Mental illness, demons and the BIBLE

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Whats this born again message?I can't say it because I don't know it but then again I'm not "born again" thats where you can live for decades in degeneracy and still go to Heaven as long as you "repent" correct?

Yeah that's not me, I made mistakes really really bad ones to but I made those mistakes as a punk kid with no life experience.

Then I grew up and never did that stuff again,I haven't had sex for 21 yrs because I matured and moved past having sex just for the fun of it,what you guy's call fornication,I did it for practical reasons though but I still did it.

Am I unworthy because I can't recite some Bible scripture?
 
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Like I said if reincarnation is a main factor in this conversation then OK I can see the reasoning but so far it's not a factor and I think that most Christians don't believe in reincarnation correct? some even say that it's a satanic belief.

Im learning about Christianity right now and one aspect that I've come across is Catharism I think that it's called,they do believe in reincarnation they also think that we are already in hell and you don't leave until you prove that you are worthy,you even get reincarnated back into it.

I have to say that there is valid reasoning for this,I've believed that life is nothing but a test of faith those that don't have enough faith don't make it to Heaven,He actually alludes to this in scripture by saying that He can't protect you from the demons if you don't have faith in Him.
There is no reincarnation. There is no test.

Believe God loves you and be healed by Jesus' name. That's all.
 
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Miri

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I just wanted to point out these verses.

It doesnt say demons came out of them ALL.

It doesn't say demons spoke to Jesus in EVERYONE who was sick.



Luke 4:40-41 NKJV
[40] When the sun was setting, all those who had any that were sick with
various diseases brought them to Him; and He laid His hands on every
one of them and healed them. [41] And demons also came out of many,
crying out and saying, "You are the Christ, the Son of God!" And He,
rebuking them, did not allow them to speak, for they knew that He was the Christ.
 
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Whats this born again message?I can't say it because I don't know it but then again I'm not "born again" thats where you can live for decades in degeneracy and still go to Heaven as long as you "repent" correct?

Yeah that's not me, I made mistakes really really bad ones to but I made those mistakes as a punk kid with no life experience.

Then I grew up and never did that stuff again,I haven't had sex for 21 yrs because I matured and moved past having sex just for the fun of it,what you guy's call fornication,I did it for practical reasons though but I still did it.

Am I unworthy because I can't recite some Bible scripture?
We are all unworthy but by God's grace, He loves us anyway.

To be born again is to be adopted into the family of God.

It is to hear the gospel of how much God loves you he sent Jesus to die in your place. Of how God can wash away your sins and give you a new heart. How the Holy Spirit can be your Comforter and friend. How he can teach you discernment: dividing truth from lies and how to live godly lives for God's glory.

Most people in Jesus and the apostles time didn't own a BIBLE.

Yet they still had the gospel message and there is freedom found in God's truth.
 
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Tinkerbell725

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If you cut your hand would you go to the doctor to get stitches? Would you use pain medication?

How about appendicitis?

Medicine isn't the enemy.
There are times when I lost faith in some doctors. There are those who don't really care and are only after money. But some doctors are really good. Some medicines do more harm than good like chemo drugs, drugs for kidney stones, meds for mental illness. etc. They just suppress symptoms or could cause further damage and don't deal with the root cause of the illness.

The human body is self healing. Fasting prevents and cures a lot of illnesses. Even animals heal themselves by fasting. Fasting denies the flesh and empowers the soul and spirit. Fasting is like giving the body a rest and chance to rebuild itself. Illness is sometimes caused by stress or the imbalance and lack of harmony in our body, soul and spirit. Fasting with exercise bring harmony to body, soul and spirit, thus produce healing.

We don't always need synthetic medicines. They are just for emergency cases because we have a healer within.
 
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Miri

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Whats this born again message?I can't say it because I don't know it but then again I'm not "born again" thats where you can live for decades in degeneracy and still go to Heaven as long as you "repent" correct?

Yeah that's not me, I made mistakes really really bad ones to but I made those mistakes as a punk kid with no life experience.

Then I grew up and never did that stuff again,I haven't had sex for 21 yrs because I matured and moved past having sex just for the fun of it,what you guy's call fornication,I did it for practical reasons though but I still did it.

Am I unworthy because I can't recite some Bible scripture?

Hi maybe this explains it better.


John 3:1-21 NKJV
[1] There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
[2] This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, "Rabbi, we know that
You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do
unless God is with him." [3] Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly,
I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

[4] Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter
a second time into his mother's womb and be born?" [5] Jesus answered, "Most
assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter
the kingdom of God. [6] That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is
born of the Spirit is spirit.

[7] Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' [8] The wind blows
where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from
and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit." [9] Nicodemus
answered and said to Him, "How can these things be?" [10] Jesus answered and
said to him, "Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things?

[11] Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We
have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. [12] If I have told you earthly
things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?
[13] No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that
is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. [14] And as Moses lifted up the serpent in
the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,

[15] that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. [16] For
God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes
in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. [17] For God did not send His
Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might
be saved. [18] "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not
believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the
only begotten Son of God.

[19] And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and
men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. [20] For
everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his
deeds should be exposed. [21] But he who does the truth comes to the light,
that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God."
 
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Miri

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There are times when I lost faith in some doctors. There are those who don't really care and are only after money. But some doctors are really good. Some medicines do more harm than good like chemo drugs, drugs for kidney stones, meds for mental illness. etc. They just suppress symptoms or could cause further damage and don't deal with the root cause of the illness.

The human body is self healing. Fasting prevents and cures a lot of illnesses. Even animals heal themselves by fasting. Fasting denies the flesh and empowers the soul and spirit. Fasting is like giving the body a rest and chance to rebuild itself. Illness is sometimes caused by stress or the imbalance and lack of harmony in our body, soul and spirit. Fasting with exercise bring harmony to body, soul and spirit, thus produce healing.

We don't always need synthetic medicines. They are just for emergency cases because we have a healer within.
It depends what the medical problem is. Rarely will the body heal itself of cancer,
the damage caused by a heart attack, sepsis, infections and lots of other ailments
without medical intervention. A whole load more cause serious damage before the body
can heal itself.

I had Graves' disease over active thyroid, my levels were off the scale. It's an auto
immune disorder.
I was offered radioactive iodine treatment but refused it (complicated reasons but it
basically damages the thyroid thus shutting it down).

However i did accept the meds to control my thyroid levels although even that
took two years to get the balance right. I kept dipping between over and under
active.

After three years my body had corrected itself and I came off the Meds. If I
hadnt accepted the meds at all I would have been dead from a heart attack or my
nervous system, eyes, heart, liver would have been severely damaged by the
excessive thyroxine in my system before my body healed.
 

Tinkerbell725

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Yeah auto immune diseases are quite tricky and they belong to the emergency cases. We are not sure yet if some people get healed of cancer by natural means. If it is true, pharmaceutical companies will surely do their best to hide or discredit it for their benefit. But for sure chemo drugs don't also heal. They just prolong life or prolong the agony.

I know about thyroid problems and I was also under medication of methimazole for a year. It think I got it from my mother who had the same illness when she was younger.
 
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I wonder how many realise everything we experience is a projection of the mind.
You can see from people with strokes and brain disorders layers in the process.

The most difficult thing is to empathise with someone, and get a real connection
and they loose it at some point. You can get sucked in, churned about and
spat out, and the only hurt person will be yourself.

So setting boundaries, and dealing with the real world, identifying responses
driven by illness from appropriate ones is often critical.

And then I pray, and love the individual, and push them in the right direction.
Validation of insanity makes it stronger, when it is often just the wiring gone
wrong. Mechanical wiring can go wrong, so why not the brain emotional
and conviction centres also.

What is hard for us to face, is the idea faith is also a mental illness.
My answer is Christ is the peace giver how gives rest and focus to this often
too energetic impulses.

If you want to know where fantasy touches mental illness, conspiracy theories,
flat earth idea, ufo's. It is where the possible goes just too far into the totally
improbable and downright we must be very scared...
 
Dec 17, 2013
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Of course repentance would be a condition for forgiveness but contrition is necessary for repentance and most likely someone that repents maybe hundreds of times in their life would eventually lose that contrition.

Wouldn't you agree that overuse of something will eventually wear it out?

There would and does come a point where that person that repents over and over is no longer truly contrite because the meaning of the word would be lost to them eventually.
 
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Of course repentance would be a condition for forgiveness but contrition is necessary for repentance and most likely someone that repents maybe hundreds of times in their life would eventually lose that contrition.

Wouldn't you agree that overuse of something will eventually wear it out?

There would and does come a point where that person that repents over and over is no longer truly contrite because the meaning of the word would be lost to them eventually.
This is an interesting proposal.
Another way of looking at it, is the issue often starts to be seen in a different light
and causes shift, and resolution is made where the sin no longer occurs.

Sin is always the tip of an iceberg, fail to deal with the iceberg and in the end all
fails.
 

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Of course repentance would be a condition for forgiveness but contrition is necessary for repentance and most likely someone that repents maybe hundreds of times in their life would eventually lose that contrition.

Wouldn't you agree that overuse of something will eventually wear it out?

There would and does come a point where that person that repents over and over is no longer truly contrite because the meaning of the word would be lost to them eventually.
If we had the power to repent before being born again, what do we need Jesus for? How can a dead person make themselves alive?

How many times did Jesus tell Peter to forgive?
 
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Then whats the point of life ?living in failure ("sin") and repenting for it over and over again is the whole point of life?

Not learning from those mistakes then never making them again isn't a good thing?

I don't think that repentance is a necessary part of life,a person should repent once after making mistakes as a young adult due to no life experience while earning life experience through those mistakes.
 
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You make a great point that is overlooked by most people especially the people that teach the word of God.

Before Jesus they had no Bible therefore no guide book so those scriptures about unconditional forgiveness were for them not us,we've had the Bible,his advice,for thousands of years.

We aren't supposed to live as though we have no idea what decency is what kindness is what common sense is,thats what He teaches us with the Bible.

Any adult in this day and age not aware of how to be a decent person doesn't have that awareness because there parents didn't teach them and they probably belong in hell and any that are aware and do it with repentance in mind belong in hell also.

All repentance is to someone with the life experience to know right from wrong is a means of taking advantage of God.
 
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You are absolutely correct,that's where we are now and the world is how it is now,due to unconditional forgiveness there is no such thing as "sin" anymore.
 

PennEd

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You don't sound "finallyfree".
 
Dec 17, 2013
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But back on topic those that say schizophrenia is caused by demons actually have a point because the nephillum who exist among us have the ability to go into another dimension where they are invisible to us and can tolk to us while invisible,they are among us and most are unaware because they are human/demon hybrids and yheir physical form that we see is human.

I don't think that all cases of schizophrenia are attributable to them although I could be wrong.

Ill probably start a thread on this in the conspiracy,most won't believe and those that do probably are nephillum.

Disembodied voices which is a symptom of schizophrenia can be the nephillum other symptoms of schizophrenia can also be attributed to them like the chaos in the mind is something that they can cause and do cause that's their whole point of existence is chaos satans ultimate goal.
 
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I wonder how many realise everything we experience is a projection of the mind.
You can see from people with strokes and brain disorders layers in the process.

The most difficult thing is to empathise with someone, and get a real connection
and they loose it at some point. You can get sucked in, churned about and
spat out, and the only hurt person will be yourself.

So setting boundaries, and dealing with the real world, identifying responses
driven by illness from appropriate ones is often critical.

And then I pray, and love the individual, and push them in the right direction.
Validation of insanity makes it stronger, when it is often just the wiring gone
wrong. Mechanical wiring can go wrong, so why not the brain emotional
and conviction centres also.

What is hard for us to face, is the idea faith is also a mental illness.
My answer is Christ is the peace giver how gives rest and focus to this often
too energetic impulses.

If you want to know where fantasy touches mental illness, conspiracy theories,
flat earth idea, ufo's. It is where the possible goes just too far into the totally
improbable and downright we must be very scared...
The world and your body is NOT a projection of your mind. YOU are not God. You do not have that power.

.though you can believe as you want, i strongly disagree with your stated beliefs above.

Mental illness is not strengthen by acknowledgment.

Neither is salvation a mental illness.
 
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Ariel82

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Of course repentance would be a condition for forgiveness but contrition is necessary for repentance and most likely someone that repents maybe hundreds of times in their life would eventually lose that contrition.

Wouldn't you agree that overuse of something will eventually wear it out?

There would and does come a point where that person that repents over and over is no longer truly contrite because the meaning of the word would be lost to them eventually.
I believe there is a difference between TRUE repentance and false worldly sorrow.

True repentance means the person is sorry for having sinned and disobeying God.

Godly sorrow is sorry for having been caught and made to pay the consequences.

Have a Bible verse,let me see if I can find it.

I believe equipping ourselves with God's word helps combat the lies folks try and peddle as God's truth when it's just their misconceptions or worst lies that demons have whispered to them that they believe in place of God's truth.

2 Corinthians 7:10 ►
New International Version
Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation and leaves no regret, but worldly sorrow brings death.
 
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Ariel82

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Then whats the point of life ?living in failure ("sin") and repenting for it over and over again is the whole point of life?

Not learning from those mistakes then never making them again isn't a good thing?

I don't think that repentance is a necessary part of life,a person should repent once after making mistakes as a young adult due to no life experience while earning life experience through those mistakes.
I believe we repent whenever God reveals that we have sinned, but know God forgives us a,d learn to forgive ourselves and with His help stop that revealed sin from contoling our lives.

We only need to repent and confess Jesus is savior to be saved and born again, but learning to live godly lives is a process that involves tearing spiritual strongholds that war against the knowledge of God...teaing down the lies the world has told us is true and believing God's truth.

For example: look out for number 1 (yourself)

Is replaced with love your neighbor and treat them with love and esteem better than yourself.


Or: strive for power, glory and being treated as royalty

Is replaced with Jesus washing His disciples feet and telling us to be servants and not strive to be recognized or thanked but serve with love and humility.