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Peter had asked the question in regards to how many times in the future should he forgive his brother for sinning against him, and so to imply that Peter is to forgive him only once because that entails all future sins is unrealistic for then how can Peter forgive him seventy times seven if he is forgiving him at that one time, past sins & future sins?
So obviously, each time a brother sins against a brother and that brother asks for forgiveness, the offended brother is to forgive.
Ephesians 4:[SUP]31 [/SUP]Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:[SUP]32 [/SUP]And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Paul knows that forgiving others is an act we are to keep on doing just as God does below.
1 John 2:1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 1:[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
So there is no forgiving future sins along with past sins as a one time event if one was asked to forgive as many times as the brother have sinned against you in the future.
So obviously, each time a brother sins against a brother and that brother asks for forgiveness, the offended brother is to forgive.
Ephesians 4:[SUP]31 [/SUP]Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:[SUP]32 [/SUP]And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
Paul knows that forgiving others is an act we are to keep on doing just as God does below.
1 John 2:1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:[SUP]2 [/SUP]And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 1:[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
So there is no forgiving future sins along with past sins as a one time event if one was asked to forgive as many times as the brother have sinned against you in the future.
All works of the flesh are "willful" sinning. When we have outbursts of anger - we are actively participating in it. The same goes for all the works of the flesh from malice, the slandering others in the body of Christ to hypocrisy, living a homosexual lifestyle, causing strife and division...etc.
The "willful sinning" talked about in Hebrews 10 is about the Hebrews going back to the temple for their sins being dealt with and thus rejecting the sacrifice of Christ for the forgiveness of sins. This is why there remains no more sacrifice for their sins because they are rejecting Christ's work.
Works-based believers like to try to use Hebrews 10 to bring fear to Christians but the reality is that we are safe in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection. There are many warnings which we should heed about living from the flesh and the destruction it brings in this life but that is a different subject then Hebrews 10.
The "willful sinning" talked about in Hebrews 10 is about the Hebrews going back to the temple for their sins being dealt with and thus rejecting the sacrifice of Christ for the forgiveness of sins. This is why there remains no more sacrifice for their sins because they are rejecting Christ's work.
Works-based believers like to try to use Hebrews 10 to bring fear to Christians but the reality is that we are safe in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection. There are many warnings which we should heed about living from the flesh and the destruction it brings in this life but that is a different subject then Hebrews 10.
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It is very simple. And it surprises me that believers don't have this very basic tenant of the faith figured out.
We break fellowship with the Father when we sin AND when we commit evil(human good). We name and site that sin to get back into fellowship and filled with the Spirit again.
We are indwelt by the Spirit the moment we believe. Sealed.Forever saved. And never commanded again to be indwelt by the Spirit.
But we can lose the filling of the Spirit/fellowship if we sin or commit evil. So we have a command to be filled with the Spirit.
Name and site that sin or evil to God and we are filled with the Spirit again and back in fellowship.
If one hold's to the false doctrine of losing salvation or maintaining salvation, their problem is evil or their own self righteousness. They are quenching the Spirit with their own human good. Name it and site it to God turn from the false motive of losing or maintaining salvation and be filled with the Spirit again. But the indwelling and sealing of the Spirit remains forever.
We break fellowship with the Father when we sin AND when we commit evil(human good). We name and site that sin to get back into fellowship and filled with the Spirit again.
We are indwelt by the Spirit the moment we believe. Sealed.Forever saved. And never commanded again to be indwelt by the Spirit.
But we can lose the filling of the Spirit/fellowship if we sin or commit evil. So we have a command to be filled with the Spirit.
Name and site that sin or evil to God and we are filled with the Spirit again and back in fellowship.
If one hold's to the false doctrine of losing salvation or maintaining salvation, their problem is evil or their own self righteousness. They are quenching the Spirit with their own human good. Name it and site it to God turn from the false motive of losing or maintaining salvation and be filled with the Spirit again. But the indwelling and sealing of the Spirit remains forever.
it's almost comical at times, if it were not so sad, that the ones who go on and on about sin, how holy and righteous they are, do not even properly define sin.
doing 5 things the Bible says to do, and not doing 5 things the Bible says not to do does NOT make one righteous, it makes one dangerously deceived.
doing 5 things the Bible says to do, and not doing 5 things the Bible says not to do does NOT make one righteous, it makes one dangerously deceived.
Consider the time Jesus says to forgive 70 x7 or whatever. Forgive beyond what is possible to do.
The message is to be perfect as God is perfect. Jesus said similar things many many times before the cross and new covenant.
Being perfect is something we cannot do, we are dead under the law. Our only choice it to turn to Jesus where we can be covered by grace in the new covenant.
The message is to be perfect as God is perfect. Jesus said similar things many many times before the cross and new covenant.
Being perfect is something we cannot do, we are dead under the law. Our only choice it to turn to Jesus where we can be covered by grace in the new covenant.
The remission of sins done by Jesus at the one time offering for sins so that we may received the sanctification of the Spirit forever which can never be removed thus we can never lose our seal of adoption and thus our eternal life in Christ Jesus, is what you are talking about.
The reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ can not be undone, but while in this fallen flesh, believers will find how much they need Him as their Good Shepherd, and not just as our Advocate to forgive us of our sins and help us to walk in the light as He did. As His blood continues to wash us from our sins in repenting from sins, He is helping us to maintain that proper fellowship with the Father & the Son.
1 John 1:[SUP]3 [/SUP]That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ[SUP]4 [/SUP]And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.[SUP]5 [/SUP]This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.[SUP]6 [/SUP]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.[SUP]8 [/SUP]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
We are married to the Bridegroom and in the process of waiting for the reception; the Marriage Supper. If any believer thinks of playing the harlot without repenting before the Bridegroom comes, they run the risk of being left behind to be received later on as vessels unto dishonor in His House.
So, yes we are to freely forgive, and yet of those asking for forgiveness in the context of the reference; however we are to forgive our enemies that do not ask for forgiveness as well only because they may become His in the future by believing in Him.
But those whom have passed on to death without ever believing in Him are already condemned, and they are convicted by the Holy Ghost of the one sin which is the unforgivable sin; for they believed not on Jesus Christ to be saved.
John 3:[SUP]15 [/SUP]That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.[SUP]16 [/SUP]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.[SUP]17 [/SUP]For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.[SUP]18 [/SUP]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 16:[SUP]7 [/SUP]Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.[SUP]8 [/SUP]And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:[SUP]9 [/SUP]Of sin, because they believe not on me;[SUP]10 [/SUP]Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;[SUP]11 [/SUP]Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
So Jesus does not have to die on the cross again to save us, but His blood has been shed for future sins to ask for forgiveness for any sins in desiring to walk in the light as He did to continue in His love and fellowship with the Father & the Son.
If a believer stops believing in Him, he still has His seal and Jesus still abides in Him because He is faithful, and so that is why He does not need to die on the cross again to save him, but he does run the risk of being denied by Him to attend the Marriage Supper for being in unrepentant iniquity, unless he asks for forgiveness and repents before the Bridegroom comes.
There are vessels unto honor on His House that have departed from iniquity and there are vessels unto dishonor in His House that did not depart from iniquity. The difference is the former continued to believe in Him as their Good Shepherd as well to help them live this reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ whereas the vessels unto dishonor did not.
The reason why the vessels unto dishonor are still in His House for not departing from iniquity are for the reasons you have stated.... because Jesus need not die for them again. The foundation can never be removed, but what has been built on that foundation will be judged; and wood, stubble, and hay are works of iniquity that defiles the temple of God; it will be burned away; physical death will occur, but the spirit has been saved because Jesus will do a good job keeping the souls of those unrepentant saints that gets left behind.
There is no striving on my part when I am continuing to believe in Him, trusting Him as my Good Shepherd & Advocate to walk me through this valley of death where sin shall no longer have dominion over me to keep me in the darkness.
Jesus did not command His disciples to forgive others if there was no danger of the Father not forgiving them.
Matthew 6:[SUP]9 [/SUP]After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.[SUP]10 [/SUP]Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Give us this day our daily bread.[SUP]12 [/SUP]And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.[SUP]13 [/SUP]And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.[SUP]14 [/SUP]For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:[SUP]15 [/SUP]But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
So asking Jesus and the Father to forgive you is not asking Jesus to die on the cross again to save you. It is all about maintaining proper fellowship with the Father the Son, of Whom the Father will always be the Father to you, no matter what.
The reconciled relationship with God thru Jesus Christ can not be undone, but while in this fallen flesh, believers will find how much they need Him as their Good Shepherd, and not just as our Advocate to forgive us of our sins and help us to walk in the light as He did. As His blood continues to wash us from our sins in repenting from sins, He is helping us to maintain that proper fellowship with the Father & the Son.
1 John 1:[SUP]3 [/SUP]That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ[SUP]4 [/SUP]And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.[SUP]5 [/SUP]This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.[SUP]6 [/SUP]If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.[SUP]8 [/SUP]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
We are married to the Bridegroom and in the process of waiting for the reception; the Marriage Supper. If any believer thinks of playing the harlot without repenting before the Bridegroom comes, they run the risk of being left behind to be received later on as vessels unto dishonor in His House.
So, yes we are to freely forgive, and yet of those asking for forgiveness in the context of the reference; however we are to forgive our enemies that do not ask for forgiveness as well only because they may become His in the future by believing in Him.
But those whom have passed on to death without ever believing in Him are already condemned, and they are convicted by the Holy Ghost of the one sin which is the unforgivable sin; for they believed not on Jesus Christ to be saved.
John 3:[SUP]15 [/SUP]That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.[SUP]16 [/SUP]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.[SUP]17 [/SUP]For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.[SUP]18 [/SUP]He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
John 16:[SUP]7 [/SUP]Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.[SUP]8 [/SUP]And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:[SUP]9 [/SUP]Of sin, because they believe not on me;[SUP]10 [/SUP]Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;[SUP]11 [/SUP]Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
So Jesus does not have to die on the cross again to save us, but His blood has been shed for future sins to ask for forgiveness for any sins in desiring to walk in the light as He did to continue in His love and fellowship with the Father & the Son.
If a believer stops believing in Him, he still has His seal and Jesus still abides in Him because He is faithful, and so that is why He does not need to die on the cross again to save him, but he does run the risk of being denied by Him to attend the Marriage Supper for being in unrepentant iniquity, unless he asks for forgiveness and repents before the Bridegroom comes.
There are vessels unto honor on His House that have departed from iniquity and there are vessels unto dishonor in His House that did not depart from iniquity. The difference is the former continued to believe in Him as their Good Shepherd as well to help them live this reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ whereas the vessels unto dishonor did not.
The reason why the vessels unto dishonor are still in His House for not departing from iniquity are for the reasons you have stated.... because Jesus need not die for them again. The foundation can never be removed, but what has been built on that foundation will be judged; and wood, stubble, and hay are works of iniquity that defiles the temple of God; it will be burned away; physical death will occur, but the spirit has been saved because Jesus will do a good job keeping the souls of those unrepentant saints that gets left behind.
There is no striving on my part when I am continuing to believe in Him, trusting Him as my Good Shepherd & Advocate to walk me through this valley of death where sin shall no longer have dominion over me to keep me in the darkness.
Jesus did not command His disciples to forgive others if there was no danger of the Father not forgiving them.
Matthew 6:[SUP]9 [/SUP]After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.[SUP]10 [/SUP]Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.[SUP]11 [/SUP]Give us this day our daily bread.[SUP]12 [/SUP]And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.[SUP]13 [/SUP]And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.[SUP]14 [/SUP]For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:[SUP]15 [/SUP]But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
So asking Jesus and the Father to forgive you is not asking Jesus to die on the cross again to save you. It is all about maintaining proper fellowship with the Father the Son, of Whom the Father will always be the Father to you, no matter what.
Grace based believers accuse works based believers of trying to outdo what Jesus did on the cross while works based believers accuse grace people of abusing God's grace to justify their sins. It's endless. Balance between law and grace should be considered because faith without works is dead and God embossed the law in the hearts and minds of the believers to uphold them and know them by heart not to disregard them. Believers should be happy to follow the will of God out of reverence and gratefulness to His grace not out fear like in the OT.
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Peter did asks how often to forgive his brother would would lead to times repeated that a brother would ask for forgiveness, BUT you are right in that Jesus is asking for more than that when He went on to a parable where it is about when we stand before God as He has forgiven us and yet we still harbor unforgiveness towards any one in His Presence in Heaven?
Matthew 18:[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?[SUP]22 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.[SUP]23 [/SUP]Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.[SUP]24 [/SUP]And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.[SUP]25 [/SUP]But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.[SUP]26 [/SUP]The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.[SUP]28 [/SUP]But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.[SUP]29 [/SUP]And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.[SUP]30 [/SUP]And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.[SUP]31 [/SUP]So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.[SUP]32 [/SUP]Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:[SUP]33 [/SUP]Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?[SUP]34 [/SUP]And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.[SUP]35 [/SUP]So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
So imagine being at the Marriage Supper table and you see your brother that did not ask for forgiveness from you; yet he had to be forgiven by the Father in order for him to be at that table. This is why we need His help to forgive others, keeping our eyes on Him for all the sins He has forgiven us for, because like it or not, Jesus is in that brother that He has forgiven him, and so must you also because He has forgiven you.
I cannot imagine all the sins that cannot be taken back for any harm that was done to someone else. I had asked forgiveness for those sins, even the ones that have led to other people's deaths and I knew it not until later, who knows what others ones we have made that had done the same?
Example; I had heard on the news that a woman was missing one cold winter evening and police were looking for her. I was driving by in the neighborhood when I got a prompting to look in the graveyard. I ignored it and went on, but later on, she was found there... dead.
So I felt guilty for not looking when the Holy Spirit was prompting me to do... even though that was hindsight because I did not know for sure I was being prompted by the Holy Spirit to do that, but I had asked for forgiveness, and hoped in Jesus that I will not make that mistake again.
But who knows how many other times I have not recognized the promptings and someone had died as a result. I can think of one other time, but again, what about those times I did not recognized it as a prompting?
So.. no one should really be thinking about how great they are to other believers when in the eyes of God, we need His forgiveness even for sins we did not know we had committed, and yet He has forgiven us.
Just as Jesus had asked the Father to forgive those that crucified Him for they knew not what they do, and the Pharisees were among them that had planned to kill Him... & so again, they did not know what they were doing.
But Peter was asking from that perspective of how many times should he forgive his brother, even though Jesus went on to the perspective of being in Heaven when confronted by the Father.
I confess my need of Him to help me forgive others continuously when my life has been taken away by bullies. God has provided for me and He has been helping me to keep my eyes on Him on how many times He has forgiven me that I find His love & His strength and His longsuffering to forgive others, especially when they are not repenting nor asking for forgiveness. That is Christ's goodness in me doing that; it is not a boast of my flesh at all.
Matthew 18:[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?[SUP]22 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.[SUP]23 [/SUP]Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.[SUP]24 [/SUP]And when he had begun to reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.[SUP]25 [/SUP]But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.[SUP]26 [/SUP]The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then the lord of that servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the debt.[SUP]28 [/SUP]But the same servant went out, and found one of his fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on him, and took him by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest.[SUP]29 [/SUP]And his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.[SUP]30 [/SUP]And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt.[SUP]31 [/SUP]So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done.[SUP]32 [/SUP]Then his lord, after that he had called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt, because thou desiredst me:[SUP]33 [/SUP]Shouldest not thou also have had compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee?[SUP]34 [/SUP]And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.[SUP]35 [/SUP]So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
So imagine being at the Marriage Supper table and you see your brother that did not ask for forgiveness from you; yet he had to be forgiven by the Father in order for him to be at that table. This is why we need His help to forgive others, keeping our eyes on Him for all the sins He has forgiven us for, because like it or not, Jesus is in that brother that He has forgiven him, and so must you also because He has forgiven you.
I cannot imagine all the sins that cannot be taken back for any harm that was done to someone else. I had asked forgiveness for those sins, even the ones that have led to other people's deaths and I knew it not until later, who knows what others ones we have made that had done the same?
Example; I had heard on the news that a woman was missing one cold winter evening and police were looking for her. I was driving by in the neighborhood when I got a prompting to look in the graveyard. I ignored it and went on, but later on, she was found there... dead.
So I felt guilty for not looking when the Holy Spirit was prompting me to do... even though that was hindsight because I did not know for sure I was being prompted by the Holy Spirit to do that, but I had asked for forgiveness, and hoped in Jesus that I will not make that mistake again.
But who knows how many other times I have not recognized the promptings and someone had died as a result. I can think of one other time, but again, what about those times I did not recognized it as a prompting?
So.. no one should really be thinking about how great they are to other believers when in the eyes of God, we need His forgiveness even for sins we did not know we had committed, and yet He has forgiven us.
Just as Jesus had asked the Father to forgive those that crucified Him for they knew not what they do, and the Pharisees were among them that had planned to kill Him... & so again, they did not know what they were doing.
But Peter was asking from that perspective of how many times should he forgive his brother, even though Jesus went on to the perspective of being in Heaven when confronted by the Father.
I confess my need of Him to help me forgive others continuously when my life has been taken away by bullies. God has provided for me and He has been helping me to keep my eyes on Him on how many times He has forgiven me that I find His love & His strength and His longsuffering to forgive others, especially when they are not repenting nor asking for forgiveness. That is Christ's goodness in me doing that; it is not a boast of my flesh at all.
I agree that both sides accuse each other of "stuff".
I completely disagree that you can mix law and grace. Jesus said you cannot put old wine in a new wineskin as you will ruin both. It is the teaching of the law in any form ( which is anything that we can do by our own effort and not relying on what Christ has already done which is by grace through faith alone ) that negates the very grace of God that is needed for living from operating in our lives like it should.
I completely disagree that you can mix law and grace. Jesus said you cannot put old wine in a new wineskin as you will ruin both. It is the teaching of the law in any form ( which is anything that we can do by our own effort and not relying on what Christ has already done which is by grace through faith alone ) that negates the very grace of God that is needed for living from operating in our lives like it should.
Why do you explain this as if it's talking about future sin? BECAUSE IT DOESN'T.
New International Version
Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?"
New Living Translation
Then Peter came to him and asked, "Lord, how often should I forgive someone who sins against me? Seven times?"
English Standard Version
Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?”
Berean Study Bible
Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother who sins against me? Up to seven times?"
Berean Literal Bible
Then Peter having come, said to Him, "Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I will forgive him? Up to seven times?"
New American Standard Bible
Then Peter came and said to Him, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?"
Matthew 18:21
New International Version
Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother or sister who sins against me? Up to seven times?"
New Living Translation
Then Peter came to him and asked, "Lord, how often should I forgive someone who sins against me? Seven times?"
English Standard Version
Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?”
Berean Study Bible
Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother who sins against me? Up to seven times?"
Berean Literal Bible
Then Peter having come, said to Him, "Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I will forgive him? Up to seven times?"
New American Standard Bible
Then Peter came and said to Him, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me and I forgive him? Up to seven times?"
1 John 3:6
New International Version
No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
New Living Translation
Anyone who continues to live in him will not sin. But anyone who keeps on sinning does not know him or understand who he is.
English Standard Version
No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.
Berean Study Bible
No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him.
1 John 3:9
New International Version
No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
New Living Translation
Those who have been born into God's family do not make a practice of sinning, because God's life is in them. So they can't keep on sinning, because they are children of God.
English Standard Version
No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God.
Berean Study Bible
Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God's seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God.
Berean Literal Bible
Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God.
New American Standard Bible 4Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. 5You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. 6No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. 7Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious:anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.
The subject? Practicing sin. Who? Anyone. Saint or sinner.
Christians should not practice sinning. They will fall into sin, trip over a stumbling block & sin, sometimes are deceived & sin, but they shouldn't practice sin.
Barnes' Notes on the Bible
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin - This passage must either mean that they who are born of God, that is, who are true Christians, do not sin habitually and characteristically, or that everyone who is a true Christian is absolutely perfect, and never commits any sin. If it can be used as referring to the doctrine of absolute perfection at all, it proves, not that Christians may be perfect, or that a "portion" of them are, but that all are. But who can maintain this? Who can believe that John meant to affirm this? Nothing can be clearer than that the passage has not this meaning, and that John did not teach a doctrine so contrary to the current strain of the Scriptures, and to fact; and if he did not teach this, then in this whole passage he refers to those who are habitually and characteristically righteous.
I agree. And there is a difference between forgiving others and God forgiving us because of the blood of Jesus. We have the "Forgiver" inside of us and we in the New Covenant after the cross and resurrection forgive others because we have been forgiven.
Ephesians 4:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.
Colossians 3:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you.
Colossians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,
1 John 2:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.
Ephesians 4:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.
Colossians 3:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you.
Colossians 2:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions,
1 John 2:12 (NASB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name's sake.
This verse here in 1 John 5:18 says the same thing basically as 1 John 3:9...it says that the one born of God cannot sin. I don't believe the new creation in Christ can sin as 1 John 3:9 and 1 John 5:18 speaks about.
1 John 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
John says "he cannot sin" which means not one time.
It is definitely in the present tense which means "doing a sin now". Present tense is always present tense. Whether it is one sin or a thousand sins. I don't believe the new creation in Christ where Christ dwells can be contaminated or touched by sin.
Some translations have added their own interpretation to these verses because they know that all Christians still sin after coming to Christ. Their interpretation is "does not habitually sin". But present tense is present tense and all sin is done in the present tense.
What happens to our spirit where Christ is joined as one with us when we sin if the theory that sin can reach our new man in Christ - which has been created in righteousness and holiness. Do we go in and out of righteousness because it is NOT our righteousness but Christ's alone?
Let's say we sinned ( and whatsoever is not of faith is sin so this could mean any type of sin ) and then we die in a car crash just after we got angry at someone and called them a name ( which Jesus says is a sin in Matt 5:22 ) - we have lost righteousness and thus not able to go to heaven?
There are so many problems when you really stop to ponder the ramifications with the theory that we lose our righteousness because sin touches the inner man in Christ.
We can sin by yielding our members in our flesh if we yield to it and we are responsible with what we do in our bodies.
1 John 5:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
Jesus is keeping us from the evil one in our new creation in Christ because we are one spirit with Him and the new creation has been created in righteousness and holiness.
1 John 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
John says "he cannot sin" which means not one time.
It is definitely in the present tense which means "doing a sin now". Present tense is always present tense. Whether it is one sin or a thousand sins. I don't believe the new creation in Christ where Christ dwells can be contaminated or touched by sin.
Some translations have added their own interpretation to these verses because they know that all Christians still sin after coming to Christ. Their interpretation is "does not habitually sin". But present tense is present tense and all sin is done in the present tense.
What happens to our spirit where Christ is joined as one with us when we sin if the theory that sin can reach our new man in Christ - which has been created in righteousness and holiness. Do we go in and out of righteousness because it is NOT our righteousness but Christ's alone?
Let's say we sinned ( and whatsoever is not of faith is sin so this could mean any type of sin ) and then we die in a car crash just after we got angry at someone and called them a name ( which Jesus says is a sin in Matt 5:22 ) - we have lost righteousness and thus not able to go to heaven?
There are so many problems when you really stop to ponder the ramifications with the theory that we lose our righteousness because sin touches the inner man in Christ.
We can sin by yielding our members in our flesh if we yield to it and we are responsible with what we do in our bodies.
1 John 5:18 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] We know that no one who is born of God sins; but He who was born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
Jesus is keeping us from the evil one in our new creation in Christ because we are one spirit with Him and the new creation has been created in righteousness and holiness.