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The mooral of the story is those who judge the word of God to mean that they have allready died and gone to heaven (salvation) may as well be in the same leaugue as those who think they can do no wrong...........
Another problem is with the way people present things. As Christians we should take care to use the correct terminology, but many people do not, falling into talking the way the world does, the world that is in darkness and ignorant of Christ and Scriptures. People talk about going to heaven or the fiery torments of hell immediately following death, and speak of heaven as our eternal living place, when Scriptures make clear that we who escape the second death via faith in Christ's propitiatory sacrifice on our behalf due to His great love for us, live our ever after lives on a restored Earth, and that hell is the grave, which is simply a holding place of the dead until the resurrection and final judgement of all, after which hell gets thrown into the lake of fire, as does death. #7
 

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If you where 100% filled with the spirit you are Messiah. Living by the spirit is loving to live for Messiah.
 
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Another problem is with the way people present things. As Christians we should take care to use the correct terminology, but many people do not, falling into talking the way the world does, the world that is in darkness and ignorant of Christ and Scriptures. People talk about going to heaven or the fiery torments of hell immediately following death, and speak of heaven as our eternal living place, when Scriptures make clear that we who escape the second death via faith in Christ's propitiatory sacrifice on our behalf due to His great love for us, live our ever after lives on a restored Earth, and that hell is the grave, which is simply a holding place of the dead until the resurrection and final judgement of all, after which hell gets thrown into the lake of fire, as does death. #7
I dont deny any of that but that to me is heaven.............and we do Get taken up first...
 
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Paul was taught by revelation from Jesus Christ. Do you disagree with him?
I believe there are diffrent concepts to pauls teachings,,,,,,, where as The one who endures to the end will be saved,,, only has one true meaning as its Goal the prize for running the race...
 
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time after time i may add:)..[video=youtube;KWvPOJOYqGA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWvPOJOYqGA[/video]
 
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my third song of hope.......:)[video=youtube;9UVjjcOUJLE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UVjjcOUJLE[/video]
 

Magenta

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I dont deny any of that but that to me is heaven.............and we do Get taken up first...
That would be to call the resurrection salvation, which we know it is not.
 
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I hope you know your being a judge of something very sacred...can you you show me where is says are ressurection is not salvation..

I know show me where it doesnt...

The reality is what you dont know can be a little in some cases but a lot in others... so why go there..
To say ok i may be wrong is one thing but to declare something that you have recieved the end prize is another.. is this how all faith alone believers think ????????????.................
 
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God keep his blessing for us in heaven,,, they are kept and storded and they can not be given away,,,, salvation...
1 peter,,,, salvation can not fade away,, for the salvation which is to be revealed at the end of time.......:)
 

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I hope you know your being a judge of something very sacred...can you you show me where is says are ressurection is not salvation..
Even the lost are resurrected. Everyone is. You can defend your heresy but it is still incorrect. The resurrection is not salvation. Some are resurrected to life, and some go to the second death.
 

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“Marvel not at this: for the hour comes, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment [damnation—KJV]” John. 5:28-29
 

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“Marvel not at this: for the hour comes, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment [damnation—KJV]” John. 5:28-29
Those are the words of Jesus, by the way. Argue with Him if you must.
 
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[h=1]Peter 1:5[/h][h=3]A New Life[/h][SUP]3-5 [/SUP]What a God we have! And how fortunate we are to have him, this Father of our Master Jesus! Because Jesus was raised from the dead, we’ve been given a brand-new life and have everything to live for, including a future in heaven—and the future starts now! God is keeping careful watch over us and the future. The Day is coming when you’ll have it all—life healed and whole.


[h=1]1 Peter 1:5Good News Translation (GNT)[/h] [SUP]5 [/SUP]They are for you, who through faith are kept safe by God's power for the salvation which is ready to be revealed at the end of time.

[h=1]1 Peter 1:5King James Version (KJV)[/h] [SUP]5 [/SUP]Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

[h=1]1 Peter 1:5New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]5 [/SUP]who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

[h=1]1 Peter 1:5Amplified Bible (AMP)[/h] [SUP]5 [/SUP]who are being protected and shielded by the power of God through your faith for salvation that is ready to be revealed [for you] in the last time.
 

Magenta

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Are you going to admit you were wrong or just pretend otherwise?
 
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I think post 1914 is God being right what do you think ?
 

Magenta

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I think post 1914 is God being right what do you think ?
Are you now also denying that Jesus is God?

“Marvel not at this: for the hour comes, in which all that are in the tombs shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment [damnation—KJV]” John. 5:28-29
 
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Works? Jesus said, Let your shine before men, that they me see your good works, Matthew 5.16.
In Matthew 5 Jesus said those followers who assisted, helped other followers had done good, for in serving other followers, it was as unto the Lord, Matthew 25.40.
So if I love God and show that love to other believers by helping them in their struggles, in their sorrows, with their needs - are those bad works? They won't save me. But does that mean they are bad?

2 Timothy 3.17 tells us the scriptures furnish us unto every good work.
Showing love in the name of Jesus to others is not bad, those acts of love are not bad, they are not something to be discarded.

I read where someone said our works are filthy rags. I just don't understand how that is.
Knowing me, I probably goofed up somewhere.

I was just about to reference 1 Corinthians 13. Then I remembered what Paul said in verses 1-3. That explains it. Our works are of no profit if not done out of love. Their true worth, they are good, because they are an expression of our love for God and others.

The widows two mites had far less monetary value than those who gave much more. The value wasn't in the currency, the value - the good - was from the heart.

So I answered my own question.
Thank you.