Those Who Deny Sin in a Believer
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No one is sinless. And no one is a perfectionist. Therefore sinless perfectionists cannot be saved, because they are neither sinless or perfect.. JMO 
Then we have this verse, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10
Seems better telling one do best not to sin encouraging them. Telling them its ok every body does it, isn't good. Makes me think of when i did something stupid as a kid, and said well so and so did it, my mom would say if so and so jumped off bridge would you do it?
Seems better telling one do best not to sin encouraging them. Telling them its ok every body does it, isn't good. Makes me think of when i did something stupid as a kid, and said well so and so did it, my mom would say if so and so jumped off bridge would you do it?
Strive to not sin, yes. But to attain sinless perfection and keep it? Impossible. And God knows that. He knows we will strive and fail. But as long as we strive, THAT'S what He wants of us. The bible states that we all have sinned, and fallen short of God's glory. To me, that means we will NEVER attain sinless perfection in THIS lifetime..
The bible states that we all have sinned, and fallen short of God's glory. To me, that means we will NEVER attain sinless perfection in THIS lifetime..
Purity is not about self sacrifice. That is about love.
Now in the end of this, what is your response to Gods call to purity. "I think you are a liar."
Do you know the point I am making? Obviously what you are saying is only those who are
pure can say God calls us to be pure. Can you know whether you are something that you
lack something that you do not have, impurity? I think maybe you know the issues do not
arise. Now it would not be helpful for me to list all the impurities I could have and then say
how and why I am not impure like this.
So the question I ask is not where anyone is along this path but whether God is calling us
to walk this path. I think the answer is becoming clear. God is being sarcastic, and saying
be pure as a joke on failure. But this interpretation only works if nobody ever walks in purity.
Let us take the list Jesus gives us as lusts of the flesh.
"Evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and defile a person."
Mark 7:21-22
Let me ask in all honesty, is it so hard to avoid these things when you know the
cross and Christ? Are we saying everyone who is saying they are not pure are
inescapably locked into these evil thoughts, with no hope of stopping?
Now that is shocking, because to me, these are not impossible boundaries or even
stunning revelations.
But here is Sirk saying I need witnesses to say I am not any of these things.
This speaks more about the failure within and lack of seeing what we are as people
and children of God than anything else.
Paul was simple about his descriptions. Avoid these things. This is 101 discipleship,
it is something you learn day 1. Who have you been following and what is in your heart?
And what is evil thought? That we can walk in purity. This is the opposite of evil, it is
the fulfillment of the cross.
Now in the end of this, what is your response to Gods call to purity. "I think you are a liar."
Do you know the point I am making? Obviously what you are saying is only those who are
pure can say God calls us to be pure. Can you know whether you are something that you
lack something that you do not have, impurity? I think maybe you know the issues do not
arise. Now it would not be helpful for me to list all the impurities I could have and then say
how and why I am not impure like this.
So the question I ask is not where anyone is along this path but whether God is calling us
to walk this path. I think the answer is becoming clear. God is being sarcastic, and saying
be pure as a joke on failure. But this interpretation only works if nobody ever walks in purity.
Let us take the list Jesus gives us as lusts of the flesh.
"Evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and defile a person."
Mark 7:21-22
Let me ask in all honesty, is it so hard to avoid these things when you know the
cross and Christ? Are we saying everyone who is saying they are not pure are
inescapably locked into these evil thoughts, with no hope of stopping?
Now that is shocking, because to me, these are not impossible boundaries or even
stunning revelations.
But here is Sirk saying I need witnesses to say I am not any of these things.
This speaks more about the failure within and lack of seeing what we are as people
and children of God than anything else.
Paul was simple about his descriptions. Avoid these things. This is 101 discipleship,
it is something you learn day 1. Who have you been following and what is in your heart?
And what is evil thought? That we can walk in purity. This is the opposite of evil, it is
the fulfillment of the cross.
You know mate i have never put you on ignor once ive always liked your fighting spirit ,,, theres some things we dont agree upon but never the less,,, it is what it is ,,,,we have diffrent sects diffrent doctrins.. your here on this thread to argue yours,, and i am here to argue mine..you have your reasons so do i... i think its hard to accept peoples beliefs but anyways the lord says welcome nations so ill just have to accept your doctrin i guess..cause youll never change mine..
What is sad is believers tearing apart other believers not about sin, but about
walking in love, and whether this is possible.
It is like a bunch of agnostics debating the theory of not being an alcoholic.
Everyone is an addict so no one can kick the habit, and anyone who believes they
can or have is a liar, because we know so.
Getting into life, eternal life is about walking in faith and believing Christ. If people
cannot even believe Christ about their own behaviour and the possibility He can change
them, how on earth is Christ going to give them resurrection. People in this state would
rather stay in the world and be counted as sinners than walk as saints.
It is all masked with the fear of death and ultimate judgement, so they dare not face that
without the get out of jail free card, "I had faith", look at all the prophecies I gave...
walking in love, and whether this is possible.
It is like a bunch of agnostics debating the theory of not being an alcoholic.
Everyone is an addict so no one can kick the habit, and anyone who believes they
can or have is a liar, because we know so.
Getting into life, eternal life is about walking in faith and believing Christ. If people
cannot even believe Christ about their own behaviour and the possibility He can change
them, how on earth is Christ going to give them resurrection. People in this state would
rather stay in the world and be counted as sinners than walk as saints.
It is all masked with the fear of death and ultimate judgement, so they dare not face that
without the get out of jail free card, "I had faith", look at all the prophecies I gave...