Mental illness, demons and the BIBLE

[sevenseas]

Why don't you?

Do you go to the hospital and heal all the sick people there?

If not, why not?

Again can you clearly state the gospel message?

I believe all born again believer should be able to do so.

sigh

apparently chokmahiel is supposedly an angelic name and a talisman for pagans etc. when I say pagans, I am not referring to just unbelievers. read 'occult'

google it

this is why he answers as he does and why salvation is not addressed

all these weird names some people choose tell an interesting story and the strange posts then actually make sense

 

[garee]

But back on topic those that say schizophrenia is caused by demons actually have a point because the nephillum who exist among us have the ability to go into another dimension where they are invisible to us and can tolk to us while invisible,they are among us and most are unaware because they are human/demon hybrids and yheir physical form that we see is human.

I don't think that all cases of schizophrenia are attributable to them although I could be wrong.

Ill probably start a thread on this in the conspiracy,most won't believe and those that do probably are nephillum.

Disembodied voices which is a symptom of schizophrenia can be the nephillum other symptoms of schizophrenia can also be attributed to them like the chaos in the mind is something that they can cause and do cause that's their whole point of existence is chaos satans ultimate goal.

Schizophrenia is simply a word used by the philosophies of this world. It means to “split the mind” This split is between the things seen the temporal , and that not seen,the eternal faith principle .Or between the real world and the world of our imagination. The same with the world bi polar, the ups and downs of living in a world of imagination, the human source of faith, or a world of faith in respect to the faith of Christ as His source to us, as we are tossed to and throw between them.
It meets the world of the spirit (not seen eternal ) and the literal(that seen the temporal ) .

Seeing a broken or depressed spirit dries up the bone marrow (the factory for the blood) as that which determines our outlook and how we feel, a mystery made known by the scriptures by the doctor of our souls.

A happy heart is good medicine and a joyful mind causes healing,But a broken spirit dries up the bones. Proverbs as a parable 17:22

By patience and a calm spirit a ruler may be persuaded, And a soft and gentle tongue breaks the bone [of resistance].Pro 25:15

Isaiah 40:31 But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

 

[Depleted]

Well I can form a focused thought on one thing right now,thinking that God can heal mental illness through prayer or ritual is absolutely nuts.

I respect God I've proved it with my life,I have enough common sense to know that God can't heal mental illness,if He can He chooses not to,which lends credibility to my theory that God isn't the nice guy that everyone thinks that He is.

Can God heal mental illness? YES! That's called "a miracle." It's called a miracle because it is outside the norm -- the way the universe is set up to work.

Does God always heal mental illness? No. If he did, then it wouldn't be a miracle, it would be the norm of how the universe is set up.

Mental illness is no different from any other ailment, albeit, it must be more frustration then some other ailments. If it's a problem, God can fix it.

Does he always? No more than he fixes any other problem. "Miracle" means something special.

Does that make God not a nice guy then? Well, yes and no. God's not a guy, so there is that. He's God. Is he nice? Sometimes. He's wrathful other times. What he is fulltime is perfect (that's what holy means) and just. And what he expects equals who he is fulltime -- perfect and just.

Perfect is going to bite us. When we sin, we become the opposite of perfect. We sin often! One sin is enough. And God being God he cannot hang with imperfect/sinners/man. (The three words all fit under one word in Ancient Hebrew -- six. Six is the number for imperfect, sinful, man.)

BUT he has a special heart for Man. He really likes us in general. Picky on who he loves specifically. (And it has nothing to do with us. It has everything to do with his choices, so if we are his, we're not special in ourselves; we're special in him.)

God being perfect, he made a way to see some of us as "perfect" to. Through Jesus Christ (both God and Man) dying on that cross as a substitute for us. And after he died he went to hell to redeem those who were to be God's people too. He sees Jesus in those of us whom he has chosen, so he sees perfect.

Make no mistake. We ALL deserve separation from God, death, and hell! That is the righteous judgement from the perfect God on the sins we have done/are doing/will do. He pulled some people out of Death Row by having Jesus die in their place. Can you think of anything nicer since we deserve Death Row? So... nice God!

Miracle? Even nicer, but not a guarantee.

We are healed by his stripes (the whipping he got before he was crucified) in that he has taken away our biggest disease -- our sin nature.

If we are his, the rest of our sicknesses, diseases, ailments, and shortcomings will leave one day, but that day is when we get our new bodies to enjoy him forever in eternity.

I don't know why he doesn't heal everyone. I do know why he hasn't healed me of my disability. I'm naturally arrogant. Put me on a long leash and I'm sure I'll go back to thinking, "I'm doing this all by myself. I don't need God."

He put me on a short-leash -- my bad back that keeps getting worse -- to remind me I need him in all things... right down to doing dishes! Good deal. Short-leashes reminds me who I belong to more often. I've got the brain of a sieve, so I need the reminder often. Constant pain is a good reminder.

 

[Depleted]

Im not saying that medicine is the enemy,that absolute faith in that medicine is the enemy.

And your reasoning is flawed because it HAS been conclusively proven that going to a doctor to have a cut stitched is a effective cure.

The one with the absolute faith is the healer. His name is God, so of course he has faith in himself. All we need is mustard seed faith. (Mustard seed -- 7-10 mustard seeds = one grain of sand.) Healing is from God by God always. His faith required. Ours? Meh. (I never completely believed I'd be healed, until after I was healed. I had hope. I had trust that God knows what he's doing.)

 

[MattTooFor]

What do you know about it?

No glasses so will type more in the morning, but I know that God did not give us a spirit of fear but of love, power and a sound mind.

Many things have been diagnosed as mental illness when it might be spiritual illness and visa versa

I believe that the Holy Spirit can help us tear down spiritual strongholds that the enemy has used to wage war upon us.

That as we leArn wisdom and read more and unstnd God says to us in the Bible we can fight off spiritual enemies and learn discernment to know what thoughts are good and leading to God and which are lies and temptations to lead us away.

What are your thoughts?

Any sermon or book recommendations?

I totally agree. In particular, I come across great numbers of "Millenials" who struggle with anxiety and panic and such. When the devils sees this inclination, they step in to deepen the problem, to try to push them further into depression and anxiety...and then it becomes a serious spiritual problem.

The problem is...in today's super-hip, superficial style of Evangelicalism there is almost zero emphasis on resisting the Devil and causing him to flee. Because of the shallow style of of much of the preaching and teaching in today's churches, there is almost no mention of "warfare praying" - going up against spirits of anxiety, spirits of depression, spirits of anger, lust, panic, etc.

Not to mention...most young men these days (including young men who are regular attenders of Evangelical churches) have watched about 800,000 porn videos. This then opens the door to demonic disturbances and attacks. Any of us who have been involved in church counseling have seen these young men (and women) pouring through the doors, relating rather frightening tales of demonic/poltergeist-type experiences.

 

[garee]

Can God heal mental illness? YES! That's called "a miracle." It's called a miracle because it is outside the norm -- the way the universe is set up to work.

Does God always heal mental illness? No. If he did, then it wouldn't be a miracle, it would be the norm of how the universe is set up.

Mental illness is no different from any other ailment, albeit, it must be more frustration then some other ailments. If it's a problem, God can fix it.

Does he always? No more than he fixes any other problem. "Miracle" means something special.

Does that make God not a nice guy then? Well, yes and no. God's not a guy, so there is that. He's God. Is he nice? Sometimes. He's wrathful other times. What he is fulltime is perfect (that's what holy means) and just. And what he expects equals who he is fulltime -- perfect and just.

Perfect is going to bite us. When we sin, we become the opposite of perfect. We sin often! One sin is enough. And God being God he cannot hang with imperfect/sinners/man. (The three words all fit under one word in Ancient Hebrew -- six. Six is the number for imperfect, sinful, man.)

BUT he has a special heart for Man. He really likes us in general. Picky on who he loves specifically. (And it has nothing to do with us. It has everything to do with his choices, so if we are his, we're not special in ourselves; we're special in him.)

God being perfect, he made a way to see some of us as "perfect" to. Through Jesus Christ (both God and Man) dying on that cross as a substitute for us. And after he died he went to hell to redeem those who were to be God's people too. He sees Jesus in those of us whom he has chosen, so he sees perfect.

Make no mistake. We ALL deserve separation from God, death, and hell! That is the righteous judgement from the perfect God on the sins we have done/are doing/will do. He pulled some people out of Death Row by having Jesus die in their place. Can you think of anything nicer since we deserve Death Row? So... nice God!

Miracle? Even nicer, but not a guarantee.

We are healed by his stripes (the whipping he got before he was crucified) in that he has taken away our biggest disease -- our sin nature.

If we are his, the rest of our sicknesses, diseases, ailments, and shortcomings will leave one day, but that day is when we get our new bodies to enjoy him forever in eternity.

I don't know why he doesn't heal everyone. I do know why he hasn't healed me of my disability. I'm naturally arrogant. Put me on a long leash and I'm sure I'll go back to thinking, "I'm doing this all by myself. I don't need God."

He put me on a short-leash -- my bad back that keeps getting worse -- to remind me I need him in all things... right down to doing dishes! Good deal. Short-leashes reminds me who I belong to more often. I've got the brain of a sieve, so I need the reminder often. Constant pain is a good reminder.

I was reminded of that Jack and Diane song (love hurts so good) how come it does not feel as it should?

I would agree we can suffer for doing right or that which offends or God, as sign of unbelief (no faith)

Interesting God used the plague of leprosy, no pain in respect to a calloused hard heart as the outcome of not putting ones faith in respect to the faith of Christ which comes from hearing God through His living abiding word.

This (dead flesh) shows them they are dead in their trespass and sins without a living Hope from a living God...

That they may believe that the LORD God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath appeared unto thee.And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow.And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh.And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign Exo 4:5-8

 

[blue_ladybug]

Yes and that type of preaching is exactly what ticks off people like me..who gets told over and over that I don't have enough faith/belief/hope..

And to those who preach Joseph Prince on here, the mods have posted a thread that specifically states that that is NOT allowed here, so please cease your JP.

I have to say I am troubled by this preaching that boils down to not having enough faith to allow Jesus to heal. Several people I do love and respect have been pushing this concept.

I don't know what to make of them. Like I said I'm troubled by it.

 

[blue_ladybug]

I will re-iterate my thought on another thread, that you have a pretty crappy attitude towards God. Of course He can heal mental illness, but as has been proven time and again, HE DOES NOT HEAL EVERY ONE. Whether it's mental illness, epilepsy or cancer. WHY He chooses to heal some, and not others, is a reason known only to Him. And you're mistaken if you think it's because He's not a nice guy..

Well I can form a focused thought on one thing right now,thinking that God can heal mental illness through prayer or ritual is absolutely nuts.

I respect God I've proved it with my life,I have enough common sense to know that God can't heal mental illness,if He can He chooses not to,which lends credibility to my theory that God isn't the nice guy that everyone thinks that He is.

 

[Locutus]

So many experts with differing opinions..

 

[blue_ladybug]

That's because he isn't. He sits in his room 24/7, afraid to face the unbelievers of the world, yet hoping that they will kill him because he's waited for 21 years to die.

And that's NOT an assumption on my part. Those are his own words from another thread in another forum. IFF, you won't find freedom hiding away in your hermit crab bedroom. You need to get out and mingle with the world. Only then, will you be able to reconnect with God.

You don't sound "finallyfree".

 

[blue_ladybug]

I don't see any posts where people have said they're experts. Please show me them, if they do in fact exist. And opinions are like eyeballs, everybody has one.. lol

So many experts with differing opinions..

 

[Locutus]

I don't see any posts where people have said they're experts. Please show me them, if they do in fact exist. And opinions are like eyeballs, everybody has one.. lol

Do you want me to loan you my "expert" detector...

 

[Ariel82]

Do you want me to loan you my "expert" detector...

Hope it doesn't go off when you wave it near me. Definitely not an expert, just a child of God trusting in Him and His love.

 

[Tinkerbell725]

The one with the absolute faith is the healer. His name is God, so of course he has faith in himself. All we need is mustard seed faith. (Mustard seed -- 7-10 mustard seeds = one grain of sand.) Healing is from God by God always. His faith required. Ours? Meh. (I never completely believed I'd be healed, until after I was healed. I had hope. I had trust that God knows what he's doing.)

Mark 11:20-24


What level is the mustard seed faith?

Mark 11:23 says, ...there should be no doubt in your heart.

 

[Ariel82]

That's because he isn't. He sits in his room 24/7, afraid to face the unbelievers of the world, yet hoping that they will kill him because he's waited for 21 years to die.

And that's NOT an assumption on my part. Those are his own words from another thread in another forum. IFF, you won't find freedom hiding away in your hermit crab bedroom. You need to get out and mingle with the world. Only then, will you be able to reconnect with God.

He has admitted to mental illness. From the sound of it, he may or may not be getting medical treatment.

We have an occultist pretending to be Christian (i can't spell his name) shooting his mouth about medicine and doctors when he can't even talk about salvation.

What he needs is prayer that God gives him the courage and wisdom to seek help from doctors and mature Christians. What he needs is the clear gospel message.

It that is what he posted then he is depressed.

I don't know, I will just pray and hope others around him reach out with God's love and truth.

God doesn't give us a spirit of fear, but of love, power and a sound mind.

I will pray he will understand the gospel message and is born again through God's holy spirit.

 

[Hungry]

Yes and that type of preaching is exactly what ticks off people like me..who gets told over and over that I don't have enough faith/belief/hope..

And to those who preach Joseph Prince on here, the mods have posted a thread that specifically states that that is NOT allowed here, so please cease your JP.

Not all are healers. Just like all don't speak in tongues. Even many of the healings in the Bible aren't to free people from pain and sickness. Often it was to validate the authority of the preacher. It gives glory to God and causes the witnesses to closer heed the word of the speaker.

 

[NayborBear]

Personally I believe everyone is attacked by demons. Even Jesus was tempted by Satan in the desert.

However I do NOT believe in blaming demons for every sin humans commit.

I believe those truly possessed by demons are not in control of their physical body and their soul cries out for deliverance, which any Holy Spirit filled believer can give them by clearly proclaiming the gospel and having them accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

However, I believe mental illness is not the same as demon possession, though people often mislabel one of the other.

Mental illness is a physical illness of the mind and like a physical illness of the nervous system or the heart or the blood. I believe someone with mental illness is like someone who is confined to a wheelchair. If that makes any sense.

I do believe that demonic possession can cause physical illness. But not all physical illness is demonic possession. Also not all demon possessed people display physical illnesses.

Satan is called an angel of light and his minions pose as ministers of righteousness.

So it's a complex topic.

There are (how can I say), forces, that manifest/manipulate themselves in ways, that, are not actually demons! Force such as "rulers of darkness", "powers and principalities", and the kicker? "spiritual wickedness in high places". These are "forces" we struggle with, in myriads of ways, and the believer's seemingly inability to "overcome, defeat, and DESTROY" them...HOPEFULLY, before they destroy us! Don't believe me? Would ya believe the Apostle Paul's version of this? Where it's like "running a marathon", also, "beating his chest", or how he disdains his own self, because of his INABILITY, in making himself do that which another part of himself, is telling him he ought NOT do?

There are some things that Jesus can do! MOST things, however, are things that ONLY the Lord Of The Harvest, can do! Your "mission", should you decide to accept it, is to allow the "angels of the Harvester" to pluck you up, tares n ALL, to the threshing room floor, where after some "drying time", will separate you from the tares! HOWEVER, there are some tares, that have entangled themselves so tightly TO you, that the "harvester Himself", Tells His angels, to "bring him/her to ME, and I'll make the determination as to their fate!".....I have come to call this whole "parable of the Lord of the Harvest", as "the VETTING process". To use modern words and terms that might cause people who couldn't tell the difference between a harrow and a manure spreader , in understanding "agrarian terminology", that the people of the N.T. were familiar with, and could understand.

I know, Mission Impossible, right? It's NOT impossible, but it IS rather DAUNTING, at some times more then others.

The hardest part, I see in believer's of today, is ones' correctly separating, and IDENTIFYING, the "Son", FROM, His Father!

 

[sevenseas]

So many experts with differing opinions..

well that's your opinion LOL!

 

[joaniemarie]

Originally Posted by Depleted

I'm chuckling here. You probably don't remember this, but when you joined this site (which now feels like a long time ago), I was in this very conversation you are now having with JoanieMarie, and you kind of thought I was going off on her.

This is it. This is what happens every time. It circles something like this:
-- Jesus heals everyone.
-- No one else on here believes Jesus heals at all, but the Holy Spirit showed me that Jesus heals everyone who believes.
-- Something is wrong with you, if you do not believe this/that Jesus can heal/that Jesus does heal.
-- Something is wrong with everyone because I know Jesus heals everyone.
-- I'm not special for knowing that Jesus heals everyone. You will get there yourself when you believe right, but...
-- Jesus heals everyone.

There really is no outside that circle. I've seen many try to break the circle long enough that she could answer a question outside that circle, but then we are all downers/nonbelievers/depressing/etc. because we do not know that Jesus heals everyone. We don't think Jesus heals anyone.

And this is right about the time when you and I first met, and you thought I was being tough on her.

I tried to tell you then. Maybe you can understand now. She promotes Joseph Prince. It's a bad gospel. It is preparing for the big game by psyche yourself up enough that it can happen, if you just believe hard enough, and that is the only purpose of it -- to be healed and get what you want out of God. And when honestly faced, it does not work. BUT my fear is that if she keeps preaching this some babe in Christ is going to think it's the gospel, try to get the healing, and when that fails, blames God instead of the false gospel being received.

I hope you can reach her when so many others have tried.






you know, this is just about exhausting

I see what you are saying

the following, from your post 59, pretty much sums up what I think I am seeing


This is it. This is what happens every time. It circles something like this:
-- Jesus heals everyone.
-- No one else on here believes Jesus heals at all, but the Holy Spirit showed me that Jesus heals everyone who believes.
-- Something is wrong with you, if you do not believe this/that Jesus can heal/that Jesus does heal.
-- Something is wrong with everyone because I know Jesus heals everyone.
-- I'm not special for knowing that Jesus heals everyone. You will get there yourself when you believe right, but...
-- Jesus heals everyone.


a grade 3 reading course with the required passing grade including comprehension might go a long way

I hope God can reach those who insist on what is not insistable (take that spell check)

I never asked any of the questions that I am being given answers to; mind you if I were, I would not find half the references applicable to the questions I am not asking

mercy! I'm not a genius, but people! you cannot insist on something you want to believe that is not true and insist that it is only not true if you don't believe it

ps...sorry Lynn. I don't remember it. Maybe I did not understand all that was being said because I sure do not agree with what is being presented at this moment





I could spend lot's of time correcting you Depleted for your misrepresentation of me on these CC forums but I've kept my responses to you at a minimum as it does not yield much in the way of you even being friendly. You just get more bitter as I've already learned in dealing with you.

What you posted here about me are not my words or my heart attitude. And it's wrong of you to post it as though it was the truth when it is not the truth. You are a childish woman in need of a reality check when it comes to those who don't agree with you.

I've been on these forums long enough to know that there are some people (like you Depleted) who cannot agree to disagree but must in your disagreement also have the added "benefit" of wanting to "deplete" those who you chose to see as the "opponent" anyone who doesn't see things the way you do. This is not the way to be. You have dealt with me as an "opponent" for a long time now.

It does not promote any sort of sisterly affection and it is a bad testimony for the very kind of Christian you promote yourself to be. And so in light of our Christian relations I'd like to remind you of the standard we believers should be espousing and ask you to stop treating me as the enemy.

 

[joaniemarie]

Joanie ~ I did not ask, nor am I struggling with the question 'why doesn't God heal everyone?' This is perhaps something that you are questioning, but I did not ask it and I don't know why you seem to think that I did.

Blame? was there something about blaming? if there was I missed it and I know I didn't bring that up either

Are you perhaps confusing my posts with posts from others?

My question has not at all been addressed by you, or anyone else here actually, so here it is again:

Does it not indicate something missing in the equation for people to keep saying part of the atonement is healing, when Jesus healed BEFORE He died? He did not have to die to heal...yet, He had to die for our sins to be forgiven.

It seems to me this is a major point that is conveniently overlooked.

I would like to see that addressed. That, and the fact that people were healed in the Old Testament, yet, we know that the blood of bulls and rams could not actually forgive sins. ONLY the blood of Christ does that.

So how about it? Someone who thinks healing is for everyone (even though most are not healed) want to address that?

notice, please, that there is nothing there that suggests any sort of blame or any questions regarding why everyone is not healed

God healed in the Old Testament, I included scripture in my post 27 that referenced that and I also pointed out that Jesus healed BEFORE the crucifixion. He did NOT have to die to heal, and since God already has/had demonstrated a complete capacity to heal and a desire to heal and the mercy and grace to heal in the OLD testament, why do people reference healing for ALL because of the atonement?

I would like to point out that EVERYONE is invited by God through His Son to be saved...whosoever will, right ? but NOWHERE do we read whosoever will may be healed

your verses are not answering my question.

I stated more than once that I do believe God heals today, so kindly do not question my faith again.

I believe that deliverance from the demonic is also healing, but I get the impression from your posts you are speaking more along the lines of physical healing from sickness etc

How on earth anyone at all can insist healing is for everyone is not basing that belief on the Bible because God says that exactly no where in the Bible. He does say we can be healed and He does say to pray and in fact Jesus encourages us to pray at all times and never give up.

I can insist the earth is flat, but that will not make so. Healing of all physical ailments is not a part of the atonement or God would not have healed until AFTER Christ arose from the dead!!! Notice that all animal sacrifices were ONLY a stop gap measure...ONLY Jesus blood actually creates the perfect forgiveness to present ourselves holy to God through Him

Salvation from sins IS the atonement.

Sevenseas, I have shared with you what I believe about healing in the atonement. What I believe is not up for debate. I'm simply sharing with you and others here about my faith. And giving the Bible references that encourage me along the way. I'm not looking for your approval. I simply wanted to share with you and others what Jesus has done for me and why I believe the way I do in the hopes of encouraging others who may be seeking healing.

Jesus has healed me in many areas mentally and physically. And it happened just as I said. In sharing my faith, I did not/do not judge you or anyone. I simply shared my faith. I do in fact believe Jesus heals all who come to Him. How that manifests in people's lives varies.

How each one of us reads the Bible and take truths from it is very individual. So when I take healing from the truths I see in the Bible., and get on CC and share about that healing..., it does not mean I am "judging" anyone who is not healed.

I've read a few people here say that by believing in healing by faith it some how is saying those who are not healed are at fault. (!!!!) What?????

I didn't say that nor do others who believe as I do. It is not for anyone to judge why others are not healed. I should think we as Christians would rejoice with those who are healed instead of finding fault with them for proclaiming in the healing power of Jesus.

So, if you and others here on this thread do not agree with me that is fine. Don't agree with me and go about your lives no one is judging you. I believe in healing and not in the way you gave an example of in believing the earth is flat and expecting it to be true by my faith. The object of my faith is not a flat earth.

Jesus has promised me many things and I've acted on those promises by faith and have seen Him fulfill those promises. And healing has been a part of that and will be a part of that for my life. It's not what I say, it's what His Word says. If you and others don't interpret the Bible verses to mean you get healed than don't.
But I do and will. And may we each be able to co exist; healed or not healed... free or not free., being in mental bondage or not being in mental bondage. May we each be waiting for His promises to be revealed and get along in the process.