The great flood
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Yes He made Ishmael into a great nation also .He simply did not use that great nation as types and shadows until the time reformation. The seed (spiritual) of Christ by which all men are born from above was not in respect to that son. We walk by faith (the unseen ) and not by sight.
And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee! And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.(the spiritual seed, Christ)And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.Gen 17:18
And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee! And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.(the spiritual seed, Christ)And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.Gen 17:18
Well, since I have no knowledge of the Hebrew language or any abilities to determine the reliability of one Hebrew text above another I have to rely on the scholarship of others on this and at this point I believe the Masoretic text to be the superior text. This of course does not mean that my opinion may not change. Regardless of which text one uses, I do not believe any difference in the ages of the patriarchs recorded would effect the overall outcome in any significant way. But, let us just assume for the time being that the Masoretic is correct. If it is, then we are given the age of the patriarchs at the birth of each child in the succeeding seed line. We know how old they were when their sons were born and we know hoe old they were when the died. The rest is a simple matter of addition.
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The spiritual promises,the promises of the “one seed,”Christ,
and of salvation through Him—Bible calls the scepter promise.
But the material and national promises relating to many
nations, national wealth, prosperity and power, and possession
of the Holy Land, the Bible calls the birthright.
Both the birthright and the scepter were repromised
by the Eternal to Abraham and Isaac and to Jacob.
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that Isaac was born by promise, and by a miracle from God,
“And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed;
thou shalt call his name Isaac:and I will establish my covenant with him
for an everlasting covenant, with his seed after him.
And as for Ishmael, I … will make him fruitful, and multiply him
exceedingly and I will make him a great nation.
But my covenant will I establish with Isaac 19-21.
Abraham wanted ishmael, Genesis 17:18,
but God chose Isaac, first lawful son
Abraham gave all that he had unto Isaac (Genesis 25:5)
The promise,as confirmed to Isaac, Genesis 26:3-5
and will give unto thy seed all these countries
Ishmael and Abraham’s other sons were rejected from this birthright.
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a future nation to spring from Ishmael, from Sarah’s Egyptian handmaid.
the angel of the Eternal had said to Hagar:
“He will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man and every man’s hand
against him; and he shall dwell to the east of all his brethren” (Genesis 16:12).
Ishmael’s descendants were to become a great nation. the birthright nations
were to be greater, they were to dwell to the east of their brethren (Isaac)
The children of Ishmael have become the Arabs of today.
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Isaac had twin sons, Esau and Jacob. Esau was the firstborn
And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment;
and they called his name Esau.
And after that came his brother out,and his hand took
hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob
The Eternal said to Rebekah,regarding Esau and Jacob,
that they were the beginning of two nations
“two manner of people, one shall be stronger than other
“and the elder shall serve the younger”(Genesis 25:23).
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And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me with that same red pottage
for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom.”
And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him
and he sold his birthright unto Jacob.
the name Edom refer to the descendants of Esau,
primarily the Turkish nation today.
and of salvation through Him—Bible calls the scepter promise.
But the material and national promises relating to many
nations, national wealth, prosperity and power, and possession
of the Holy Land, the Bible calls the birthright.
Both the birthright and the scepter were repromised
by the Eternal to Abraham and Isaac and to Jacob.
-
that Isaac was born by promise, and by a miracle from God,
“And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed;
thou shalt call his name Isaac:and I will establish my covenant with him
for an everlasting covenant, with his seed after him.
And as for Ishmael, I … will make him fruitful, and multiply him
exceedingly and I will make him a great nation.
But my covenant will I establish with Isaac 19-21.
Abraham wanted ishmael, Genesis 17:18,
but God chose Isaac, first lawful son
Abraham gave all that he had unto Isaac (Genesis 25:5)
The promise,as confirmed to Isaac, Genesis 26:3-5
and will give unto thy seed all these countries
Ishmael and Abraham’s other sons were rejected from this birthright.
-
a future nation to spring from Ishmael, from Sarah’s Egyptian handmaid.
the angel of the Eternal had said to Hagar:
“He will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man and every man’s hand
against him; and he shall dwell to the east of all his brethren” (Genesis 16:12).
Ishmael’s descendants were to become a great nation. the birthright nations
were to be greater, they were to dwell to the east of their brethren (Isaac)
The children of Ishmael have become the Arabs of today.
-
Isaac had twin sons, Esau and Jacob. Esau was the firstborn
And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment;
and they called his name Esau.
And after that came his brother out,and his hand took
hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob
The Eternal said to Rebekah,regarding Esau and Jacob,
that they were the beginning of two nations
“two manner of people, one shall be stronger than other
“and the elder shall serve the younger”(Genesis 25:23).
-
And Esau said to Jacob, Feed me with that same red pottage
for I am faint: therefore was his name called Edom.”
And Jacob said, Swear to me this day; and he sware unto him
and he sold his birthright unto Jacob.
the name Edom refer to the descendants of Esau,
primarily the Turkish nation today.
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Why?
Its very significant, there can be even the 8 000 years difference between various texts and methods of age counting.
For example the most controversial dating of creation is 4004 BC (massoretic + by Usher) which is really absolutely unrealistic regarding history.
You can also get 12 028 BC (LXX + patriarchal)
So the choice of the source is very important.
Its very significant, there can be even the 8 000 years difference between various texts and methods of age counting.
For example the most controversial dating of creation is 4004 BC (massoretic + by Usher) which is really absolutely unrealistic regarding history.
You can also get 12 028 BC (LXX + patriarchal)
So the choice of the source is very important.
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I have seen on wikipedia a nice comparison between LXX, massoretic and samaritan texts in one table but somebody deleted it and left only masoretic version dates.
So I do not know, you can try this table: https://answersingenesis.org/bible-history/some-remarks-preliminary-to-a-biblical-chronology/
But I do not trust answersingenesis at all, your risk
So I do not know, you can try this table: https://answersingenesis.org/bible-history/some-remarks-preliminary-to-a-biblical-chronology/
But I do not trust answersingenesis at all, your risk
I have seen on wikipedia a nice comparison between LXX, massoretic and samaritan texts in one table but somebody deleted it and left only masoretic version dates.
So I do not know, you can try this table: https://answersingenesis.org/bible-history/some-remarks-preliminary-to-a-biblical-chronology/
But I do not trust answersingenesis at all, your risk
So I do not know, you can try this table: https://answersingenesis.org/bible-history/some-remarks-preliminary-to-a-biblical-chronology/
But I do not trust answersingenesis at all, your risk
I think it would be rather interesting to compare my genealogical findings from the NASV with a translation that is derived from another mss that differs in this information. That way I could offer both points of view. Can you recommend such a translation?
You can try this:
Septuagint Genesis
Its LXX translated by Lord Brenton, this translation is used also by the orthodox church.
Its old a little, if you want some new, critical translation, you can try NETS:
(http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/edition/01-gen-nets.pdf)
Septuagint Genesis
Its LXX translated by Lord Brenton, this translation is used also by the orthodox church.
Its old a little, if you want some new, critical translation, you can try NETS:
(http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/nets/edition/01-gen-nets.pdf)
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Hi mate Im in favor of this thoery too my quite amazing how to minds can think the same..and as the saying goes when two can come to agreement in God then the heavens say here here,,lol
And when they cany they say nayyyyyy..,.
There are many theories out there for why gravity is Gravity.. Im definately in favor for magnetic fields and lack of air..
For instance we do have deep caves here that do act like gravity quite amazing.. but then wait for it we also have an inner core of imence energy.. enough energy to blow are solar system to kingdom come lol... it just needs tapping into.. but then God only knows what would it happen..maybe the speed of light travel..
Anyhows gravity a force of invisble waves of a magnetic force.. (what is magnetic ?..)
The fields of waves of magnetic forces are simply attracted to other forces of the same kind... (hence gravitation pull.)
Now that said it would be logic to asume that gravity is indeed a magnetic force...from great plannets and the sun we all just basicallykeep each plannet in orbit.
Water does indeed have an energy too once broken down.. hence magnetic field and why the water vapor rises in the form of rain...
Hence Why it is my theory that maybe God turned up the magnetic force to flood the earth of course i could be wrong but then so could anyone on this one..
And when they cany they say nayyyyyy..,.
There are many theories out there for why gravity is Gravity.. Im definately in favor for magnetic fields and lack of air..
For instance we do have deep caves here that do act like gravity quite amazing.. but then wait for it we also have an inner core of imence energy.. enough energy to blow are solar system to kingdom come lol... it just needs tapping into.. but then God only knows what would it happen..maybe the speed of light travel..
Anyhows gravity a force of invisble waves of a magnetic force.. (what is magnetic ?..)
The fields of waves of magnetic forces are simply attracted to other forces of the same kind... (hence gravitation pull.)
Now that said it would be logic to asume that gravity is indeed a magnetic force...from great plannets and the sun we all just basicallykeep each plannet in orbit.
Water does indeed have an energy too once broken down.. hence magnetic field and why the water vapor rises in the form of rain...
Hence Why it is my theory that maybe God turned up the magnetic force to flood the earth of course i could be wrong but then so could anyone on this one..
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Hi mate Im in favor of this thoery too my quite amazing how to minds can think the same..and as the saying goes when two can come to agreement in God then the heavens say here here,,lol
And when they cany they say nayyyyyy..,.
There are many theories out there for why gravity is Gravity.. Im definately in favor for magnetic fields and lack of air..
For instance we do have deep caves here that do act like gravity quite amazing.. but then wait for it we also have an inner core of imence energy.. enough energy to blow are solar system to kingdom come lol... it just needs tapping into.. but then God only knows what would it happen..maybe the speed of light travel..
Anyhows gravity a force of invisble waves of a magnetic force.. (what is magnetic ?..)
The fields of waves of magnetic forces are simply attracted to other forces of the same kind... (hence gravitation pull.)
Now that said it would be logic to asume that gravity is indeed a magnetic force...from great plannets and the sun we all just basicallykeep each plannet in orbit.
Water does indeed have an energy too once broken down.. hence magnetic field and why the water vapor rises in the form of rain...
Hence Why it is my theory that maybe God turned up the magnetic force to flood the earth of course i could be wrong but then so could anyone on this one..
And when they cany they say nayyyyyy..,.
There are many theories out there for why gravity is Gravity.. Im definately in favor for magnetic fields and lack of air..
For instance we do have deep caves here that do act like gravity quite amazing.. but then wait for it we also have an inner core of imence energy.. enough energy to blow are solar system to kingdom come lol... it just needs tapping into.. but then God only knows what would it happen..maybe the speed of light travel..
Anyhows gravity a force of invisble waves of a magnetic force.. (what is magnetic ?..)
The fields of waves of magnetic forces are simply attracted to other forces of the same kind... (hence gravitation pull.)
Now that said it would be logic to asume that gravity is indeed a magnetic force...from great plannets and the sun we all just basicallykeep each plannet in orbit.
Water does indeed have an energy too once broken down.. hence magnetic field and why the water vapor rises in the form of rain...
Hence Why it is my theory that maybe God turned up the magnetic force to flood the earth of course i could be wrong but then so could anyone on this one..
This has nothing to with how the flood not happenin... this just says there is missing scripture..