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All I want is a factual explanation of how radical gracers grow in their experience, & all this one can do is try to make me look self-righteous & bad for asking a simple question.
All I'm asking for is their doctrinal, biblical method..... not a "personal" response from any of them.
stonesoffire, if you're not a radical gracer, you can't answer my question.
All I'm asking for is their doctrinal, biblical method..... not a "personal" response from any of them.
stonesoffire, if you're not a radical gracer, you can't answer my question.
I know..... First she says she don't like following, then says we are now led of the Spirit.
I believe the first statement is true. She doesn't like to follow the Spirit.
Have you ever notice on here when asking an educated question to be more educated, someone comes along like a teacup chihuahua & nips at your ankles to totally distract you?
That's SOF..... a little nagging anklebiter.
I believe the first statement is true. She doesn't like to follow the Spirit.
Have you ever notice on here when asking an educated question to be more educated, someone comes along like a teacup chihuahua & nips at your ankles to totally distract you?
That's SOF..... a little nagging anklebiter.
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I agree Brother. But There a many who have mastered their craft. We, on our own, are not going to find a visible fault.
For us to see their hypocrisy only comes from the Mind of Christ. If we don't know(STUDY,STUDY,STUDY) His mind.....we won't see it.
You obviously know His mind. For those believers who don't advance in His mind(STUDY,STUDY,STUDY) they can be fooled.
And the master false teachers can fool even the most diligent students of His word. And that is my goal, I don't want to be fooled, and I don't want my Brothers and Sisters to be fooled.
I am not,not ,not,not,not,not saying that I am some superior believer!!!!! I just have a clue that I am in WAYYYYYY over my head.......And I don't want to be deceived.
For us to see their hypocrisy only comes from the Mind of Christ. If we don't know(STUDY,STUDY,STUDY) His mind.....we won't see it.
You obviously know His mind. For those believers who don't advance in His mind(STUDY,STUDY,STUDY) they can be fooled.
And the master false teachers can fool even the most diligent students of His word. And that is my goal, I don't want to be fooled, and I don't want my Brothers and Sisters to be fooled.
I am not,not ,not,not,not,not saying that I am some superior believer!!!!! I just have a clue that I am in WAYYYYYY over my head.......And I don't want to be deceived.
The fruits of the Spirit- love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. But everyone sins- both the righteous and the unrighteous. So you can't catch them in one sin and say, "Ah-ha! I have proof of your bad fruit!" No one gets baptized and quits all sin cold turkey. It's a process, of growing in Christ. Christians visit sin, but don't live in sins that they arent actively trying to rid thier lives of.
It took me years to quit smoking, but now I can say it's been many years since I have smoked. I grew in Christ, and Christians will not continue to sin. But what if you caught me in the early stages before it came full circle? Would you judge me? Would you say "Ah-ha- I have proof that you don't have the fruit of self-control- therefore you are a bad tree?"
The difference is trying and not trying. No one does everything that they should do. But overall they should be righteous. One sign is growth- which requires you really get to know the person, not base it on one or few incidents. Jesus says unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees you shall not enter heaven. They were fakes, Judgeful, and hypocrites. (And anyone who judges is a hypocrite).
Love responds. Although someone may be handicapped and can't physically help, or poor and can't financially help, you will see it in thier eyes- which is a window to thier heart. Remember- He is speaking of spiritual fruit not physical. Effort is the evidence of love, but love can exist without evidence. Sometimes all you can do to express love is to pray. You can't say "They didn't cure me of cancer therefore I have proof they are not loving." God is love, and he who loves has been born of God (good tree). He who does not love does not even know God- for God IS love.
How loving were the Pharisees? How loving were the Apostles? See the contrast? Love is the biggest and most recognizable fruit. But don't expect to really know a person or thier fruit if you don't know them outside of Sunday services. I had a man judge me once (judging is not loving) saying I sit on the couch all day watching tv. I didn't even have a tv that year, and was always too busy to sit on a couch.
I cooked, cleaned, shoveled, etc even for my neighbors. I studied and taught and wrote, helped with homework, and counseling. My every day was filled with routine and even beyond routine. God says "Who are you to judge another Man's servant? Those who judge will be judged, and not according to God's all knowing judgement, but by the same kind and severity that that person judged His servants.
It took me years to quit smoking, but now I can say it's been many years since I have smoked. I grew in Christ, and Christians will not continue to sin. But what if you caught me in the early stages before it came full circle? Would you judge me? Would you say "Ah-ha- I have proof that you don't have the fruit of self-control- therefore you are a bad tree?"
The difference is trying and not trying. No one does everything that they should do. But overall they should be righteous. One sign is growth- which requires you really get to know the person, not base it on one or few incidents. Jesus says unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees you shall not enter heaven. They were fakes, Judgeful, and hypocrites. (And anyone who judges is a hypocrite).
Love responds. Although someone may be handicapped and can't physically help, or poor and can't financially help, you will see it in thier eyes- which is a window to thier heart. Remember- He is speaking of spiritual fruit not physical. Effort is the evidence of love, but love can exist without evidence. Sometimes all you can do to express love is to pray. You can't say "They didn't cure me of cancer therefore I have proof they are not loving." God is love, and he who loves has been born of God (good tree). He who does not love does not even know God- for God IS love.
How loving were the Pharisees? How loving were the Apostles? See the contrast? Love is the biggest and most recognizable fruit. But don't expect to really know a person or thier fruit if you don't know them outside of Sunday services. I had a man judge me once (judging is not loving) saying I sit on the couch all day watching tv. I didn't even have a tv that year, and was always too busy to sit on a couch.
I cooked, cleaned, shoveled, etc even for my neighbors. I studied and taught and wrote, helped with homework, and counseling. My every day was filled with routine and even beyond routine. God says "Who are you to judge another Man's servant? Those who judge will be judged, and not according to God's all knowing judgement, but by the same kind and severity that that person judged His servants.
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And Again, I want to stress this. This thread is not judging the tares from the wheat.
This thread is about judging fruit(doctrines) of false teachers. There are many,many believers(saved) who have been led astray and teach false doctrines.
So it isn't about judging the wheat from the tares. It is about judging someones doctrines and seeing if we agree or disagree. RUN or stay with them.
This thread is about judging fruit(doctrines) of false teachers. There are many,many believers(saved) who have been led astray and teach false doctrines.
So it isn't about judging the wheat from the tares. It is about judging someones doctrines and seeing if we agree or disagree. RUN or stay with them.
Amen. We should be preaching the gospel of the grace of God in Christ and allowing the Holy Spirit to work in the hearts of others.
It's ok for people to disagree in some areas too as we all know in part only. That to me is not the real issue.
I judge the way they interact with others. When I see them continuing to deceitfully mis-represent what is said by others - this alerts me to watch them. They then go on to call others names and insult them.
Some of the ones that said we are to walk righteously and in purity of heart have ironically been the worse offenders.
That's a fruit that alerts me to avoid them because it doesn't matter how much scripture you put up - they will continue to attack you. People have answered their questions dozens of times and yet they continue to mis-represent what is being said and are just here to cause strife and division because you believe differently then their church or doctrine teaches so I refuse to interact with those that have this type of fruit displayed.
Romans 16:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
It's ok for people to disagree in some areas too as we all know in part only. That to me is not the real issue.
I judge the way they interact with others. When I see them continuing to deceitfully mis-represent what is said by others - this alerts me to watch them. They then go on to call others names and insult them.
Some of the ones that said we are to walk righteously and in purity of heart have ironically been the worse offenders.
That's a fruit that alerts me to avoid them because it doesn't matter how much scripture you put up - they will continue to attack you. People have answered their questions dozens of times and yet they continue to mis-represent what is being said and are just here to cause strife and division because you believe differently then their church or doctrine teaches so I refuse to interact with those that have this type of fruit displayed.
Romans 16:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
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2 tim 3: 14 - study to show thyself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2 Tim 3: 16 - All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, [SUP]17 [/SUP]that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
2 Tim 3: 16 - All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, [SUP]17 [/SUP]that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
We are Gods Workmanship, not our own.
Matthew 6:25-30
[FONT="]25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?[/FONT]
[FONT="]26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?[/FONT]
[FONT="]27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?[/FONT]
[FONT="]28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:[/FONT]
[FONT="]29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.[/FONT]
[FONT="]30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?[/FONT]
Matthew 6:25-30
[FONT="]25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?[/FONT]
[FONT="]26 Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?[/FONT]
[FONT="]27 Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?[/FONT]
[FONT="]28 And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:[/FONT]
[FONT="]29 And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these.[/FONT]
[FONT="]30 Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith?[/FONT]
Four or five people have replied to my question, but have not answered it.
One said Hyp******e doesn't exist..... which isn't true.
Another said all kinds of grace is radical grace..... which isn't true.
Another tried to twist it to say I am one of those who claim they don't sin.
I know out of the whole Hyp******e group, there's some intelligent people.
Why then, to show everyone more about their doctrine, (and yes, to shut me up, lol) won't somebody please explain it?
You claim it's true, so how could you possibly mess it up?
Would explaining it give me some ammunition against it?
Are you scared?
Or do you just don't know?
The question is spelled out plainly in the quote above.....no tricks.
One said Hyp******e doesn't exist..... which isn't true.
Another said all kinds of grace is radical grace..... which isn't true.
Another tried to twist it to say I am one of those who claim they don't sin.
I know out of the whole Hyp******e group, there's some intelligent people.
Why then, to show everyone more about their doctrine, (and yes, to shut me up, lol) won't somebody please explain it?
You claim it's true, so how could you possibly mess it up?
Would explaining it give me some ammunition against it?
Are you scared?
Or do you just don't know?
The question is spelled out plainly in the quote above.....no tricks.
well you should cause Jesus spoke it not me.. mathew Matthew 16:24 16:24 ” 24Then Jesus told His disciples, “If anyone would come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me.
Jesus spoke this...
“If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.
He spoke this scripture into existence,, nothing at all came through him unless it passed by the father too...
the sheep follow there sheperd,,, (it is there works to plough the feel with there knashers and then grow a thick wully coat ready for harvest day.... its there Duty as livestock to maintain there keep.. they must follow there sheperd daily for feed so they reap the fruits of harvest for all there life....(life being the the word)
sheep hear his voice and then they follow,,,(Gods mentality.) God reconises that there are also wolves in the midst that sneeek in like a thief... so he tells you to watch out.......
.he also tells you not to slip up and walk down the wrong path or not to follow false Gods...
he also tells you to pray for your daily bready...he also tells you pray for a way.............
so he then makes the light so that no evil breaks through and leads you into temtation..
He said my son its better to be patient instead of a nervous wreck just blerting out the first sentence that pops into your head...
So then if i follow fim im free from the law. i am free from the law cause he also warns you of evil.. if only you listen.. For it is better to walk away than to get into trouble.. this is also a good fruit..
Jesus spoke this...
“If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.
He spoke this scripture into existence,, nothing at all came through him unless it passed by the father too...
the sheep follow there sheperd,,, (it is there works to plough the feel with there knashers and then grow a thick wully coat ready for harvest day.... its there Duty as livestock to maintain there keep.. they must follow there sheperd daily for feed so they reap the fruits of harvest for all there life....(life being the the word)
sheep hear his voice and then they follow,,,(Gods mentality.) God reconises that there are also wolves in the midst that sneeek in like a thief... so he tells you to watch out.......
.he also tells you not to slip up and walk down the wrong path or not to follow false Gods...
he also tells you to pray for your daily bready...he also tells you pray for a way.............
so he then makes the light so that no evil breaks through and leads you into temtation..
He said my son its better to be patient instead of a nervous wreck just blerting out the first sentence that pops into your head...
So then if i follow fim im free from the law. i am free from the law cause he also warns you of evil.. if only you listen.. For it is better to walk away than to get into trouble..
this is also a good fruit..
All those questions have been answered dozen's of times over the last 1 & 1/2 years that I have seen. They just mis-represent what is said and it is a total waste of time to interact with these types. It causes nothing but strife and division as the deceit is still there even when you explain what is truly being said.
To play on that merry-go-round is foolishness as they are just baiting others so that they can have a place to exhibit their malice and slander. Not falling for that foolishness anymore.
I simply ignore these types now until the Lord grants them repentance.
To play on that merry-go-round is foolishness as they are just baiting others so that they can have a place to exhibit their malice and slander. Not falling for that foolishness anymore.
I simply ignore these types now until the Lord grants them repentance.