Why has the mainstream church become a powerless church?

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Thought you guys might like this......
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Was Jesus a Liberal? The Myth Debunked!
Steven Crowder Wednesday September 23 2015

You’ve noticed the crappy trend… it’s become popular and politically expedient to force a leftist political view on your Christian and conservative friends… in the name of Jesus (except when it comes to homosexuality or abortion). How many times have you heard something like,

“Jesus hung out with sinners!”
“Jesus didn’t judge people!”
“Jesus took care of the poor!”

Best of all, usually the person trying to shove your Christianity down your throat has probably never even read a Bible. Because if they’d read it, they might think a little differently on the subject of Jesus and what he actually taught and who he actually “hung out with.” So let’s talk about this. The first, and most commonly repeated myth…

Whiny leftists Myth #1: “But, but… still! Jesus loved poor people! You conservatives don’t care about anyone!”

It’s true. Jesus did love poor people. Jesus commanded His followers to care for the poor (Matthew 19:21 and such). Thus, leftists take what we call “creative license” and insinuate the Jesus advocated for a complex system of wealth distribution as determined by the federal government. Of course that never happened.

Jesus stayed out of taxes. Namely because Tax collectors like Matthew were put on the same playing field as prostitutes (yes really). The only time he really waded into politics was when he called out the Pharisees and Sadducees, who many argued were the political ruling class of the day. SPOILER ALERT: Christ wasn’t a huge fan.

Jesus sidestepped the question of taxes when asked, responding “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” Mark 12:17.

Contrast that with the leftist interpretation. “…. pretty much render it all unto Caesar.”

Also, fun fact, the Bible does say that if a man won’t work, then he shouldn’t eat. It doesn’t say, “If a man can’t find exactly the job he wants with the perfect benefit package making $75,000 a year, he needs a union and a bailout.”

In fact in the Parable of the Talents, we have this little gem:

“His master said to him in reply, ‘You wicked, lazy servant! So you knew that I harvest where I did not plant and gather where I did not scatter? Should you not then have put my money back in the bank so that I could have got it back with interest on my return? Now then! Take the talent from him and give it to the one with ten. For to everyone who has, more will be given and he will grow rich; but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. And throw this useless servant into the darkness outside, where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth.” (Matthew 25: 26-30)

Seems to me like the message is clear: God rewards those who work hard and use/invest their money responsibly. So don’t be stupid with it.

Whiny leftist myth #2 – “Jesus hung out with the sinners, man!”

Every time Jesus interacts with a “sinner” in the Gospels, that person’s life is forever changed. When sinners came in contact with Jesus, it wasn’t a “Hey, let’s have a sin-party!” moment, it was a life changing moment. Like these peeps:
•Mary? No longer a prostitute. She wasn’t sandwiching Christ in between her 4 and 6 o’clock. Some argue she wasn’t a prostitute, but at the very least an immoral broad.
•Matthew? No longer a tax collector (whom the Jewish people viewed as traitors and the scum of the earth).

Why were their lives changed? Because sin and Jesus don’t mingle. Jesus came to SAVE sinners from their sins, not celebrate their sin or wallow with them in it. The Bible says people are born with original sin. Jesus came to take away sins because you can’t be friends with God while living with that sin. But, good news! Sin-saving is kind of Jesus’s thing. It’s his claim to fame. To bridge that gap. But I shan’t preach here.

Whiny leftist Myth #3: “Well, I believe in Jesus, so I can do whatever I want! He didn’t judge people and neither should you!”

Again, back to the the Pharisees and Sadducees, the ruling religious class of their day. These were the guys who knew every jot and tittle (fun Jewish reference there, look it up) of their law and were supposed to exemplify a moral life, while teaching others how to live morally.

These guys were supposed to be the most righteous people on the planet in Jesus’s time. But Jesus didn’t say to them, “Hey, you guys get it, no judgement zone. Do whatever you want. It’s all good.”

The opposite happened: Jesus held the Pharisees and Sadducees to a higher standard. He judged them. Know what Jesus called them? Hypocrites. Snakes. Blind. White-walled tombs full of dead men’s bones. Fools (which was actually one of the worst insults there was back then). Jesus even overthrew their cheating, money-making scheme in the Temple. He got downright violent.

NOOOO

Jesus wasn’t a liberal. Jesus wasn’t a socialist. Jesus didn’t come to earth to show the world what a perfect government utopia should look like.

Jesus was about you. That’s what matters to Him. Who you are and what you do. Unfortunately, that comes far to close to the concept of personal responsibility. So rather than address it, leftists just concoct a lie and go with that.

by Krystal Heath and Steven Crowder
 
Mar 23, 2017
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thats the point. To get the mindless to latch onto thier cause by appealing to emotion and then counting on the mindless to make the "right" choice based on that emotion. Classic brainwashing and pretty easy to do really when you control the medium with which the message is delivered. Never has there been a time In history where it is achievable with such substantial numbers of the mindless. And in every walk of life.
Lol well if they are mindless they probably don't think about such things to begin with.
 
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Lol well if they are mindless they probably don't think about such things to begin with.
Haha! Well they do say that ignorance is bliss...for awhile anyway....until it's not.
 
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Yea, they do say a lot of things it seems.
I think...if you feel like you belong in this world somehow....then you belong in this world. I don't belong in it. I kept trying to figure out how to interact with it on it's terms.... when I just flat don't know how and never will.
 
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I think...if you feel like you belong in this world somehow....then you belong in this world. I don't belong in it. I kept trying to figure out how to interact with it on it's terms.... when I just flat don't know how and never will.
Well I guess if you belong to the world, the world will accept you, but if you don't belong to the world, it will reject you.
 
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kaylagrl

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The sad thing is that most churches in an effort to keep members thinks that it should change to match what society is doing. God expects us to be better than that, we are in the world, not of the world

Salt and light!
 

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Well, how can it be mainstream to Christianity then if the Christians are supposed to have great and awesome powers according to what is written in their Bible?
It is a direct result of the Reformation. Had Luther and co actually reformed the RCC from within instead of creating their own churches there wouldn't be the present state of affairs we have today. There are thousands of Denominations, Groups and movements all doing their own thing. You don't expect a shattered Mirror to reflect a perfect image. Jesus said that he would build his Church not Churches.
 
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It is a direct result of the Reformation. Had Luther and co actually reformed the RCC from within instead of creating their own churches there wouldn't be the present state of affairs we have today. There are thousands of Denominations, Groups and movements all doing their own thing. You don't expect a shattered Mirror to reflect a perfect image. Jesus said that he would build his Church not Churches.

Jesus said said he would build His church on a profession of faith by each individual.
 
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It is a direct result of the Reformation. Had Luther and co actually reformed the RCC from within instead of creating their own churches there wouldn't be the present state of affairs we have today. There are thousands of Denominations, Groups and movements all doing their own thing. You don't expect a shattered Mirror to reflect a perfect image. Jesus said that he would build his Church not Churches.
Guess it should be called the Deformation then.
 
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Insightful, I had thought the same thing. So that's why the churches are dying, they have no power, they have no salt, and so they are good for nothing but to be thrown away.
 
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Insightful, I had thought the same thing. So that's why the churches are dying, they have no power, they have no salt, and so they are good for nothing but to be thrown away.
or we're seeing the Church of Philadelphia right here and now...
 
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Maybe it's just the natural breakdown of a man made system.
I guess that's one possibility. Of course there's another possibility too that might not be so well received here.
 
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Insightful, I had thought the same thing. So that's why the churches are dying, they have no power, they have no salt, and so they are good for nothing but to be thrown away.

Right!Hey we just agreed :) When the salt has lost its flavor it is of no use. I heard a preacher say "try rubbing salt in a wound.sometimes we have to be an irritant."
 
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Well if they kept the word wouldn't they have the power?
If we are seeing the Church of Philadelphia and they had the power, would it be the Church of Philadelphia?
 
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I guess that's one possibility. Of course there's another possibility too that might not be so well received here.
I think it's pretty simple. When Jesus told Peter "on this rock I will build my church". The "rock" he was referring too was Peter's profession of faith.

Then...along comes man and makes Peter the "rock".