476 ad (sea beast), but the religious image of the Roman Empire (RCC) continued, in the form of Caesar worship, (earth beast).

The actual nation/city returned to nationhood, with a capital, land, and an Emperor/Caesar, in 1929 (crawls out of the abyss).

And guess what?

It's in EXACTLY THE SAME PLACE that it was 2000 years ago.

I think that the beast (iron legs) is still around, and out of the abyss.

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All the forces in motion now,

Will end with Jerusalem falling to Iran and it's allies.

How quickly things can change, sometimes overnight, or right in front of our eyes.

Sometimes it takes years to devolve.

Economic crash, war in Asia or Ukraine, a Trump dictatorship, who knows?

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The nukes of Israel may never be used, because of such close quarters of the battle to Israel.

Will Israel nuke Gaza? The Golan Heights? The West Bank?

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Jesus is our master (teacher),

We follow Him.

This world passes away,

But He is leading us to eternal life with Him.

I gave up worrying long ago about the powers in this world that are beyond my control.

My personnel opinion for what its worth is that there could be another world war before the last days Prophecies come about and that it will be through that war that the beast kingdom and everything else connected with the second coming kicks off. As for Israel and a Nuclear strike Israel is quite a distance from Iran. A strike with the power and force of those which hit Japan in WW2 would be enough to give Iran pause for thought. If Israel had no intention of ever using them what was the point of having them to start with?

abcdef · Feb 28, 2017

tanakh said:

Yes, what would be the point of nuking Iran,

When it is the combined forces of Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Hezbollah, Hamas, the West Bank, Gaza, etc., with Russia backing them up, that are attacking to capture Jerusalem,

Israel is surrounded.

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But, what about the USA and the free world,

Won't they help Israel?

This is the tide that is turning now.

A series of events, already begun.

War or something, possible? Sure, but I don't know, it looks bad from here.

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Satan is a spirit, darkness, lies, confusion, Babylon.

Destruction, Waster, Deceiver, a murderer from the beginning.

Arrogant, disrespectful, proud, lustful, boasting, callous, mean spirited, bullies.

Fear and hate are his power,

A power we now see rising in our world today,

Especially in governments.

They used to call them lies and propaganda,

Now they call them "alternative facts".

abcdef · Feb 28, 2017

iamsoandso said:

Brother iamsoandso,

The 6th trumpet and the 6th vial are basically the same event.

(not the 6th seal, which is the dest of Jeru)

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They represent the beginning of the very last events that lead to the 7th trumpet and vial.

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The army at the 6th trumpet, that comes from across the Euphrates, is numbered at 200 mill..

This huge number is a clue as to how Israel is defeated.

They are overwhelmed by the sheer number of enemies.

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The number itself is probably symbolic in different ways.

And how the number is calculated is a factor also,

For example, when we count an army, we don't just count the people in the front lines,

We count the truck drivers, mechanics, cooks, janitors, etc..

So this army could be thought of as,

All those who hate Israel, and are working and supporting, the effort to take Jerusalem.

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The Iranians are building bases in Syria right now.

Russia already has a strong military presence in Syria with established airfields, ports, and heavy weapons.

When ISIS is defeated, and the US pulls out, say in a year or 2,

Israel will be isolated.

And if there is war in Asia.......

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The Middle East nations are divided,

But they ALL have one thing in common,

They hate Israel.

iamsoandso · Feb 28, 2017

abcdef said:

Brother iamsoandso,

The 6th trumpet and the 6th vial are basically the same event.

(not the 6th seal, which is the dest of Jeru)

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They represent the beginning of the very last events that lead to the 7th trumpet and vial.

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The army at the 6th trumpet, that comes from across the Euphrates, is numbered at 200 mill..

This huge number is a clue as to how Israel is defeated.

They are overwhelmed by the sheer number of enemies.

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The number itself is probably symbolic in different ways.

And how the number is calculated is a factor also,

For example, when we count an army, we don't just count the people in the front lines,

We count the truck drivers, mechanics, cooks, janitors, etc..

So this army could be thought of as,

All those who hate Israel, and are working and supporting, the effort to take Jerusalem.

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The Iranians are building bases in Syria right now.

Russia already has a strong military presence in Syria with established airfields, ports, and heavy weapons.

When ISIS is defeated, and the US pulls out, say in a year or 2,

Israel will be isolated.

And if there is war in Asia.......

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The Middle East nations are divided,

But they ALL have one thing in common,

They hate Israel.

ok, but the CIA thinks their a lot smaller than you do Global Firepower Military Ranks - 2016

abcdef · Mar 2, 2017

iamsoandso said:

Lebanon is 3,935 sq mi

Israel is 7,849 sq mi

Israel is one of the smallest of nations.

How long will it take the gentile nations to take Jerusalem?

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How long does it take to subdue a nation?

Poland? 117,571 sq mi

Netherlands? 13,104 sq mi

Kuwait? 6,880 sq mi (2 times)

Estonia? 16,684 sq mi

Denmark? 16,359 sq mi

Well you can see how small the land of Israel really is.

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There is military power, but strategic shortcomings too.

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These forces are already at war and have been.

This will continue because Iran is behind it, funding the war.

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These people have been brainwashed from childhood to hate and kill Israel.

They will have about as much mercy on Israel as Hitler did in WW 2, mass murder.

They do not know mercy, because their god is not the god of mercy.

Their god is Satan, the god of this world, he has no mercy.

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