Just so people understand what I am speaking of. One must read the OP with understanding, so let us revisit the OP.
The opening comment does point to folks who believe Christians can not sin........and Dconn says of these people:
For those who say that we advocate a wicked sinful lifestyle because we acknowledge these scriptures.....this is false, misleading and border line lying.........!
and..........
The following verses prove that even the most righteous men of the bible failed and sinned or had sin.....those who deny this...are missing the mark....
IF that was where he had ended his description, I would have fully agreed with him. However he continued by saying:
the only ones who reject this for the most part are those who
a. Believe they can lose salvation
b. Believe they must do good to keep it
c. Believe they must blend faith, works and be sinless after salvation
What Dconn is saying is that such people are wrong in their beliefs............false teachers, whatever. Now, he can claim he is ONLY speaking of those who think a Christian can not sin, however by IMPLICATION IF that is a false belief than categorizing them in with those who do not accept OSAS as Biblical Truth ARE ALSO false teachers. There is no other way to read/understand this OP. He is quite clear in what he both says and implies.
But, he does not stop there either. He ends all of this with:
For those who say that we advocate a wicked sinful lifestyle because we acknowledge these scriptures.....this is false, misleading and border line lying.........!
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We have had a few threads lately that reject the fact that as a believer we occasionally fail and sin....The bible speaks to this...
The following verses prove that even the most righteous men of the bible failed and sinned or had sin.....those who deny this...are missing the mark....
the only ones who reject this for the most part are those who
a. Believe they can lose salvation
b. Believe they must do good to keep it
c. Believe they must blend faith, works and be sinless after salvation
Daniel was a righteous saved child of God....anyone doubt that? NO
John was a righteous mas whom Jesus loved and an apostle...anyone doubt that? NO
Paul was a righteous man who was saved and wrote almost half the N.T...anyone doubt that? NO
Notice their view under inspiration.
For those who say the saved don't sin......or won't sin.......or are without sin......!
DANIEL
Now while I was speaking and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God in behalf of the holy mountain of my God,
And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;
JOHN
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
PAUL
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
The only man who was sinless 100% was Jesus...even the most faithful men and women of the bible failed and had sin that they struggled with....the above re all present tense...NOT PAST TENSE......!
For those who say that we advocate a wicked sinful lifestyle because we acknowledge these scriptures.....this is false, misleading and border line lying.........!
He can claim he was ONLY speaking of those who do not believe a Christian can sin, but BY HIS OWN INCLUSION of other beliefs, he IMPLIES that they ALSO are false, misleading and border line lying..........
Dconn is not stupid! He is very adept at innuendo, word play, and shadow insults. Known his antics here on CC for years, and I assure you he knows exactly what he is saying and implying.
Now, his buddies (the you guys I spoke of) will begin to appear and jump on the wagon with him and make sly and snide remarks about me and that's fine. This is their game..........it is how they are. Anyone who does not know this has not spent much time reading their comments/all of their comments.
So, folks can read/believe as they wish, but Dconn does not fool me............never has............I denounced him years ago and do so now..............
Do they actually think sin humbles them?