The great flood

[valiant]

Originally Posted by JIMBO43

quoting my self here lol... I knows why its odd because you probably have the mentaliy that if its not written its not true.. but seing as the oldest recorded scripture of jesus is 150 years after christ than surely there is missing scripture.. i dont think you could remember word for word like the bible. and its millions of words

Missing now but not missing then Matthew, Mark and Luke were all written before 70 AD as were most of the epistles.

 

[Depleted]

Give me an example, shouldn't be too hard.

He did give you an example.

"The indications of ancient records in the narrative."

He's talking about linguistics. (Not saying I agree. I just don't know. But I got the reference.)

 

[oldhermit]

I dont understand your post as it looks like your confused as to how it happend i was just throwing more ideas into the pan.. i think personaly for a flood to occure of that magnitude the earth has to stop rotating and then the water will rise from inside the earth is millions of under ground caves and water valleys

You are interjection into the text a personal opinion rather than allowing the text to speak. Gen 7 tells us that the flood began with a virtual explosion of the earth's crust as "all the fountains of the great deep burst open." In other words, all of the subterranean oceans of water exploded to the surface. The result would have been not only a tremendous amount of water being immediately deposited over the surface of the earth but also mountains of rolling mud would have covering everything. The next thing that happened was the opening of the floodgates of the sky which continued to fall for forty days and forty nights. If you understand the dynamics of hydrology you know that this was a global event. Since water always seeks its own level, it would have been physically impossible for a single range of mountains anywhere in the world to be covered by water unless the water level was the same over the entire surface of the planet. Nowhere in the narrative of this event does it suggest that God suspended the determined relations of physics.

 

[Depleted]

Obviously, Valiant does not understand the physics of hydrology.

Does anyone know for sure? Presenting pet theories isn't the same as knowing for sure.

 

[prove-all]

Also, the Bible isn't millions of words, and yes.
Crazy as it seems some have actually memorized it.

someone could read the bible a million times ,
but without revieled knowledge from God, it would be just a book they read

 

[valiant]

But that is not how scripture says this happened. We are given a rather detailed account of what took place in the flood event and it was more than simply a downpouring of rain. Why is it so difficult for people to simply accept what scripture says about this event? Scripture is never written from the perspective of man but from the perspective of God.

but we do accept what was written. We just do not accept your interpretation of it.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by oldhermit

Obviously, Valiant does not understand the physics of hydrology

Now you're showing your ignorance You have no idea of what I know. And you don't know how high the mountains were then.

 

[oldhermit]

Does anyone know for sure? Presenting pet theories isn't the same as knowing for sure.

This is pretty simple to test with the behavior of water. Pour a glass of water on the ground and see how it behaves. It does not pile up in a heap and simply stay in one spot. It spreads out until the water level reaches an equilibrium. This is a simple fact of physics.

 

[JIMBO43]

You are interjection into the text a personal opinion rather than allowing the text to speak. Gen 7 tells us that the flood began with a virtual explosion of the earth's crust as "all the fountains of the great deep burst open." In other words, all of the subterranean oceans of water exploded to the surface. The result would have been not only a tremendous amount of water being immediately deposited over the surface of the earth but also mountains of rolling mud would have covering everything. The next thing that happened was the opening of the floodgates of the sky which continued to fall for forty days and forty nights. If you understand the dynamics of hydrology you know that this was a global event. Since water always seeks its own level, it would have been physically impossible for a single range of mountains anywhere in the world to be covered by water unless the water level was the same over the entire surface of the planet. Nowhere in the narrative of this event does it suggest that God suspended the determined relations of physics.

Good point ok my strongest theory is this..

As you know when we have a huge tides that occur twice a month its because of the full moon.... scientist have proved that water is magnetic.. so my strongest theory of missing scripture is God pulled the moon closer to the earth...hence the great flood

 

[oldhermit]

Now you're showing your ignorance You have no idea of what I know. And you don't know how high the mountains were then.

I does not make any difference how high they were. Scripture says they were all covered everywhere.

 

[valiant]

You are interjection into the text a personal opinion rather than allowing the text to speak. Gen 7 tells us that the flood began with a virtual explosion of the earth's crust as "all the fountains of the great deep burst open." In other words, all of the subterranean oceans of water exploded to the surface. The result would have been not only a tremendous amount of water being immediately deposited over the surface of the earth but also mountains of rolling mud would have covering everything. The next thing that happened was the opening of the floodgates of the sky which continued to fall for forty days and forty nights. If you understand the dynamics of hydrology you know that this was a global event. Since water always seeks its own level, it would have been physically impossible for a single range of mountains anywhere in the world to be covered by water unless the water level was the same over the entire surface of the planet. Nowhere in the narrative of this event does it suggest that God suspended the determined relations of physics.

LOL all based on your interpretation of the text.

 

[oldhermit]

Good point ok my strongest theory is this..

As you know when we have a huge tides that occur twice a month its because of the full moon.... scientist have proved that water is magnetic.. so my strongets theory of missing scripture is God pulled the moon closer to the earth...hence the great flood

But again, this is not how scripture says God did it. Theory does not overturn revelation.

 

[valiant]

I does not make any difference how high they were. Scripture says they were all covered everywhere.

Scripture says nothing of the kind. It says that as far as Noah could see they were covered. Thus they were local mountains and the flood had covered them all. He was floating on the 'sea'. we can experience the same today. no mountains anywhere that we can see, He did not know the earth was round.

 

[JIMBO43]

But again, this is not how scripture says God did it. Theory does not overturn revelation.

Oh please even you know that water can find its own level so that means the water had to be there in the first place...

The fact that it doesnt find its level right now is because the earth is rotating... (Gods design)..

We know magnetism can draw things to the service..

We know the moons has a magnetic force that causes high tides..

It would seem logic to me that the moon played a part in are great flood.. (cause God made it that way)

 

[valiant]

But again, this is not how scripture says God did it. Theory does not overturn revelation.

Nor does your interpretation

 

[oldhermit]

LOL all based on your interpretation of the text.

Do you not know the difference between the text and an interpretation of a text? The text says, "in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day all the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the sky were opened. The rain fell upon the earth for forty days and forty nights...The water prevailed more and more upon the earth, so that all the high mountains everywhere under the heavens were covered." There is no interpretation here. This is just what the text says. Anything else would be an interpretation in an attempt to minimize and discredit the language of the text.

 

[Depleted]

The physics of hydrology is simply the study of how water behaves. One of the most basic principles of hydrology is that water will always seek its own level. This principle alone shows the absolute impossibility of a mere localized flood of such magnitude.

One thing I look forward to finding out is how did both saltwater and freshwater fish survive that flood?

 

[Depleted]

The Garden of Eden was Detroit. Now, its a den of iniquity.

I see Detroit as Philly's future in about 30 years. I keep hoping it recovers on its own.

 

[valiant]

Do you not know the difference between the text and an interpretation of a text? The text says, "in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day all the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the sky were opened. The rain fell upon the earth for forty days and forty nights...The water prevailed more and more upon the earth, so that all the high mountains everywhere under the heavens were covered." There is no interpretation here. This is just what the text says. Anything else would be an interpretation in an attempt to minimize and discredit the language of the text.

but it is not an accurate translation, and the sons of Noah wrote from their viewpoint, not yours.

and the word earth also means land.

 

[oldhermit]

Oh please even you know that water can find its own level so that means the water had to be there in the first place...

The fact that it doesnt find its level right now is because the earth is rotating... (Gods design)..

We know magnetism can draw things to the service..

We know the moons has a magnetic force that causes high tides..

It would seem logic to me that the moon played a part in are great flood.. (cause God made it that way)

What seems logical to you is not what scripture describes. I find it interesting that you are able entertain such an outlandish notion but are not able to simply accept God's own account of the event. What is so impossible to believe that God covered the entire earth with water to a height of 15 cubits above its highest point. Do you believe such a task is too great for God?