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notmyown

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Denomanations only serve one function,as I see it.They show you what you can find on the inside of the church.
in my experience, yes and no, but isn't that the point? :)

if i'm away from home and want to go to church, i'm probably not going to look up "First Church of the Tennis Shoe" in the yellow pages. i'm going to look for something closer to the beliefs of our home church.
although! there have been surprising times when that Tennis Shoe church was much like our home church and oddly named, for whatever reason.

wait.... are there yellow pages anymore?
 
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#22
To me the name on the door is irrelevant, this is not to say that it cannot be used as a possible guide because certain denominations do hold to certain doctrines for the most part.....I am more concerned about what they teach....and without a doubt there are core doctrines that will identify a church that teaches the truth....if the root is bad the whole tree is bad.......What do they teach about biblical salvation, immersion, what a church is etc......I want the truth over religion and religious experience........
 

Sirk

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And some just wanna put butts in the seats. They look all Godly and whatnot but the core is rotten. Just look at the staff of a church. Knowing what I know now I can see them a mile away.
 

Roughsoul1991

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Christianity was started to bring the truth back to the Jews and save the gentiles. Through out history false teachers took the truth and twisted it. While others broke away to continue to preach truth. This is how denominations was started. Some are good some are misleading and some are just plain wrong. Many people sugar coat, pick and choose and twist scripture to fit into a theology they believe as true.

Just think if Martin Luther in 1517 never had pinned his opinions to the church in Germany.

If John Wesley never had questioned the church of England and spoke against the Calvinist view then we all could be believing in predestination. [FONT=&quot]Wesley felt that the church failed to call sinners to repentance[/FONT][FONT=&quot], that many of the clergy were corrupt, and that people were perishing in their sins.

If Martin Luther King Jr never had felt called to bring light to God's will for many of the southern churches then the civil rights movement may had never happened.

God uses people to bring truth back into Christianity. And true denominations that spoke truth was created. Of course some denominations over time have fallen back into false doctrines supported by world view. Non denominational has became a big thing. But ironically once asked well what do you believe they will have the same believes as other denominations. And once again if Christ does not return, another hero of the faith will rise by the power of God and bring his people back.[/FONT]
 
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Galatea

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I will be in the minority here and agree with Notmyown. Denomination IS important. After all, why attend a church you have doctrinal differences with instead of attending a church you agree with doctrinally?

I tried this very thing for a while. My grandfather attends an Assembly of God church. I was looking for a church, so decided I would go with him. I wanted to make him happy, so I thought "Why not go there? The people are saved and loving, many of my family members go there, the music is good." So, I went. The people are lovely and loving, I felt welcomed and comfortable- but I have serious doctrinal differences with their core beliefs- namely believing you can lose your salvation. So- ignoring denomination does not work, in my opinion. This does not mean I think the pastor and people are not Christians, and does not mean we can't fellowship around the person of Jesus, but it does mean that I should not go where I do not believe in their core doctrines.
 
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I will not identify w denomination. I say "born again" or "follower of Jesus/Christ" or "disciple of Jesus" ...
I totally agree with you.
Good church it that which is built inside us. Hence we are the temple that the Eternal is building:


  • “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [ that ] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?” (1Cor 3.16).
  • “Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.” (1Pe 2.5).

The truth Church is built when we hear the voice of Jesus and receive Him (and His body also) within our heart:


  • “Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.” (Rev 3.20).

It is inside us that the Spirit of Jesus will go to preach His word (Mark 16.15) in the heart of all that He bring to us:


  • “Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some [ others ], epistles of commendation to you, or [ letters ] of commendation from you? Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: [ Forasmuch as ye are ] manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.” (2Cor 3.1-3).
 
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ROSSELLA

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Because of some people's search for a church here, I got to wondering if many of us are hampered by the restrictions of needing to be in a certain denomination.

I, personally, don't care too much about what the name is on the door, if all it means is that they happen to offer worship to the same God I do, but in a different way. What I do have a definite aversion to is rigid belief that certain Liturgical performances are mandatory.
I personally don't care that much about denomination. As long as a church's teachings are biblically sound and the atmosphere is welcoming, I'd go to it. That being said, I consider myself nondenominational, so maybe others would feel differently.
 
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Denomination IS important.
I’m sorry, beloved sister Galatea, but I disagree.
At first, the command of the Jesus is:


  • “A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all [ men ] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.” (John 13.34,35).
  • This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” (John 15.12,13).

After all, Jesus came to set us free from what separate us from Him and from the neighbor. So what so that we are called “Bride of the Lamb” (Rev 21.9), “Body of the Christ”, “God's husbandry” (in which each person is a plant in our garden), “God's building” (in which each person is a stone in our temple - 1Cor 3.9; 1Peter 2.5-7). So to speak, all these are expressions of relationship.
If this is not enough, note that Jesus puts His Spirit in us to lead us towards a perfect unity (see Acts 4.32; 1Cor 1.10; Phil 4.2):


  • “And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [ are ].(John 17.11);
  • That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [ art ] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.” (John 17.21-23).

Unfortunately, most people consider this commandment very hard to follow.
And this isn’t from today:


  • “For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, and the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which [ voice ] they that heard entreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: ( For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: and so terrible was the sight, [ that ] Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake: )(Heb 12.18-21).

Many of those who followed Jesus also considered difficult to receive His words:


  • “Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard [ this ], said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?” (John 6.60).

Even the apostles considered hard;


  • “Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him. And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.” (Luke 17.3-5).

And why does this happen? To this day most didn’t understand the work of Jesus in the cross. They continue prisoners of their desires, ignoring that sin is all that separates us from others and from God.
Come the question: how, then, go to the heaven, but without exercising the love? From this unfortunate attempt came up what is known as religion.
Religion is nothing but the most several ways invented by men to, supposedly, arrive to the heaven. Of course, this is a crazy idea:


  • “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 7.21).

Even if the laws adopted by religion was taken away from the Sacred Scripture, it won’t work. See the proof thereof:


  • And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, ( for the mountain did burn with fire, ) that ye came near unto me, [ even ] all the heads of your tribes, and your elders; and ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth. Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die. For who [ is there of ] all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we [ have ], and lived? Go thou near, and hear all that the LORD our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the LORD our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear [ it ], and do [ it ].” (Deut 5.23-27).

Israel thought that the only thing the Eternal wished was obedience. Well, wherefore God would want obedience? What benefit this would bring to Him (see John 5.34,41; Acts 17.24,25)? Does He need of us for something? Does it exist something that we can do to hinder His plans (see Job 35.6,7; Job 42.2; Isa 43.13)? The only way to please Him is accepting the Eternal knit Jesus together inside of us.
Beyond that, what Israel didn’t know is that, without the mighty voice of the Eternal to carry out His Word in us, we, don’t only disobey His will, but also distort His word. This was what Israel did:


  • “It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.” (John 8.17)
  • “Jesus answered them, is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?” (John 10.34).
  • “Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death:” (John 18.31).

Observe that all these principles were taken away from the Sacred Scripture. Notwithstanding, they was called Jew’s laws. They are obeying in their own way, without any regarding the real purpose of the law, that is, to bind people together.
We can see this in other passages:


  • “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:” (Matthew 5.21).
  • “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:” (Matthew 5.27).
  • “Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:” (Matthew 5.33).
  • “Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:” (Matthew 5.38).
  • “Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.” (Matthew 5.43).

Note, mainly in the green verses, that the Jews only heard the Eternal’s laws from the mouth of others, transforming people in slaves to serve the law (see Mark 2.27).
On the other hand, if we hear the voice of Jesus (like ordain Matthew 11.15; 13.9,43; Mark 4.23; Luke 14.35; Rev 2.7,11,17,29; 3.6,13,22), He will carry out in us all His will (see Phil 1.6; 2.12,13) and will be with us forever:


  • “If ye love me, keep my commandments.” (John 14.15).
  • “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.” (John 14.15,21).
  • “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.” (John 15.10).

Detail: Son of the Eternal is only one who is guided by Jesus’ Spirit:


  • “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.” (Rom 8.14).
 
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ROSSELLA

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I'm more concerned about a church holding biblically sound beliefs than I am about denominations. It would be great to believe that every church that says it's of one denomination believes basically the same thing, but it doesn't. I've been to a Lutheran church whose pastor believed in universalism, but from what I understand, that's not something the Lutheran church as a whole believes. I consider myself nondenominational, but as long as a church had biblically sound teachhings and the right atmosphere, I'd be willing to go there regardless of what denomination it is.
 
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You're PCA, right? And it is not that denominational name that deters me. I sometimes attend a Presbyterian church that meets at our building on Saturday nights. Because I like the preacher and several of the people. But, even when I attended their kick-off with Ash Wednesday, I found myself kind of turned-off by the darkened room and the cross on the forehead and the candles. At least Guy (the preacher) doesn't wear robes. LOL
They met for Ash Wednesday? Whoa! Never heard of that.

Then again, Bible Study was on Wednesday, so I guess I've probably been in a PCA church on Ash Wednesday.

Spiffy dresser? PCA was the first church I went to where the preacher wore suits instead of jeans.
 
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in my experience, yes and no, but isn't that the point? :)

if i'm away from home and want to go to church, i'm probably not going to look up "First Church of the Tennis Shoe" in the yellow pages. i'm going to look for something closer to the beliefs of our home church.
although! there have been surprising times when that Tennis Shoe church was much like our home church and oddly named, for whatever reason.

wait.... are there yellow pages anymore?
Yup. (Still throw one out every year. lol)
 
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Galatea

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#32
I’m sorry, beloved sister Galatea, but I disagree.
At first, the command of the Jesus is:


  • “A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all [ men ] know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.” (John 13.34,35).
  • This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” (John 15.12,13).

After all, Jesus came to set us free from what separate us from Him and from the neighbor. So what so that we are called “Bride of the Lamb” (Rev 21.9), “Body of the Christ”, “God's husbandry” (in which each person is a plant in our garden), “God's building” (in which each person is a stone in our temple - 1Cor 3.9; 1Peter 2.5-7). So to speak, all these are expressions of relationship.
If this is not enough, note that Jesus puts His Spirit in us to lead us towards a perfect unity (see Acts 4.32; 1Cor 1.10; Phil 4.2):


  • “And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we [ are ].(John 17.11);
  • That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [ art ] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.” (John 17.21-23).

Unfortunately, most people consider this commandment very hard to follow.
And this isn’t from today:


  • “For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, and the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which [ voice ] they that heard entreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: ( For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: and so terrible was the sight, [ that ] Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake: )(Heb 12.18-21).

Many of those who followed Jesus also considered difficult to receive His words:


  • “Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard [ this ], said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?” (John 6.60).

Even the apostles considered hard;


  • “Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him. And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him. And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith.” (Luke 17.3-5).

And why does this happen? To this day most didn’t understand the work of Jesus in the cross. They continue prisoners of their desires, ignoring that sin is all that separates us from others and from God.
Come the question: how, then, go to the heaven, but without exercising the love? From this unfortunate attempt came up what is known as religion.
Religion is nothing but the most several ways invented by men to, supposedly, arrive to the heaven. Of course, this is a crazy idea:


  • “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.” (Matthew 7.21).

Even if the laws adopted by religion was taken away from the Sacred Scripture, it won’t work. See the proof thereof:


  • And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, ( for the mountain did burn with fire, ) that ye came near unto me, [ even ] all the heads of your tribes, and your elders; and ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth. Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die. For who [ is there of ] all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we [ have ], and lived? Go thou near, and hear all that the LORD our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the LORD our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear [ it ], and do [ it ].” (Deut 5.23-27).

Israel thought that the only thing the Eternal wished was obedience. Well, wherefore God would want obedience? What benefit this would bring to Him (see John 5.34,41; Acts 17.24,25)? Does He need of us for something? Does it exist something that we can do to hinder His plans (see Job 35.6,7; Job 42.2; Isa 43.13)? The only way to please Him is accepting the Eternal knit Jesus together inside of us.
Beyond that, what Israel didn’t know is that, without the mighty voice of the Eternal to carry out His Word in us, we, don’t only disobey His will, but also distort His word. This was what Israel did:


  • “It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.” (John 8.17)
  • “Jesus answered them, is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?” (John 10.34).
  • “Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death:” (John 18.31).

Observe that all these principles were taken away from the Sacred Scripture. Notwithstanding, they was called Jew’s laws. They are obeying in their own way, without any regarding the real purpose of the law, that is, to bind people together.
We can see this in other passages:


  • “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:” (Matthew 5.21).
  • “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:” (Matthew 5.27).
  • “Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:” (Matthew 5.33).
  • “Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:” (Matthew 5.38).
  • “Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.” (Matthew 5.43).

Note, mainly in the green verses, that the Jews only heard the Eternal’s laws from the mouth of others, transforming people in slaves to serve the law (see Mark 2.27).
On the other hand, if we hear the voice of Jesus (like ordain Matthew 11.15; 13.9,43; Mark 4.23; Luke 14.35; Rev 2.7,11,17,29; 3.6,13,22), He will carry out in us all His will (see Phil 1.6; 2.12,13) and will be with us forever:


  • “If ye love me, keep my commandments.” (John 14.15).
  • “He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.” (John 14.15,21).
  • “If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.” (John 15.10).

Detail: Son of the Eternal is only one who is guided by Jesus’ Spirit:


  • “For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.” (Rom 8.14).
I think you did not read my entire post, or you would not insinuate that I have no love for my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. I stated that the people there were loving, welcoming, kind, and I love the pastor's wife and the pastor. They were very good to us during times of trouble. I can honestly say I love them, BUT I disagree with their doctrine, not all- but some.

It's alright that you did not read my entire post, as I did not read all of yours.
 
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Miri

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Denominations won't exist in eternity. :)
 
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#34
I personally don't care that much about denomination. As long as a church's teachings are biblically sound and the atmosphere is welcoming, I'd go to it. That being said, I consider myself nondenominational, so maybe others would feel differently.
[FONT=&quot]I agree with you, sister Rossella, and I am happy because you valorize the purity and integrity of the Sacred Scripture.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]However, I want to emphasize that at no time in Holy Scripture did Jesus or the apostles order the building of temples or the creation of religious institutions. You will agree with me that if that were important, Jesus would not make the mistake of letting of quoting this.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Therefore, their existence is already contrary to the principles of Holy Scripture.[/FONT]
 
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I agree with you, sister Rossella, and I am happy because you valorize the purity and integrity of the Sacred Scripture.
However, I want to emphasize that at no time in Holy Scripture did Jesus or the apostles order the building of temples or the creation of religious institutions. You will agree with me that if that were important, Jesus would not make the mistake of letting of quoting this.
Therefore, their existence is already contrary to the principles of Holy Scripture.
You do get Jesus is Jehovah, right? Because he really did have a temple built -- twice!
 

RickyZ

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There's a storyI heard many years ago that I oft plagiarize about denominations. Goessomething like this:

One day Jesus is walking down the street and a group of people bring a blindman to Him seeking healing. Jesus spits on the ground, makes a little mud, putssome in the blind man’s eyes, and tells his friends to take him down to theriver and wash it out. They and the crowd do just that, and when the man washeshe is healed and can see. So off this group goes, preaching that one must‘receive spit in the eye and wash at the river’.

Another day, Jesus comes across another blind man seeking healing. Jesus tellsthe man to go to the temple and pay his alms. The man and the crowd around himdo so, and he is healed and can see. So off this group goes, preaching that onemust ‘give their alms’.

On still another occasion, a blind man is brought to Jesus wanting to behealed. Jesus asks the man if he believes He can do it, the man says yes, andhe is healed. So off this group goes, preaching one must have ‘faith andbelief’.

So now we have these three 'denominations' going at each other, insisting youcan only be healed by ‘spit and washing’, or only by ‘alms and giving’, or onlyby ‘faith and belief’ - each ‘denomination’ insisting that it is exclusive of theothers. But in debating about the how, they totally lose sight that there are
many ways Jesus restores us, and thatthey are not exclusive of each other. They allhave one thing in common: They all sought out Jesus.

None of us has the whole picture... but we all have a piece of the jigsawpuzzle. Instead of trying to force-feed our piece of the puzzle upon others, weshould pay attention to the picture formed by all of the puzzle pieces aroundus. Because even with as much as we think we know, today is not the day to stoplearning from each other.
 
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ROSSELLA

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#38
I agree with you, sister Rossella, and I am happy because you valorize the purity and integrity of the Sacred Scripture.
However, I want to emphasize that at no time in Holy Scripture did Jesus or the apostles order the building of temples or the creation of religious institutions. You will agree with me that if that were important, Jesus would not make the mistake of letting of quoting this.
Therefore, their existence is already contrary to the principles of Holy Scripture.
Well, I don't believe Jesus commanded temples to be built in the Gospels, but God did command temples to be built in the Old Testament, and since Jesus, the Father, and the Spirit are all God, they all wanted the temples built. However, God never commanded denominations to be developed In fact, Paul emphasizes the importance of Christians agreeing with one another (1 Corinthians 1:10) and not worrying about disputable things (Romans 14:1).
 

Roughsoul1991

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#39
With anything and everything man has touched or said must be filtered through God's Word. If it matches great but all too many try to strain a gnat and swallow a camel. People cry over traditions and small matters about how church should be. But in reality if the Bible isn't very specific on a topic then we shouldn't try to make it very specific.
 

Socreta93

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In my opinion I go to an AG church but I won't say I'm a Pentecostal christian. I'm simply a christian. I understand some may want to chose one that follows their specific beliefs. I have my beliefs and that is what I belief regardless of denomination.