Flood - worldwide or local?

[eternally-gratefull]

Would be very interested, in reading your explanation of just where ALL these various and sundry differences in skin color, height, and hair colors, and eye colors, came from.

It was written in the genetic code..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh no, ya don't! I'm not gonna allow you to deny EG his quarry of a nice and long thread concerning a controversial topic, such as whether Noah's flood being a local phenomena, or global. Despite the verse he used in Peter, which, in this posters eyes has nothing to do with Noah's flood, as I pointed out. Nice try though!

This is why we can not have a conversation. and things get so heated.

You gave your view,, You did not "POINT OUT ANYTHING" other than what you believe,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Bro you should lay off the tea.....you think I just whip definitions off the cuff....or maybe I use numerous Greek resources and weigh ALL the evidence and context before I make a statement???

Such as

Kittle, Friedrich, Thayer's, Englishman's, Strong's, Clark, Unger's Zondervan's, William Hershey Davis, Summer's

And thanks for the condescending remark.....the word amateur was uncalled for and to be frank, below you!

You get used to it.. Actually those remarks do not surprise me anymore, Which is sad.

 

[hornetguy]

Tis an interesting opinion.

Here's what I find interesting concerning my interpretation. I'll post that up again, so, I can show you.

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort, shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.
21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

You see the first "2 of every sort" shalt thou bring into the ark, is different, then the 2nd "2 of every sort shall come unto thee". And the 2nd mention is after God lists the fowls, and cattle, and creeping things. So the reader, as well as Noah, knows God is speaking of "critters".

Which gives cause to wonder: Just who IS that, Noah is to bring into the ark to keep alive WITH thee? Which is different then the "critters" whom Noah boards on the ark, simply to keep alive?

My belief is, it's the non-adamic "races", God created on the 6th day, in Gen.-1:27. Which is different from the adamic man, or "Adam" God formed from the dust of the ground, on the day after He rested, or the 8th day. Not that this has anything to do with salvation, or, anything, but, tis this same "eth Ha-adam" blood/spirit line from which Jesus Christ would come, and from which the the Holy Priesthood, blood/spirit line would come from Issac's sons, and NOT ishmael's son's.

Interesting concept. At least parts of it...

 

[BeyondET]

Would be very interested, in reading your explanation of just where ALL these various and sundry differences in skin color, height, and hair colors, and eye colors, came from.

Ahh that's easy, deep sea coral dirt/dust.

Here's a more interesting topic, Albonoism that happens in humans, animals, vegetation, a link or something else?

 

[valiant]

Bro you should lay off the tea.....you think I just whip definitions off the cuff....or maybe I use numerous Greek resources and weigh ALL the evidence and context before I make a statement???

Such as

Kittle, Friedrich, Thayer's, Englishman's, Strong's, Clark, Unger's Zondervan's, William Hershey Davis, Summer's

But you haven't considered them, otherwise you wouldn't have written such a fallacious comment.

And thanks for the condescending remark.....the word amateur was uncalled for and to be frank, below you!

we are all amateurs as opposed to professional Greek scholars here..

But you gave eg an opportunity for his snide remark

 

[PennEd]

I haven't read the whole thread so not sure if this obvious point was made, but this pronouncement from the Lord is good enough for me to prove the flood was global. The optimal word in these verses is" ALL" in verse 15. All indicates the previous flood was worldwide, since we have had countless floods that have killed countless people throughout history.

But only ONE that destroyed ALL.

[FONT=&quot]5 and I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh. [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]16 The rainbow shall be in the cloud, and I will look on it to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.” [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]17 And God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is on the earth.”[/FONT]

 

[valiant]

I haven't read the whole thread so not sure if this obvious point was made, but this pronouncement from the Lord is good enough for me to prove the flood was global. The optimal word in these verses is" ALL" in verse 15. All indicates the previous flood was worldwide, since we have had countless floods that have killed countless people throughout history.

But only ONE that destroyed ALL.

5 and I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh. 16 The rainbow shall be in the cloud, and I will look on it to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.” 17 And God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is on the earth.”

God was speaking to Noah in the context of Noah's world view,

In fact even on your view He did not destroy all flesh upon earth. Thus it was a general statement

 

[PennEd]

God was speaking to Noah in the context of Noah's world view,

Hmm... and you know this because?.....

 

[BeyondET]

God was speaking to Noah in the context of Noah's world view,

Similar to saying, a person can see the universe with just their two eyes.

 

[valiant]

Hmm... and you know this because?.....

Other places demonstrate it clearly. e.g. 8.9 where the waters did not actually then cover the whole earth as you know it So 8.5

 

[valiant]

Similar to saying, a person can see the universe with just their two eyes.

but where does it say the Universe?

 

[BeyondET]

but where does it say the Universe?

lol the word wasn't in any language at that time, so the word heavens was used.

 

[BeyondET]

The word local wasn't either, if I'm not mistaking still isn't used in Hebrew like how the English language uses the word.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hmm... and you know this because?.....

Thank you...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Other places demonstrate it clearly. e.g. 8.9 where the waters did not actually then cover the whole earth as you know it So 8.5

[SUP]9 [/SUP]But the dove found no resting place for the sole of her foot, and she returned into the ark to him, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth. So he put out his hand and took her, and drew her into the ark to himself.

As Gen 1 States, This says the water was an the whole of the dry land (which stood out of the water) ie, it literally says, there was no dry land, because ALL of it was covered with water.

So no we do not know .You just have your opinion. and thats fine.

 

[wsblind]

[SUP]9 [/SUP]But the dove found no resting place for the sole of her foot, and she returned into the ark to him, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth. So he put out his hand and took her, and drew her into the ark to himself.

As Gen 1 States, This says the water was an the whole of the dry land (which stood out of the water) ie, it literally says, there was no dry land, because ALL of it was covered with water.

So no we do not know .You just have your opinion. and thats fine.

Why a local Flood? What would be the point of a local flood?

The ark was a type of Christ and Christ died for the WHOLE world.

Do certain sects of reformed theology or calvinism push a local flood? Based upon their belief that the "world" really means certain localities throughout the world.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why a local Flood? What would be the point of a local flood?

The ark was a type of Christ and Christ died for the WHOLE world.

Do certain sects of reformed theology or calvinism push a local flood? Based upon their belief that the "world" really means certain localities throughout the world.

That's an interesting concept. Never thought of that before.

 

[Rockrz]

Do certain sects of reformed theology or calvinism push a local flood? Based upon their belief that the "world" really means certain localities throughout the world.

No, they just want a check from FEMA

 

[PennEd]

Other places demonstrate it clearly. e.g. 8.9 where the waters did not actually then cover the whole earth as you know it So 8.5

Read about 4 translations and they all say the whole earth. Why can't we just believe God?

And my point stands. God said He would never again destroy ALL flesh by a flood.

So since we know many people have perished by OTHER floods through history, If all doesn't mean ALL then God lied.