The Born of God
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THIS-->If we have sin and say we are born of God then we are deceived and the truth is not in us.
QUOTE BOOK, CHAPTER and VERSE........
IF we say that we have NO SIN, we are deceived and the truth is not in us<---BIBLICAL QUOTE
You believe that you are right now seated with Christ Jesus in the heavenly realm?
Is this true?
Those Who Deny Sin in a Believer
We have had a few threads lately that reject the fact that as a believer we occasionally fail and sin....The bible speaks to this...the only ones who reject this for the most part are those who
a. Believe they can lose salvation
b. Believe they must do good to keep it
c. Believe they must blend faith, works and be sinless after salvation
The following verses prove that even the most righteous men of the bible failed and sinned or had sin.....those who deny this...are missing the mark....
Daniel was a righteous saved child of God....anyone doubt that? NO
John was a righteous mas whom Jesus loved and an apostle...anyone doubt that? NO
Paul was a righteous man who was saved and wrote almost half the N.T...anyone doubt that? NO
Notice their view under inspiration.
For those who say the saved don't sin......or won't sin.......or are without sin......!
DANIEL
Now while I was speaking and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God in behalf of the holy mountain of my God,
And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;
JOHN
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
PAUL
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
The only man who was sinless 100% was Jesus...even the most faithful men and women of the bible failed and had sin that they struggled with....the above re all present tense...NOT PAST TENSE......!
For those who say that we advocate a wicked sinful lifestyle because we acknowledge these scriptures.....this is false, misleading and border line lying.........!
a. Believe they can lose salvation
b. Believe they must do good to keep it
c. Believe they must blend faith, works and be sinless after salvation
The following verses prove that even the most righteous men of the bible failed and sinned or had sin.....those who deny this...are missing the mark....
Daniel was a righteous saved child of God....anyone doubt that? NO
John was a righteous mas whom Jesus loved and an apostle...anyone doubt that? NO
Paul was a righteous man who was saved and wrote almost half the N.T...anyone doubt that? NO
Notice their view under inspiration.
For those who say the saved don't sin......or won't sin.......or are without sin......!
DANIEL
Now while I was speaking and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God in behalf of the holy mountain of my God,
And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;
JOHN
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
PAUL
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
The only man who was sinless 100% was Jesus...even the most faithful men and women of the bible failed and had sin that they struggled with....the above re all present tense...NOT PAST TENSE......!
For those who say that we advocate a wicked sinful lifestyle because we acknowledge these scriptures.....this is false, misleading and border line lying.........!
Did Jesus wash all your sins away with His own blood?
Please answer with a ya or nay...if you don't I will assume you do not
want to condemn yourself
by telling a lie.
My answer is found in the verses wrote by MEN inspired...not you pal....! Ask your question to JOHN, PAUL, Daniel, Peter and others...their words are found above....
Can we please discuss this with out any hostilities?
I do not require you to believe anything I say to you.
In fact I don't even require you to read anything on my thread.
You do this at your own discretion.
Is this your way of discussing?
Please answer with a ya or nay...if you don't I will assume you do not
want to condemn yourself
by telling a lie.
You ask me questions with the understanding
that your way of comprehending of that to which
you read in the bible is the way that is put forth by all these various men
you hold as the standard barrier.
I do not.
So therefore there is going to be considerable gaps in between you and I
concerning that which we believe and do not believe.
Is it not the truth? I have no problem with the truth?
And you still have not answered it.
These men were inspired by God to write what was written...it is not just opinion or the view of some man.....it is GOD's VIEW and WORD given to men...OUR VIEWS must LINE up with BIBLICAL doctrine or WE ARE WRONG man
Jack is the name assigned to someone who repeatedly returns after being banned.
So if I find verses from the bible
that what you believe does not line up with what they have written...
what will that make you?
Then you have many Jacks.
For I am certain you have many who return here after they are banned.
Maybe even you?
People interpret things differently, there is the rub. For instance, when Scripture says the wages of sin is death, I believe that. When I am told that the second death is the fate of those who do not have their names written in the Lamb's book of life, I believe that. Many do not. Scripture says the dead know nothing. Many do not believe that. They turn death into some freak show of endless torture and torment, and God into a monster despite the fact that God is good and merciful and just, and the thought of burning people never even entered His mind
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