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so are biblical sholers of the word deciple are false when they speak the words of Jesus in the new testiment ,,,,,,English version ?..............
But yet there not false when they support your doctrin ?...
its like trying to get blood out of a stone to deny the living word of Jesus.... meaning you aint going to deny him... atall
But yet there not false when they support your doctrin ?...
its like trying to get blood out of a stone to deny the living word of Jesus.... meaning you aint going to deny him... atall
i don't understand how all of you have ears but can't hear. i have said over and over and over again, that i do not teach Works based Salvation. Yet over and over and over again, this is what this generation accuses me of. Why is that? i can only guess it is because you can't accuse me of ANYTHING else. You can't accuse me of teaching things contrary to Scriptures, because i don't. You can't accuse me of teaching to do evil, because i don't teach that. So the only thing you can really accuse me of, is making up something that you THINK i believe, and then use that to discredit me in some way.
People think i teach this:
Works = Salvation.
Therefore i get all kinds of comments like this poster has done here, accusing me of Works for Salvation. But i have never, nor did i ever teach any kind of works for Salvation teaching.
i will try to make this Bigger, because for some reason when i print it at normal size, it is not read nor comprehended by a few readers on this Thread. What i teach and believe is this:
Faith + Works = Salvation
This is what i believe. So please try to do the Godly thing and stop accusing me of believing in a works based Salvation, That is a flat out LIE, and a false accusation. God will judge anyone who falsely accuses His Children.
Believing in Jesus + Good fruits that are produced = Eternal Life
Believing in Jesus - Good fruits that are produced = Death
Because people do not believe this, they will say it is from me that teaches this, but it is from Scriptures, not from me. But since they can't use Scriptures to disprove anything that i say and teach, they attack me personally, that is all they can do, because they can't attack the words that i teach, because they are not contrary to Scriptures. So they attack me.
They can't discredit me using the Word of God, so they try to discredit me personally. Oh he said this, oh he said that. NOTHING contrary to the Word of God, only contrary to what they THINK is the TRUTH.
How do you try the spirits? Through the Word of God is how. If i am false, then God shall reveal it right? Yet no one has revealed it. God has not one time to any person reading this revealed something that i have taught that is not Scriptural. Why is that? Maybe because what i teach is from God, exactly as i have plainly said and did not lie.
The reason you don't believe me, is because i teach things contrary to what YOU think is the TRUTH. You are more willing to hold on to your doctrines that you heard from men or from your own thinking, than to listen to someone who tells you things that God has told him. If i come in my own name, you would listen and believe, but since i come in the name of God, you refuse it and will not listen. Because i say "God told me" which is TRUE, you will not hear me. Why? i can only suppose, that since He has not spoken to you audibly, He must not to anyone else. God has spoken to me since i was a kid. it is not my fault, nor God's that you refuse to believe that He does speak to His children today.
If what i teach i say comes from God, and you deny what i teach, who are you then denying? You would like to say "I am denying YOU" But i clearly say what i teach comes from Him, and nothing that i teach contradicts Scritpures which would PROVE that i am false. If i taught anything at all that is contrary to Scriptures than that is the PROOF that i am false, and a liar and not to be believed. But what have you against me? Scriptures? No, not in the slightest, you have false accusations, accusing me of things that i do not believe nor ever said. And why do you do that? Because you can't find one solitary verse in all of Scriptures that will reveal to the world that i am false, that i am lying. No all you have is your false accusations against me, and accusing me of things that i have not said, nor believe.
But i love you still. and forgive you.
Note: This was said to all, not just to the poster.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
People think i teach this:
Works = Salvation.
Therefore i get all kinds of comments like this poster has done here, accusing me of Works for Salvation. But i have never, nor did i ever teach any kind of works for Salvation teaching.
i will try to make this Bigger, because for some reason when i print it at normal size, it is not read nor comprehended by a few readers on this Thread. What i teach and believe is this:
Faith + Works = Salvation
This is what i believe. So please try to do the Godly thing and stop accusing me of believing in a works based Salvation, That is a flat out LIE, and a false accusation. God will judge anyone who falsely accuses His Children.
Believing in Jesus + Good fruits that are produced = Eternal Life
Believing in Jesus - Good fruits that are produced = Death
Because people do not believe this, they will say it is from me that teaches this, but it is from Scriptures, not from me. But since they can't use Scriptures to disprove anything that i say and teach, they attack me personally, that is all they can do, because they can't attack the words that i teach, because they are not contrary to Scriptures. So they attack me.
They can't discredit me using the Word of God, so they try to discredit me personally. Oh he said this, oh he said that. NOTHING contrary to the Word of God, only contrary to what they THINK is the TRUTH.
How do you try the spirits? Through the Word of God is how. If i am false, then God shall reveal it right? Yet no one has revealed it. God has not one time to any person reading this revealed something that i have taught that is not Scriptural. Why is that? Maybe because what i teach is from God, exactly as i have plainly said and did not lie.
The reason you don't believe me, is because i teach things contrary to what YOU think is the TRUTH. You are more willing to hold on to your doctrines that you heard from men or from your own thinking, than to listen to someone who tells you things that God has told him. If i come in my own name, you would listen and believe, but since i come in the name of God, you refuse it and will not listen. Because i say "God told me" which is TRUE, you will not hear me. Why? i can only suppose, that since He has not spoken to you audibly, He must not to anyone else. God has spoken to me since i was a kid. it is not my fault, nor God's that you refuse to believe that He does speak to His children today.
If what i teach i say comes from God, and you deny what i teach, who are you then denying? You would like to say "I am denying YOU" But i clearly say what i teach comes from Him, and nothing that i teach contradicts Scritpures which would PROVE that i am false. If i taught anything at all that is contrary to Scriptures than that is the PROOF that i am false, and a liar and not to be believed. But what have you against me? Scriptures? No, not in the slightest, you have false accusations, accusing me of things that i do not believe nor ever said. And why do you do that? Because you can't find one solitary verse in all of Scriptures that will reveal to the world that i am false, that i am lying. No all you have is your false accusations against me, and accusing me of things that i have not said, nor believe.
But i love you still. and forgive you.
Note: This was said to all, not just to the poster.
^i^
††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
If Abraham was justified by works he had something to boast of, BUT NOT BEFORE GOD. For what does the Scripture say, Abraham BELIEVED God and it was counted to him for righteousness. Now to the one who works, his wages are not reckoned as a GIFT but as his DUE, but to the one who does not work, but believes on Him Who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness. So also David --- (Rom 4.2-6)
Obedience in the New Covenant.
Being "obedient to the faith" is believing in Christ and His work for us for life and living. This happens by grace through faith alone in the work of Christ.
Notice here that even the law-keeping priests need to be "obedient to the faith". The keeping of the law of Moses is NOT the same as being "obedient to the faith".
Acts 6:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] The word of God kept on spreading; and the number of the disciples continued to increase greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests were becoming obedient to the faith.
Pagans/Gentiles also need to be "obedient to the faith" and believe in Christ and what He has done for life and living.
Romans 1:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles for His name's sake,
All people of all types are called to be "obedient to the faith" - which is belief in Christ alone for life and living.
Romans 16:26 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] but now is manifested, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, has been made known to all the nations, leading to obedience of faith;
From being obedient to believe in Christ's finished work on the cross releases His life to manifest in and through us.
Being "obedient to the faith" is believing in Christ and His work for us for life and living. This happens by grace through faith alone in the work of Christ.
Notice here that even the law-keeping priests need to be "obedient to the faith". The keeping of the law of Moses is NOT the same as being "obedient to the faith".
Acts 6:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] The word of God kept on spreading; and the number of the disciples continued to increase greatly in Jerusalem, and a great many of the priests were becoming obedient to the faith.
Pagans/Gentiles also need to be "obedient to the faith" and believe in Christ and what He has done for life and living.
Romans 1:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith among all the Gentiles for His name's sake,
All people of all types are called to be "obedient to the faith" - which is belief in Christ alone for life and living.
Romans 16:26 (NASB)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] but now is manifested, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, has been made known to all the nations, leading to obedience of faith;
From being obedient to believe in Christ's finished work on the cross releases His life to manifest in and through us.
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I don't even engage him anymore.....the day he said he speaks to God, is a prophet and will be referenced by his CC chat name on the day of judgment by JESUS so as to condemn us.......yeahhhhh riggghtttt.......!
That pretty much told me all I need to know about him...and from what I have read on here and people referencing his website he also believes in a continuing cycle of reincarnation....
dcontroversal said So then you are saying that you do not believe God speaks to people. That God does not choose people to be prophets. And that nobodies name will be brought up on Judgement Day when people will plead ignorance to Jesus because they did not know the TRUTH. Tell me where is all your Scriptural references for these things, or are they merely what you believe?
Are there any Scriptures that teach God does not speak to people today? So He can and does.
Are you saying that God does not give someone the Gift of Prophesy today, that He has Prophets today? He does.
Are you saying that your name will NOT be brought up against those who denied the TRUTHS that you told them? He will.
NONE of these things is a Godly reason to dismiss a person who claims to have had conversations with God. All these things are personal biases.
And you say that i have condemned someone. Tell me if you accuse me of doing such a wicked thing, then please show where i have done that. So that i can repent of it. i have not condemned anyone at all, you, nor anyone at all have i condemned.
Now if i teach what Scriptures teach, for example if you sow to the flesh of the flesh you shall reap corruption. it is not me that condemns those who sow to the flesh, but the Word of God that teaches they will be. i have not condemned anyone at all, nor have it, nor will i ever do such a thing, i am nobodies judge. i merely teach what Scriptures teach, it is Scriptures that condemns people not me.
Mat_25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat_25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
So then if i teach they shall go away into everlasting punishment, it is not i that is condemning them, but the Word of God that has done that, not me.
Maybe, because of your own conviction of something that i have said, you thought i was condemning you to this or that fate. But just because you THINK i have condemned someone, does not make it so. If then you think that i have, then reveal it. And prove me a Liar.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Obedience in the New Covenant:
In loving God and others as Jesus says is the greatest commandment in the law in relation to obedience and it's relationship to the New Covenant command to believe in Christ and to walk in love.
Obedience to me is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man. It is not the root. It's the love of God and the life of Christ manifesting Himself in and through us to a hurt and dying world and to our fellow brethren.
It is not necessarily something "we do to be" but stems from something we "already are now" in Him and so we "do love" as we grow in our awareness of His love for us.
Works-based mindsets have this backwards and thus pervert the gospel of the grace of God in Christ.
We obey our Lord and Father because we know Him and trust in His character and obedience is not a set of rules that we follow, but a natural flow of the life of God in us built on a love-trust relationship. When you know the love of God for us we will obey Him naturally and effortlessly.
When our minds are renewed to the truth that is in Christ - we obey from our hearts effortlessly. It's a fruit of being in Christ.
I maintain that obedience is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man that is created in Christ. When we teach the grace of God this enables us to bear His fruit in and through us to reflect the true kingdom of the love and grace of God to a hurt and dying world.
Teach and preach who believers are in Christ because we are in union in one spirit with the Lord Jesus and they will "awake to righteousness" that is in them because they are a new creation in Him and sin not and walk in the good works that God has prepared for them.
In loving God and others as Jesus says is the greatest commandment in the law in relation to obedience and it's relationship to the New Covenant command to believe in Christ and to walk in love.
Obedience to me is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man. It is not the root. It's the love of God and the life of Christ manifesting Himself in and through us to a hurt and dying world and to our fellow brethren.
It is not necessarily something "we do to be" but stems from something we "already are now" in Him and so we "do love" as we grow in our awareness of His love for us.
Works-based mindsets have this backwards and thus pervert the gospel of the grace of God in Christ.
We obey our Lord and Father because we know Him and trust in His character and obedience is not a set of rules that we follow, but a natural flow of the life of God in us built on a love-trust relationship. When you know the love of God for us we will obey Him naturally and effortlessly.
When our minds are renewed to the truth that is in Christ - we obey from our hearts effortlessly. It's a fruit of being in Christ.
I maintain that obedience is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man that is created in Christ. When we teach the grace of God this enables us to bear His fruit in and through us to reflect the true kingdom of the love and grace of God to a hurt and dying world.
Teach and preach who believers are in Christ because we are in union in one spirit with the Lord Jesus and they will "awake to righteousness" that is in them because they are a new creation in Him and sin not and walk in the good works that God has prepared for them.
True and they WILL be Loving One Another. They WILL be producing much Good fruits.
True. To GET SAVED requires no works at all. But once you ARE TRULY SAVED that is when you WILL HAVE much good fruits.
Joh_15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. These are not my words, they are the words of Jesus.
If i say. Those who do not bear good fruit will be taken away from Jesus. Is it me that is doing the condemning, or did Jesus just condemn those who do not produce good fruits?
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
True. To GET SAVED requires no works at all. But once you ARE TRULY SAVED that is when you WILL HAVE much good fruits.
Joh_15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. These are not my words, they are the words of Jesus.
If i say. Those who do not bear good fruit will be taken away from Jesus. Is it me that is doing the condemning, or did Jesus just condemn those who do not produce good fruits?
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
i agree with this 100%. Whenever a person is tempted. Jesus is saying "Please look to me for Strength and Power to overcome that temptation" When they do NOT look to Jesus for help, but would rather commit the sin anyways. They have in Truth denied Jesus Christ.
Now to get those who love to live in sin to recognize that Truth is like pulling out every single tooth in your mouth with fingernail clippers.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Now to get those who love to live in sin to recognize that Truth is like pulling out every single tooth in your mouth with fingernail clippers.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave