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Dont patronize me. You already know the ones. Now answer my question. Does the Bible use symbolism and words that were available at the time to describe things that didn't exist yet or things they didn't understand?
You have not yet answered my questions honestly nor straightly. Show me what the Bible says. If the Bible says as you claim it says it should be very easy for you to show it if you are honest.
Does the Bible say the earth moves or that it does not move?
Does the Bible say the earth moves around the sun or the sun moves around the earth?
i already told you like 3 times man. The Bible supports a fixed rotation around the sun. If you can't answer my very easy to answer question then you are just being dishonest and I am done with you.
So show me the verses where it says that if it says as you claim it says. You have not answered me straightly nor honestly. You make a claim about what the Bible says, but you do not show what the Bible says about the matter. You assume I believe one thing or the other, but I have made no such claim either which way. I have merely asked very simple questions.
Does the Bible say the Earth moves or does not move?
Does the Bible say the sun moves around earth or the earth around sun?
Be honest and show me what the Bible says about it. Not what you say the Bible says. Let the Bible speak for itself.
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Have a nice day man. Best of luck to you. Don't fall off the edge of the earth.....or better yet...maybe you should so you don't infect some poor gullible soul with you fixation on fantasy.
You can hurl baseless insults if you want, but I have not said either which way. Perhaps you are ignorant of the Bible and have never read it, or worse you do know what it says and you simply do not believe the Bible, opting instead to believe in the doctrines of man rather than the words of the prophets of the Holy God. I will hope one day your hard heart is opened to wisdom, love, and truth.
These are not hard questions and yet it is so hard to find an honest and straight answer from anyone.
Does the Bible say the earth moves or does not move?
Does the Bible say the earth moves around the sun or the sun around the earth?
Answer honestly, this is open to all. Show what the Bible says.
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Youre a phony who claims to have superior knowledge of scripture and you use it hurl stones at people and call heretics or whatever. This is a mental disorder you are displaying here. Have fun trying to jam your square peg thru this round hole. Lol
The setters forth of science falsely so-called and doctrines of men are heretics and the Bible says such. 2 Peter 2 and 1 Timothy 6. Even the definition of heresy means such. The Bible also says we should believe God rather than man Acts 5.
If you have not read the Bible and do not know what it says you can just say that you do not know. Or if you do not believe the Bible and the words of the holy prophets of God I cannot make you believe in them.
I will frankly forgive you of your presumptuous slander and insults. I will repay what you intend as hurt against me with a hope towards you that your hard heart will be broken and you will learn love, wisdom, and truth for the praise of the Holy God.
I have asked two simple questions, and I'll ask them again until I can get a straight and honest answer.
Does the Bible say the earth moves or does not move?
Does the Bible say the sun moves around earth or the earth around sun?
Answer straightly, show where it says it in the Bible whichever side of the coin of the question it be on.
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Here's how I see it, scripture says the sun stood still, meaning it wasn't standing still before hand correct?, second the moon stopped? Stopped what? God stopped these from what? Spinning of coarse.
time stood still as us earthians measure our earth time people don't measure time by the earths spin why because we are standing on it. Now is the verse Joshua 10:13 saying that only the moon and sun move and earth stands still no not at all it doesn't say anything about the earth moving because humans don't measure time like that well at least in those times hehehe.
God isn't going to teach about something that the ancient people had no way of knowing, it's like traveling in car at 80 mph you don't feel yourself moving at 80mph same thing with standing on earth you can feel the earth moving at 1040 mph. to mention the earth moving would have caused great confusion among the ancient people because they couldn't feel the earth move. but they knew the sun and moon moved in the sky. Pretty simple concept.
So rather you believe in a spinning earth or still earth this is something outside of scripture to learn, something outside of script, just like the planet Mars anybody can buy a good telescope and view Mars your own self. That planet isn't written in scripture but we can see it in the night sky it's no hoax though some believe it is because out of fear to buy a telescope and actually see it, though that would change a person's thoughts about it and some people don't want to peak outside the box, that ok tis your own, no one is going to be comdenmed for not believing in a spin earth or still earth.
Joshua 10:13
And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day.
Some know this some don't but the moon is spinning but it's in what is called a tidal lock with earth. perfectly sync so it appears as if it isn't spinning but it is a type of optical allusion.
time stood still as us earthians measure our earth time people don't measure time by the earths spin why because we are standing on it. Now is the verse Joshua 10:13 saying that only the moon and sun move and earth stands still no not at all it doesn't say anything about the earth moving because humans don't measure time like that well at least in those times hehehe.
God isn't going to teach about something that the ancient people had no way of knowing, it's like traveling in car at 80 mph you don't feel yourself moving at 80mph same thing with standing on earth you can feel the earth moving at 1040 mph. to mention the earth moving would have caused great confusion among the ancient people because they couldn't feel the earth move. but they knew the sun and moon moved in the sky. Pretty simple concept.
So rather you believe in a spinning earth or still earth this is something outside of scripture to learn, something outside of script, just like the planet Mars anybody can buy a good telescope and view Mars your own self. That planet isn't written in scripture but we can see it in the night sky it's no hoax though some believe it is because out of fear to buy a telescope and actually see it, though that would change a person's thoughts about it and some people don't want to peak outside the box, that ok tis your own, no one is going to be comdenmed for not believing in a spin earth or still earth.
Joshua 10:13
And the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, until the nation took vengeance on their enemies. Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day.
Some know this some don't but the moon is spinning but it's in what is called a tidal lock with earth. perfectly sync so it appears as if it isn't spinning but it is a type of optical allusion.
Well I commend you for at least providing our first verse towards one of the questions.
So in Joshua 10:13 it says the sun stopped and it says it did not hurry to set for a whole day.
However by your other words I must wonder; do you think then the Bible is saying the sun moves around earth, or are you implying that God's miracle of the sun stopping was a deception because the earth moves around the sun? In another way of saying it; were Joshua and all the people and the writers of that book did they write truth that the sun stopped moving, or were they deceived and didn't realize the earth moves around the sun?
Or perhaps do we need further verses to conclude the question of whether the sun moves or the earth or the earth around the sun?
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Well I will ask you this do you think God is about confusion like I said you may view it as a deception but God isn't about deception nor is He about confusion. Those people knew about the sun moving and the moon moving they saw that everyday, but they could not know about the earth moving. the earth rotates around the sun and spins while its rotating around the sun nor could they see that either.
the people in the bible could see the sun rise and fall and the moon rise and fall each day. They could not feel the earth move nor see it move nor see our planet rotating around the sun, the human mind can't comprehend something that it doesn't have all the info to visually see it.
God taught them exactly what they could comprehend and see. They saw the sun stop and the moon stop but had no idea it's was the earth that stopped not the sun or moon.
I also do not believe God is the author of confusion as you rightly point out, and that is also found in the Bible (1 Corinthians 14). I use the word deception because that is what an illusion is.
So we must ask ourselves (I ask myself the same questions I have asked you); is the Book of Joshua telling the truth that the sun stood still and did not hurry, implying movement, to set for a whole day? Or were the writers and witnesses to the events of the Book of Joshua deceived by God because they were stupid and could not possibly comprehend that the earth was actually moving and was temporarily stopped at Joshua's command?
We could also suppose the answer is so far inconclusive both ways and claim the book of Joshua is just one witness. We could suppose that we need more scriptures to provide support for a full answer to this question. Essentially additional witnesses to build precept upon precept.
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Well the eye witnesses where told just what they saw nothing more and nothing less. Lack of knowledge/info has nothing to do with ones inteligents. Similier to There is no way a new born baby can understand nuclear fusion you have to wait until the baby is a little older to grasp that. This is no difference in how God treats us today. There are many of things of God creation and knowledge still to be taught. A illusion isn't something that is bad it's how we view things sometimes things appear different depending on our angle or view of it, street art is a great example of how our minds work.
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Well if we suppose they lacked knowledge that would literally be a deficit of intelligence. If we suppose they fell prey to an illusion they would be deceived and the words of the Book of Joshua would not be truth but would rather be a lie. It would be saying the Book of Joshua is lying to us about the sun standing still. If this is so then God is an author of confusion making the writers of Book of Joshua lie by saying the sun stood still in the heavens rather than the earth stand still in its orbit around the sun.
If we suppose the Book of Joshua is telling the truth though and that rather the sun stopped in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a day then God does not lie and rather the writers of the Book of Joshua are very intelligent. If we suppose that the book of Joshua is true, then perhaps the doctrines of man about the earth moving around the sun is rather the illusion and the lie.
I like though you bringing up that scripture and still commend you for at least straightly and honestly providing a Bible verse pertaining to the question straightly despite your personal thoughts. The likes I give you are well earned.
I will be off for most of today, maybe back later tonight or tomorrow. I think let us not be settled on the one scripture, but we'll store it here in mind. I'll set for the challenge of the questions still to see if anyone can find additional supporting scriptures, extra witnesses within the Bible, to support whether the earth moves or does not move, or whether the sun moves around in earth's sky or the earth around the sun. If when I return none provide any additional scriptures pertaining to the two questions I will add a scripture for us to ponder on this topic. Have a good day and may all wisdom and knowledge of the Bible be magnified in God's name.
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some of the highend IQ people when they where born they didn't know the info in their field of knowledge but they were born with that ability, not everyone is born to be a highend scienctist. Nor are folks born with the ability to comprehend other things as well doesn't make them stupid.
Even yourself today in the year 2017 is struggling with looking outside the box/bible. Imagine living some 3000 years ago and trying to comprehend things it was tuff then and no doubt tuff for people today and probably future generations as well.
but I have faith that one day people will be able to grasp things of our solar system, Galaxy and universe, especially when space travel really takes off.. In 2018 spaceX is launching the first private space flight. A land mark for average people in space.
stuff we are talking about right now will be a thing of the past for people will understand God better and His creations. but I do believe you know there's more info of God then what is written, I mean scripture says there is many more things Jesus taught that isn't written we would have to have a whole earth full of books and still wouldn't be enough IMO.
What your problem is naboth is you expect people to come defend themselves against something they don't even know what it is! If you wanna teach, then teach your viewpoint. But don't expect me to take you seriously if you can't even articulate where it is you stand and why. Otherwise you just cone across as some self appointed messianic complex loony person.
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Bonus look up at the night sky tonite that's not our universe it's a small quadrant of our galaxy system and solar system with a couple of stars that are galaxies but most of what you see with your naked eye is just simply neighboring stars and planets within our own Galaxy.