The Drums of War

[Sirk]

North Korea prepping for attacks on US bases.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/n-korea-missile-launch-training-exercise-strike-us-225108241.html

 

[Susanna]

Scary stuff. If this is correctly analyzed the regime in North Korea must be under a tremendous pressure from some fraction in their own country. Even the pompous leader of NK knows that he will inevitably lose a full blown confrontation. He must be trying to show his domestic enemies his cojones. This is getting really dangerous, because chances are he will lose face at some point, and be reckoning that war is his only way out.

 

[Adstar]

The North Koreans are known for sabre rattling and pushing things to the brink.. It is part of their negotiating stratedgy.. Which is not to say war is not going to break out.. It may do..

But more likely it will not... North Korea wants to continue to survive as a nation..

 

[Sirk]

Looks like we are sending defensive missiles to S Korea and China isn't too pleased.

News from The Associated Press

 

[Billyd]

Look at what flushing out one man cost the US, and he was hiding in plain sight. North Korea is no Iraq or Afghanistan. While we have the ability to defeat them, it won't be a cake walk. The country has spent most of it's GNP on its military (including nuclear weapons) for many years. Little Fat Boy has openly stated his intention to level major US cities. He might just have the capability. He has successfully test fired a sub launched basaltic missile and is building a class of subs to launch it from.

The North Korean Navy Acquires a New Submarine | 38 North: Informed Analysis of North Korea

Let's hope that our military forces don't forget to deploy a protective missile force around the homeland before Little Fat Boy decides to push his button.

 

[maxwel]

Like Adstar said, N Korea does this as part of their negotiating strategy.
They also do it to keep their own people rallied psychologically...
it can't be easy to convince millions of people they should continually sacrifice their will to a neurotic dictator.

Many governments have created false conflicts and false adversaries to rally and manipulate their people.
It's a great strategy.
It's worked for thousands of years.

There are MANY reasons N Korea would want to threaten and bluster.
There are NO logical reasons N Korea would want an actual war with us.

 

[Billyd]

Like Adstar said, N Korea does this as part of their negotiating strategy.
They also do it to keep their own people rallied psychologically...
it can't be easy to convince millions of people they should continually sacrifice their will to a neurotic dictator.

Many governments have created false conflicts and false adversaries to rally and manipulate their people.
It's a great strategy.
It's worked for thousands of years.

There are MANY reasons N Korea would want to threaten and bluster.
There are NO logical reasons N Korea would want an actual war with us.

I hope that you are right, but IMHO, Little Fat Boy, has a few mental health issues, and he is the one pulling the strings.

 

[Sirk]

I wonder how many spies we have on the inside.

 

[Susanna]

Like Adstar said, N Korea does this as part of their negotiating strategy.
They also do it to keep their own people rallied psychologically...
it can't be easy to convince millions of people they should continually sacrifice their will to a neurotic dictator.

Many governments have created false conflicts and false adversaries to rally and manipulate their people.
It's a great strategy.
It's worked for thousands of years.

There are MANY reasons N Korea would want to threaten and bluster.
There are NO logical reasons N Korea would want an actual war with us.

If an animal has nowhere to escape it will charge.

 

[Susanna]

I wonder how many spies we have on the inside.

We're apparently low on spies familiar to the culture in NK.

 

[maxwel]

If an animal has nowhere to escape it will charge.

The word "escape" implies both being "captive", and also being "threatened".

North Korea is neither.

Therefore, this analogy does not apply.

 

[Susanna]

The word "escape" implies both being "captive", and also being "threatened".

North Korea is neither.

Therefore, this analogy does not apply.

Let's hope you are right, Mr Neville peace-in-our-time Chamberlain...

 

[maxwel]

Let's hope you are right, Mr Neville peace-in-our-time Chamberlain...

Susanna,

It's a very simple equation.

1. Making Threats = Little to Lose, and Much to Gain
2. Starting War = Everything to Lose, and Little to Gain
(very little to gain after you subtract all the losses to: finances, infrastructure, man power)

This simple equation of Loss VS Gain, in various forms, is the real foundation to almost ALL international policy in the world.




However, no one can account for another person's sanity.

: )

 

[Susanna]

Susanna,

It's a very simple equation.

1. Making Threats = Little to Lose, and Much to Gain
2. Starting War = Everything to Lose, and Little to Gain
(very little to gain after you subtract all the losses to: finances, infrastructure, man power)

This simple equation of Loss VS Gain, in various forms, is the real foundation to almost ALL international policy in the world.




However, no one can account for another person's sanity.

: )

It's not all logics, like the logics you are used to, when a war is unfolding. From one point on, Mr. Maxwel, logics, as you put it, ceases to exist, and there's no stopping bad things from happening. Don't ever trust "logics" in times of war, because such trust is highly illogical.

 

[maxwel]

It's not all logics, like the logics you are used to, when a war is unfolding. From one point on, Mr. Maxwel, logics, as you put it, ceases to exist, and there's no stopping bad things from happening. Don't ever trust "logics" in times of war, because such trust is highly illogical.

It is one thing to say a leader may act illogically.
That's fine.
I agree with that.
Kim Jong-Un may do something crazy, which is logically harmful to him.
I agree


It is one thing to say a leader may act illogically...
it's another thing to go on a tirade against logic.


- You cannot even form a sentence without using propositional logic.

- You cannot get out of your chair without using logic.

- You cannot take a single bite of food without using logic.



So let's be mindful of what we're actually upset about.



Logic is not the enemy.
Logic is a natural part of everything we do.

Logic is EXACTLY what we use when a war is unfolding:
- Logic is what we use to plan contingencies.
- Logic is what we use to respond to unexpected situations.
- Logic is how we manage crisis.
- Logic is how we create attack plans, and defense plans.
- Logic is how we make good decisions even when there is NO PLAN.
- Logic is even what we use to do a psychological profile of Kim Jong-Un... to determine if he's illogical.
- YES.. logic is even the tool we use to ASSESS THE ILLOGICAL



Logic is not the enemy.

You need to go aim your sights at something else.


It isn't my fault if I say something extremely simple, and extremely clear, and extremely basic...
and you just choose to argue because you don't like it.

 

[Oncefallen]

Logic is not the enemy.
Logic is a natural part of everything we do.

Logic is EXACTLY what we use when a war is unfolding:
- Logic is what we use to plan contingencies.
- Logic is what we use to respond to unexpected situations.
- Logic is how we manage crisis.
- Logic is how we create attack plans, and defense plans.
- Logic is how we make good decisions even when there is NO PLAN.
- Logic is even what we use to do a psychological profile of Kim Jong-Un... to determine if he's illogical.
- YES.. logic is even the tool we use to ASSESS THE ILLOGICAL



Logic is not the enemy.

..........

 

[Sully]

Not to pile on but N. Korea is not the only nation stirring. This exercise in Russia is not JV, check out the hardware...
https://www.rt.com/news/379641-8000-nato-exercise-russia-norway/

 

[Susanna]

It is one thing to say a leader may act illogically.
That's fine.
I agree with that.
Kim Jong-Un may do something crazy, which is logically harmful to him.
I agree


It is one thing to say a leader may act illogically...
it's another thing to go on a tirade against logic.


- You cannot even form a sentence without using propositional logic.

- You cannot get out of your chair without using logic.

- You cannot take a single bite of food without using logic.



So let's be mindful of what we're actually upset about.



Logic is not the enemy.
Logic is a natural part of everything we do.

Logic is EXACTLY what we use when a war is unfolding:
- Logic is what we use to plan contingencies.
- Logic is what we use to respond to unexpected situations.
- Logic is how we manage crisis.
- Logic is how we create attack plans, and defense plans.
- Logic is how we make good decisions even when there is NO PLAN.
- Logic is even what we use to do a psychological profile of Kim Jong-Un... to determine if he's illogical.
- YES.. logic is even the tool we use to ASSESS THE ILLOGICAL



Logic is not the enemy.

You need to go aim your sights at something else.


It isn't my fault if I say something extremely simple, and extremely clear, and extremely basic...
and you just choose to argue because you don't like it.

I'll get back to you when I get off duty. What you say makes sense inside your way of comprehending this, but you fail to understand what I mean.

 

[maxwel]

..........

ROFL.


Then why are women always mad at me?

 

[maxwel]

I'll get back to you when I get off duty. What you say makes sense inside your way of comprehending this, but you fail to understand what I mean.

I already know what you mean.

But you didn't say what you mean.

You said something else.



I can't respond to what you didn't say... I can only respond to what you say.