Those Who Deny Sin in a Believer

[TwoinSand]

Not hardly PAUL.....my statement is valid....every person I have encountered who believes they are sinless believes one of the three listed...You point is moot, invalid and to be frank...misses the mark!

AND I never implied anything you accused me of..so that makes you the one border line lying!<--IN BOLDED

You owe me a public apology for accusing me of something I did not post nor say nor imply!

I just left some comments at Introduce yourself. Then I read these words "Very misleading Post, and bordering on lying."

But, hey, good try."

What is it in the post that supposedly makes it fit for "bordering on lying"? I may or may not agree with the supposed border post, but I do not see any shade of deception.

 

[JIMBO43]

Wait a minute. I'm confused, I thought you were a spiritually evolved being who walks constantly in perfect communion with Jesus. You should make up your mind man. It's incredibly confusing to talk to you.

Mate i do believe in spiritual evolution but only in the inteligence state..

Now you say i am theese things but do you know me ?...nope have we ever met ???... nope..

How can you assume that i have said all this.. mate i believe in an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth im old testement with grace thrown in.

when i read the old testement i alway look for Jesus. its just a mirror the old and the new.

 

[TwoinSand]

What bible verse/s do people rely on or use that lead them to conclude that believers never sin? Do you know?

 

[PeterJens]

STOP! I just had an insight into the camp of unbelief.

If one verse, that makes a promise and you do not believe it and are in unbelief about
it, it means you are not saved.

Now that must be hard to keep your salvation because you have to believe every
single promise exactly as stated or you fall into unbelief and are lost.

Is not unbelief the curse of the camp? It is evil to even talk about having unbelief,
the most evil thing you can say.

So to all concerned, I am sorry to say you do not believe part of scripture means you
have lost your salvation, it is your belief system and not mine.

When Jesus said "Ask anything in my name and I will do it" I am in unbelief about the
literal meaning, because if I say, heal all diseases in the whole world today, I know
He will not do this until He returns. But it does not mean I do not believe it in the context
of Gods will. But then today someone shouted that it is Gods will to believe in Jesus, so
doing Gods will is just believing in Jesus, and believing in Jesus is Gods will.

So what I wrote cannot be saying people are not believers, but they are in unbelief about
the call Jesus made to be pure in heart. Now I would hold this is part of communion with
Christ, but obviously a lot of you think evil desires are fine right alongside the Holy of Holies.

Strange that.

 

[JIMBO43]

rrr atlas the brave just fo you ach i dunnooooo jimmy...[video=youtube;PSH0eRKq1lE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSH0eRKq1lE[/video]

 

[PeterJens]

What staggers me is the poverty of thought here.

Purity is so fundamental to walking truly with Christ.
Avoiding the lusts of the flesh.

Now it used to be the finer principles of the faith were the problem.

Now the truth is coming out. It is the basic lusts of the flesh that are
tripping people up, and they are hiding it.

And what has shown it most plainly? Have a pure heart.

And raising this point is enough to make me an enemy of Christ.
Odd how I could become an enemy of Christ by standing for one of His
principles. Or maybe it is because I say having unbelief about purity
undermines everything a christian stands for.

Without purity the cross is empty and God is not Holy. Without purity
there is no cleansing of the soul and spirit or freedom from slavery to sin.
Without purity the pharisees were righteous and good.

Now if purity is essential with God, those born into the Kingdom are of the
same essence.

Now why did Paul say this

But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.
Eph 5:3

Now Paul is saying we should not have any kind of impurity.
Sounds like we should be pure.

Now if Paul is saying we should be like this in our ordinary lives,
how can people say I am superior or wrong, condemning and evil,
when it is Paul saying here is the standard of walking in the Spirit.

It suggests to me there are a lot of carnal believers who need to
repent of a lot of stuff in their lives, and start walking really with Christ.

Do you want to do this or wait to see if what you have is just a vain hope,
a delusion of faith, and Jesus just walked on by?

 

[PeterJens]

As a major point, it is obvious to me sinless perfection is not the issue at all,
it is straight impurity and lusts of the flesh which are not being repented of
and dealt with.

Ofcourse the guilty are never going to point out their problems, else they would
have resolved them long ago.

But faith in Christ is walking better than the pharisees and teachers of the law.
Put it bluntly, this is the same or worse.

 

[Sirk]

If someone says they do not have to be pure before God, they are walking in
unbelief in Gods word.

This is what I said and meant. It is not my fault that people use the term unbelief
to mean not saved. I did post exactly this, but probably people missed it.

So I am not playing God nor do I try. Being a dartboard is an interesting experience,
but hey, it comes with the territory.

If you are claiming to be pure you should be able to prove it. There should be eyewitness testimony to your purity. Put up or shut up man. All of your past transgression against people should be amended. There should be no pride or ego in anything you do. You must walk in complete and total selfless sacrifice 24/7/365. Impossible in this life for a man to achieve it. There can be no defects at all in your character. You're a big talker. Seen many of your "spiritual" doppelgängers up close and personal. I don't believe you. I think you are a liar. And a prideful egotistical liar at that.

 

[JIMBO43]

STOP! I just had an insight into the camp of unbelief.

If one verse, that makes a promise and you do not believe it and are in unbelief about
it, it means you are not saved.

Thats not for you to decide peterpan.

 

[JIMBO43]

you cant walk pure and decide whos pure panny poo you can be pure but did you know that you can be artificially pure ?

 

[dcontroversal]

I just left some comments at Introduce yourself. Then I read these words "Very misleading Post, and bordering on lying."

But, hey, good try."

What is it in the post that supposedly makes it fit for "bordering on lying"? I may or may not agree with the supposed border post, but I do not see any shade of deception.

He thinks I directed this post at his religious persuasion.....and I did not....the OP states clearly why I made the thread...if you read all of his posts he accused me and my motive....a well known trait of some here....

 

[dcontroversal]

What bible verse/s do people rely on or use that lead them to conclude that believers never sin? Do you know?

1st John out of context I might add......

 

[JIMBO43]

He thinks I directed this post at his religious persuasion.....and I did not....the OP states clearly why I made the thread...if you read all of his posts he accused me and my motive....a well known trait of some here....

even if you did make this thread to get one over on sinnless perfectionist ? are you glad your not like them ?.

If it was just aimed at sinless perfection whats the connection to works ?

 

[JIMBO43]

I do not get how people can not see that in front of God totally naked (themselves) there is no purity. only 1 % impurity makes the cup totally impure and undrinkable..

No one would deny, you fill a cup, 1/2 pure filtered perfect water, and 1/2 urine and give it to someone, they are not going to take it.. What people like peter do not understand, even if you have a cup filled 99% of pure filtered perfect water, and take the 1 percent and fill it with urine then give it someone, it just just as disgusting as the one with 50 % (Of course someone who does not know, can be fulled to drink the impure water because it does not look as bad on the outside)


yet these people think they can go to God with their 99% (What they think they actually have) and give it to God, and God will say, yes, ok, I see your purity, come and enter in.

News flash for them, God sees all. He will REJECT your 99% (which is not really 99% just in their head) and say, depart from me..

Oh great so lets use urine to prove your holy doctrin of impurity.. couldnt you have thought of a better enlightenment than piss.


I think theres better ways to correct someone who is striving to be like Jesus my friend..

 

[Sirk]

Oh great so lets use urine to prove your holy doctrin of impurity.. couldnt you have thought of a better enlightenment than piss.


I think theres better ways to correct someone who is striving to be like Jesus my friend..

how bout the menstrual cloth? Is that better?

 

[dcontroversal]

even if you did make this thread to get one over on sinnless perfectionist ? are you glad your not like them ?.

If it was just aimed at sinless perfection whats the connection to works ?

Go read the OP.....I explained it all in the OP....you know...the OP.....it states everything I need to say...IN the OP....

 

[JIMBO43]

how bout the menstrual cloth? Is that better?

lol ive never been asked that befor.. but if your asking me if im in a bad mood then nope haha im just the same as yesterday... i dont change my spots to justify my actions.

I think a beteer word is a sanitary towel just saying you nut

 

[JIMBO43]

Go read the OP.....I explained it all in the OP....you know...the OP.....it states everything I need to say...IN the OP....

IM CONFUSED IVE READ IT i cant see the connection between sinless perfection and works..

 

[tourist]

Oh great so lets use urine to prove your holy doctrin of impurity.. couldnt you have thought of a better enlightenment than piss.


I think theres better ways to correct someone who is striving to be like Jesus my friend..

I prefer Gatorade but that's just me.

 

[TwoinSand]

He thinks I directed this post at his religious persuasion.....and I did not....the OP states clearly why I made the thread...if you read all of his posts he accused me and my motive....a well known trait of some here....

Okay.
Impossible to post something in this forum and not have it fall to some ears and minds that are in disagreement with it. As you know.
Thank you