Flood - worldwide or local?

[wsblind]

PROOF?.....Here's your proof!

If you would simply read the Bible, and cease from taking that which you WANT, to FIT your "SNOWFLAKE BELIEVER'S" narrative, and USE that thing betweenst yer ears, for more then a hat rack, and THINK? You just MIGHT learn something here!

And, the Bible says, in just the previous chapter, Genesis 6:19-21(KJV) This is God telling Naoh: "19 And of every living thing of ALL FLESH, TWO of EVERY SORT (could be "non-adamic", eh?....think) shalt thou bring into the ark, TO KEEP THEM ALIVE with thee; they shall be male and female.
20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, TWO of EVERY SORT shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.
21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them."

Now, why are you unable to "believe" that which God told Noah?


I tried to interpret to EG in post #46 of this thread, just what and whom Peter was teaching: "One might think Peter was referring to Noah's flood! They would be incorrect! The "tell" on this is "and the earth standing out of water and in the water,"....According to the writers account of Noah's flood, the water was some 24.5 feet ABOVE the highest mountain, right?....If this is true?...There would be NO earth standing out of the water. Right? Apparently, then, Peter wasn't teaching concerning Noah's flood.

What Peter was teaching, or trying to impart, or "feed" the sheep, was " heavens were of old", and, "the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water." Peter is teaching about the previous earth and heaven age! Compare, " But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word," Peter is teaching about this current earth and heaven age. What is even of much more importance, is just who, or, whom Peter was teaching about! One could say, Peter was teaching about ungodly men, but it goes even deeper then this, and the whom Peter was teaching about! Which is "The OVERTRHOW" or, "Katabol"! Those that make men ungodly, and MAKE men "Willfully Forget". God caused Noah's flood, as a REMINDER to those of the overthrow! What's more?...God didn't relent from the flood waters, until, those of the overthrow, sued for a truce, via the dove with an olive branch! Remember? The raven he sent out first, never came back! There's even a demonination that call themselves "Noahhides, er Noahhites" er something like that.

(Jesus' disclaimer) If, perchance, I offended thee by "overloading your donkey", so to speak, with the truth? Then you have my permission to slap me on the face! After which I shall turn my face, so you may slap the other side! THIS, was what Jesus was teaching about in those verses, and NOT being a pacifist!"


(am glad to see ya BuddyT)

I see the first earth age as the angels domain. Satan fell, and God flooded the earth and the heavens. And Peter is talking about the flood of the angels fall/rebellion.

How do you get humans in the first earth age?


The angels that were DNA tampering in Gen 6 overlooked the fact that God already had flooded the earth and heavens for their rebellion and was going to do it again.

 

[BeyondET]

You killed your own message by the way you started your comments, You think anyone is going to give you a second look when you attack them like that?

Good luck, Even if your content was 100 % accurate, and to the point, the message is lost..

I thought about something similar today, people don't prefer information slammed down their throats, nor do people prefer information starvation.

It's quite the balancing act between being informative yet not be so subjective.

Jesus quite regularly spoke in parables, I gather so as to allow a sense of pondering and self examination for the listener.

 

[dcontroversal]

ho tote kosmos meant the inhabited world as known to Noah then. Full stop.

Try again...the word kosmos means the WHOLE order of things......not just the inhabited world

 

[valiant]

Try again...the word kosmos means the WHOLE order of things......not just the inhabited world

Arndt and Gingrich are wrong again, ah well, that's another lexicon gone because an amateur has spoken

 

[Dino246]

I'm surprised that people are attaching each other over whether the flood is local or global. I'm surprised that people are attacking each other over whether Noah and his family were the only humans on the ark. I'm surprised that this thread has entered its 16th page.

And... I'm surprised that I'm surprised, because I've been around here long enough to know that "anyone" who doesn't agree with "the truth" (in other words, "my" interpretation) is dense, heretical, unbelieving, ignorant, uneducated, illiterate, eisegetical, etc. Seriously, people?

I seem to recall both Paul and Jesus saying some things about fruit...

So, perhaps it's time this thread were allowed to die while we go and check our attitudes and our egos (and our beliefs) at the Door. Yes, I meant to capitalize "Door": Yeshua. Jesus. The I Am. The One Whom most of us claim to worship.

Please don't quote this post and write anything critical. That would be a waste of your time.

 

[NayborBear]

I see the first earth age as the angels domain. Satan fell, and God flooded the earth and the heavens. And Peter is talking about the flood of the angels fall/rebellion.

How do you get humans in the first earth age?


The angels that were DNA tampering in Gen 6 overlooked the fact that God already had flooded the earth and heavens for their rebellion and was going to do it again.

The reason God flooded the first earth age was because of the attempted overthrow, and, their "genetic manipulation", or tampering, which is the where the lost city of Atlantis, and Ancient Greek Mythology, where "zeus" aka beelzebub, "swept up" 1/3rd, in his "evil scheme/s"!

As far as humans?...Might be a stretch by today's standards. Methinks "souls", would be a closer definition! In "spiritual bodies", with wings, like angels?....Yet with "substance and form"?....Mere speculation! But, beings as there were for real structures built with stone/s? Leans towards some "type" of physical manifestation, doesn't it? My parents told me I had yellow jaundice when I was 5 months old. But you know what?....I really don't remember!

 

[JesusRules1]

The flood is both worldwide and local.It is worldwide for all that had breath was wiped out in the flood,and all the high hills under the whole heaven was covered,and the waters covered the whole earth,which the water not only came from above,but the fountains of the deep were broken up and water came up,like when before the rain it misted up and watered the ground,but in the flood more serious,and it was local for it only happened on earth,as opposed to the other planets,and all the things in the universe,for it did not happen on Jupiter,or a star,or in sector 28.

So either way worldwide or local,I am all for it.

 

[maxwel]

The flood is both worldwide and local.It is worldwide for all that had breath was wiped out in the flood,and all the high hills under the whole heaven was covered,and the waters covered the whole earth,which the water not only came from above,but the fountains of the deep were broken up and water came up,like when before the rain it misted up and watered the ground,but in the flood more serious,and it was local for it only happened on earth,as opposed to the other planets,and all the things in the universe,for it did not happen on Jupiter,or a star,or in sector 28.

So either way worldwide or local,I am all for it.

So... no flooding of anything in sector 28?

 

[NayborBear]

I see no need to start name-calling, but you go ahead, if it makes you feel somehow intellectually superior...

Your interpretation of "all flesh" is simply your attempt at fitting it to YOUR belief. Eisegesis....


Anyone, reading the text of Genesis would understand clearly that God was talking about animals and birds. To try to twist it to mean other human-like species is simply making up something from whole cloth.

The word is very easy to understand, when it is read in context, using proper exegesis.... which you are not doing.

Would be very interested, in reading your explanation of just where ALL these various and sundry differences in skin color, height, and hair colors, and eye colors, came from.

 

[NayborBear]

I'm surprised that people are attaching each other over whether the flood is local or global. I'm surprised that people are attacking each other over whether Noah and his family were the only humans on the ark. I'm surprised that this thread has entered its 16th page.

And... I'm surprised that I'm surprised, because I've been around here long enough to know that "anyone" who doesn't agree with "the truth" (in other words, "my" interpretation) is dense, heretical, unbelieving, ignorant, uneducated, illiterate, eisegetical, etc. Seriously, people?

I seem to recall both Paul and Jesus saying some things about fruit...

So, perhaps it's time this thread were allowed to die while we go and check our attitudes and our egos (and our beliefs) at the Door. Yes, I meant to capitalize "Door": Yeshua. Jesus. The I Am. The One Whom most of us claim to worship.

Please don't quote this post and write anything critical. That would be a waste of your time.

Oh no, ya don't! I'm not gonna allow you to deny EG his quarry of a nice and long thread concerning a controversial topic, such as whether Noah's flood being a local phenomena, or global. Despite the verse he used in Peter, which, in this posters eyes has nothing to do with Noah's flood, as I pointed out. Nice try though!

 

[wsblind]

The reason God flooded the first earth age was because of the attempted overthrow, and, their "genetic manipulation", or tampering, which is the where the lost city of Atlantis, and Ancient Greek Mythology, where "zeus" aka beelzebub, "swept up" 1/3rd, in his "evil scheme/s"!

As far as humans?...Might be a stretch by today's standards. Methinks "souls", would be a closer definition! In "spiritual bodies", with wings, like angels?....Yet with "substance and form"?....Mere speculation! But, beings as there were for real structures built with stone/s? Leans towards some "type" of physical manifestation, doesn't it? My parents told me I had yellow jaundice when I was 5 months old. But you know what?....I really don't remember!

Why couldn't the angels build physical structures and be physical? We even see examples of it after the flood(Noah's). And IMO,even in Gen 6 we see angels operating in the Physical and being physical.

 

[dcontroversal]

Arndt and Gingrich are wrong again, ah well, that's another lexicon gone because an amateur has spoken

Bro you should lay off the tea.....you think I just whip definitions off the cuff....or maybe I use numerous Greek resources and weigh ALL the evidence and context before I make a statement???

Such as

Kittle, Friedrich, Thayer's, Englishman's, Strong's, Clark, Unger's Zondervan's, William Hershey Davis, Summer's

And thanks for the condescending remark.....the word amateur was uncalled for and to be frank, below you!

 

[JesusRules1]

So... no flooding of anything in sector 28?

Nope,and I do not know how people take it,but I was joking that it was local by way it only happened on earth,but actually believe it was worldwide.

 

[hornetguy]

Would be very interested, in reading your explanation of just where ALL these various and sundry differences in skin color, height, and hair colors, and eye colors, came from.

My opinion is that when the people had their languages confused, and they were scattered from the building of the tower of Babel is when the transformation began.

 

[NayborBear]

My opinion is that when the people had their languages confused, and they were scattered from the building of the tower of Babel is when the transformation began.

Tis an interesting opinion.

Here's what I find interesting concerning my interpretation. I'll post that up again, so, I can show you.

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort, shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.
21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

You see the first "2 of every sort" shalt thou bring into the ark, is different, then the 2nd "2 of every sort shall come unto thee". And the 2nd mention is after God lists the fowls, and cattle, and creeping things. So the reader, as well as Noah, knows God is speaking of "critters".

Which gives cause to wonder: Just who IS that, Noah is to bring into the ark to keep alive WITH thee? Which is different then the "critters" whom Noah boards on the ark, simply to keep alive?

My belief is, it's the non-adamic "races", God created on the 6th day, in Gen.-1:27. Which is different from the adamic man, or "Adam" God formed from the dust of the ground, on the day after He rested, or the 8th day. Not that this has anything to do with salvation, or, anything, but, tis this same "eth Ha-adam" blood/spirit line from which Jesus Christ would come, and from which the the Holy Priesthood, blood/spirit line would come from Issac's sons, and NOT ishmael's son's.

 

[Rockrz]

But how high was the highest mountain in time of the flood, Upon when did the leaf grow upon the tree after the flood.

It matters not... we're talking about The Almighty God here...

He's more than capable of flooding the entire earth.

Next time, He's going to destroy it with fire and it won't be no local fire!

 

[JesusRules1]

It matters not... we're talking about The Almighty God here...

He's more than capable of flooding the entire earth.

Next time, He's going to destroy it with fire and it won't be no local fire!

That is true,and the earth shall be burned up,and all the works thereof.

God is so big being an omnipresent Spirit that Him flooding the earth would be easier than us flooding a marble,because the earth is smaller to Him than a marble to us.

 

[anerlogios]

Hello all. I believe the Noahic flood to be worldwide. While there are references in Scripture that use 'world' to refer to local regions, I believe using that same application in Genesis would create a slippery slope.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

dream on !

Yep, Quotes like this is going to change people minds, and make them think christianity is a brotherhood, and something they want to be a part of..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I thought about something similar today, people don't prefer information slammed down their throats, nor do people prefer information starvation.

It's quite the balancing act between being informative yet not be so subjective.

Jesus quite regularly spoke in parables, I gather so as to allow a sense of pondering and self examination for the listener.

I agree, Sometimes we ask questions in order to get people to see our view.. It works alot (it helped me) I have no problems with this.

I do have issues with the way certain people take pot shots at others who disagree with them, with name calling and everything, Especially on issues such as this.

Like I said, Open up a tribulation or creation or flood thread. And this is what happens, it degrades into a war..