Sabbath

beta · Apr 4, 2017

I would suggest that anyone who wants to understand the problems behind the Sabbathkeeper position should review the thread at the link below and the article associated with it.

The author is a former Seventh Day Adventist.

One of the biggest hindrances for both Sabbathkeepers AND non-observers in understanding this issue is falsely dividing the Ten Commandments from the rest of the Torah. If a Sabbath non-observer maintains that the Ten Commandments as a whole are still applicable, his discussions with Seventh Day Adventists are hindered, as he is displaying an inconsistency.

The key is that the Torah is one unified law. The Ten Commandments occupied a prominent place in the Torah but they were not separate from it. And, particularly, the Sabbath as well as physical circumcision were signs of the Mosaic Covenant. Christians are not under the Mosaic Covenant, and therefore its signs are not applicable to them as binding moral law.

The signs associated with Christians are baptism and the Lord's Supper. Baptism is the one-time entry sign into the New Covenant, similar to physical circumcision (although salvation has already occurred in the baptized person; I do not believe in baptismal regeneration). The Lord's Supper is the continuing, remembrance sign, similar to the Sabbath (Jesus said to observe the Lord's Supper in remembrance of him, and the Sabbath command says to "remember the Sabbath"). Sabbath (and festivals for that matter) were like "anniversaries" or remembrances of the covenant relationship the Israelite had with God under the Mosaic Covenant. See Hosea 2 where God "divorced" Israel and took away her Sabbaths and festivals due to unfaithfulness. It's almost like he was saying...you're no longer my wife, you whore..take my ring off...the Sabbath and festivals were "reminders" of the relationship God had with ancient Israel, much like a ring is the reminder of the marriage covenant between humans. God wouldn't have "taken away" the Sabbath and festivals if they were moral laws...God doesn't take away enduring, moral laws...therefore the Sabbath and festivals are not enduring, moral laws.

And, as Colossians 2:16-17 points out, the Sabbath pointed to Jesus as our spiritual rest. See Matthew 11:28-30 and Hebrews 3-4 in this regard. The "rest of God", which is entering into the faith relationship with Jesus, or, in other words redemption, is displayed here by several types. One is the creation day rest of God...another is the Promised Land of ancient Israel...the Sabbath is another redemptive type, just like physical circumcision is a type of redemption.

Colossians 2:16-17 is powerful in this regard. It is so powerful that SDAs spend a lot of time trying to refute that it is talking about the weekly Sabbath, but it most certainly is. There is no place in the NT where sabbaton (the word used for Sabbaths) can be conclusively tied to anything other than the weekly Sabbath, yet SDAs attempt to claim that it is referring to something else.

As I've said before, though, I have no issue with Sabbathkeepers as long as they don't claim non-observers are in sin, and that keeping the Sabbath is a requirement, condition or necessary fruit of salvation.

Here's the article I mentioned. Understanding the points in it are very important to being consistent in one's discussion about the Sabbath with observers:

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...aw-view-how-affects-sdas-torah-observers.html

I don't think God considered it nonsense when He spoke the 10 Commandments to the assembly and added no more - thus separating them from the commandments contained in ordinances which Jesus abolished Deut 5v22 and Eph 2v15. And this separation came about on peoples own say-so when they refused to hear God anymore Deut 5v25, Ex 20v18,19,
So GOD HIMSELF separated the 10 which Jesus still teaches on in the NT - to love God and neighbour !!!
They are also the 'law referred to in 1Joh 3v4 and is 'sin' to transgress. Christians have no other commandments but these.

garee · Apr 4, 2017

beta said:

The word Sabbath is not a time sensitive word.It means rest without any other meaning added to it, which it appears some do ,violating the law not to add new meaning to a word..seeing it would change the authorship and the context.

The scriptures call it (Sabbath) Today.It is any day we hear his voice and not harden our hearts as he gives us His faith to make possible to believe. Without His faith that comes from hearing Him not seen working in us to both will and do his good pleasure no man could please God.

There are different ceremonial shadows that point to the rest we have in Christ. The seventh is which was changed to the first day of the week as the new era of Sabbaths gives a person a rest from the normal activities needed to provide food necessary for the flesh as well as a spiritual work of trying please God by something they could do.. It is day set aside that we can work to bring the gospel into the world.The true fast the gospel spoke of which can cast out demons as lying spirits.

For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:Again, he limiteth a "certain day", saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will "hear his voice", harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.Heb 4:4

prove-all · Apr 4, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

As I pointed out , we keep the Sabbath ,
as it says in the new testement way.

also we keep the passover as per [the new testement] command

BeyondET · Apr 4, 2017

Lk2:21 On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise him, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he had been conceived.

hornetguy · Apr 4, 2017

prove-all said:

So, you have your lamb ready to slaughter?

Will you fulfill the 3-4 days of inspection, to ensure it is a blemish-free lamb?

Are you going to rid your house of anything that has leaven in it?

garee · Apr 4, 2017

Sorry in advance for the rambling.

The subject matter as it reads ...

2Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

I would offer it’s what I believe the word of God informs us, hopefully not what I or anyone reads into it. It’s how we express our private interpretations as opinions when we do study His interpretation, the Bible, the letter of His law, as that which we see with our eyes. That law kills showing all men are guilty and have an eternal debt they could never pay by something they could perform. This is unlike the law of faith, as a work of God it heals and creates anew. By it He gives us our spiritual understanding, comparing spiritual things of God not seen, with spiritual things not seen, or called from faith to faith. It is how I believe we can hear Him who has no form.

I agree with that verse which seems you are reading something in to it, as if God was a man as us and does have flesh and blood made after the rudiments of this world.A difference between the things of God not seen, and man seen, as the things of men must be made.It is there that the father of lies tries to get his foothold in the door in order to sell his false gospel .Not distinguishing between the two offends God according to what He reveals, as it is written

Flesh is flesh as that seen the temporal, and Spirit is Spirit the eternal , as the unseen life essence of the flesh.
In that way the life of the flesh is in the blood but the essence of that spirit life is not literal blood without the spirit essence of life.

It’s one of the reasons the Jehovah Witnesses error in and has cost many lives when they refuse blood transfusions. The same with the Catholics who must walk by sight hoping the flesh could profit for something (everything in their case)..

Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

We do not know Christ after the temporal flesh that he put on for a one time demonstration of his unseen work pouring out His Spirit on flesh.

God has no form in respect to flesh. He came and of His own volition put on corrupted flesh that aged in a process leading to death and the destruction of the flesh, just as he promised.

The worldly point of view is that men could see the son of man. natural man with out the Spirit of Christ had no spiritual insight that comes from hearing His voice.

The Son of man used those who walk after the flesh as a demonstration of how not to be faithless by looking to the outward appearance but believe according to the same spirit of faith according as it is written. The Son of man resisted all attempts of making himself equal with God who has no form, even though they were one Spirit.( The father and I are one)

Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and “be not faithless”, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God. Joh 20:27

By faith (the unseen ) Thomas believed.

Again we walk by faith the unseen eternal, not after the three avenues of this corrupted world ...through the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh as the pride foundation of this short life.They have already received their reward as bragging rights.

Yes we have the mind of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God. It’s why we are called new creatures. If not according to 2 John1:7 the old things would not be gone and men would still be looking for Him to come in the flesh.

God has no beginning of days or end of Spirit life. He came appeared in the flesh for a one time demonstration and disappeared just as he came, without sight. No such things as spiritual flesh as if God had a form.

2John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Is come, past tense. Some are still looking .

It’s my living hope that I do.

Seeing by faith(the unseen) and not by human sight a God who has no form.... therefore we understand he was not made after the rudiments of this world (flesh and blood, dust and water). Then in that way neither you nor I have seen Him. The ones that did, are dead.

He reveals his thoughts by the light his spiritual word; it illuminates our path as the eyes of our new heart. You could say a new soul as a means of having a living hope. He calls that living hope walking/understanding by faith (His) and not by sight.
Image is likeness as a representation of that not seen. It provides the glory of God or the face of God according to His grace, as a glory not seen, but is revealed to us through the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God.. If any man has not the Spirit of Christ they do not belong to Him .

He as a representation was like God who remains without mother and father beginning of days or end of Spirit life. He is not created as if we could now Christ after the rudiments of this world through the philosophies as oral traditions of men..

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Col 1:15

He created them for Himself. Not leaving us as orphans (fatherless) or widows not having a husband (Christ) He leaves us his precepts as interpretation laws so that we might find Him who is not very far from us, again as our way of hearing Him who remains without form.

While we look not at the “things which are seen”, but at the “things which are not seen”: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal. 2Corinthians 4:18

Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: Act 17:25

If we would destroy the foundation of faith (the unseen) , How could we hear God who remains without form?

Psalms 11:3 If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?

Makes me wonder(a faith principle) that when He does come on the last day will he find faith or a worn out religious book according to the will of natural man?

And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless “when the Son of man cometh”, shall he find faith on the earth? Luk 18:7

BeyondET · Apr 4, 2017

[video=youtube;V7hZb_ytlrg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7hZb_ytlrg[/video]

garee · Apr 4, 2017

prove-all said:

You can keep them they as shadows(ceremonial laws) they just do not have any affect on forgiveness of sin.We continue to walk by faith .

The new testament reveals it as a shadow which makes it a ceremonial law used in ceremonies that pointed ahead as shadows to the suffering of Christ before hand and the glory that did follow. the time of refomation has come. the shadow became substance. we look back they by the faith of Christ that lived in them, looked ahead.

My suggestion in (black parentheses)

1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time (reformation) the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it (the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,) testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

We are not to evaluate each other in respect to shadows. I would suggest studying to find the purpose of ceremonial laws, it is because they were misused that that the apostate Jews, rejected Christ, the substance of those shadows. We cannot worship shadows and call that walking by faith .

The book of Hebrews in respect to shadows as ceremonial laws is why he inspired men to record His thoughts according to His ways. The time of reformation had come the veil is rent indicating he has come in the flesh. The government of God was restored to another time period . Its what reformations do, restore.

Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure/parable for thetime "then present", in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them "until" the time of "reformation".Heb 9:6 -10

Again I would suggest you study to learn the difference between ceremonial laws as that which we cannot judge one another after and moral laws that effect everyone that comes into this world is under as the judgement of God.

Things of God not seen or those of men seen?

No man can serves two masters as teaching authorities. One is our master in heaven in that way we are to call no man master Rabbi on earth.One is our master in heaven

prove-all · Apr 4, 2017

Originally Posted by prove-all

As I pointed out , we keep the Sabbath ,
as it says in the new testement way.

also we keep the passover as per [the new testement] command

hornetguy said:

For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto,
but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

Luke 14:3 (KJV)
And Jesus answering spake unto the lawyers and Pharisees, saying,
Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath day?

Luke 22:15 (KJV) And he said unto them,
With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

-New testament command-passover just started, right after dark on the 14th

22And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it,
and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.

23And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks,
he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.

24And he said unto them, This is my blood of [the new testament],
which is shed for many.

25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine,
until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

-Jesus changed [the simbles] , not the passover holy day occurance.
we use wine now instead, we do not have to physicaly kill an animal.

still only happened once a year, no more sacrifices required, he is our priest.

1 Corinthians 5:7
Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye
are unleavened. For even [Christ] our passover is [sacrificed] for us:

-passover was once a year, because of this act of Christs shed blood.

1 Corinthians 5:8
Therefore let us [keep the feast],
Not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness;
but with the unleavened bread of [sincerity and truth].

-bible tells use to keep [a feast], then he goes on to say how to keep it,
But he said to keep [a] feast day. this is the first day of unleavened bread.
another name is [the night to be most remembered] in the o.t.

-
Mark 8:15 (KJV)
And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of
the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod.

Matthew 16:6 (KJV)
Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven
of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Matthew 16:11 (KJV)
How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread,
that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?

Matthew 16:12 (KJV)
Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread,
but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Matthew 23:25 (KJV)
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside
of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
-
“Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them
[pagan religious customs] … and that thou inquire not after their gods

People do not want to put sin out of there lives and believe a lie.
-deciples keep the [feast of unleavened bread] after Christs death

Acts 12:3 (KJV)
And because he saw it pleased the Jews, he proceeded further to take Peter also.
(Then were the days of unleavened bread.)

Acts 20:6 (KJV)
And we sailed away from Philippi after (the days of unleavened bread),
and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.

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13And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when
I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy
you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

14And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the
Lord throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.
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16And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there
shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save
that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you

17And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread; for in this selfsame day
have I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe
this day in your generations by an ordinance for ever.

“Ye shall not do after all the things that we do here this day,
every man whatsoever is right in his own eyes”
-

Do you acept the Lords Passover, Jesus blood shed for every man.
That pays for our past sins we have commited againest man and God.
Are we going to rid your houses of false religion and idols? this unleaven

Grace777x70 · Apr 4, 2017

Originally Posted by Grace777x70

Originally Posted by Grace777x70
Is it a sin if a Gentile Christian does not keep the Sabbath as laid out in the Law of Moses?

prove-all said:

Are you a Philadelphia lawyer?

Let ask you again.

Is it a sin if a Gentile Christian does not keep the Sabbath as laid out in the Law of Moses?

beta · Apr 4, 2017

garee said:

The commandment does not speak of a sabbath=rest only, it specifically mentions a DAY which most certainly is 'time-sensitive !!!
And if ToDay (or any other day people claim) is the sabbath why did he speak of another day ? When people hear His voice does not mean that day IS the sabbath - the voice is telling us WHEN it is ! The day of rest or 7th Day SABBAT is still outstanding for God's people - they are not yet keeping it ! Could be some are not His people unless/until they repent. It is required of all people who want to enter His Kingdom !
Time or a 24 hour period was fixed at creation - it can not be moved or erased - God's presence is in it. We ''share in God's holiness when we 'start by sharing His holy time/day and will eventually spread to 'all time....as we grow in Him.

prove-all · Apr 4, 2017

The Voice

GENESIS 26
[3]Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee,
and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I WILL PERFORM THE OATH
WHICH I SWARE UNTO ABRAHAM thy father;

[4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed
all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

[5] BECAUSE THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE, and kept my charge,
MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS.

And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
because thou hast obeyed my voice.

Abraham was observing to keep Gods 10 commandments
He heard and obeyed Gods "voice".

DEUT. 27
[8] And thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this law very plainly.

[9] And Moses and the priests the Levites spake unto all Israel, saying, Take heed,
and hearken, O Israel; this day thou art become the people of the Lord thy God .

[10] Thou shalt therefore OBEY THE VOICE of the Lord thy God, and
DO HIS COMMANDMENTS and his statutes, which I command thee this day.

The voice

DEUT. 4 [12] And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire:
ye heard THE VOICE of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.

[13] And he declared unto you his covenant, which HE COMMANDED
YOU TO PERFORM, EVEN TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote
them upon two tables of stone.

ZEPHANIAH 3
[1] Woe to her that is filthy and polluted, to the oppressing city!
[2] SHE OBEYED NOT THE VOICE; she received not correction; she trusted not in the
LORD; she drew not near to her God. [3] Her princes within her are ROARING LIONS;
her judges are evening WOLVES; they gnaw not the bones till the morrow.

[4] Her prophets are light and treacherous persons: her priests have polluted
the sanctuary, THEY HAVE DONE VIOLENCE TO THE LAW.

JOHN 10
[27] MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, and I know them, and they follow me:

[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish,
neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Also Gods sheep shall also hear His “voice”.

HEBREWS 4 [6] Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they
to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

[7] Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time;
as it is said, TO DAY IF YE WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, harden not your hearts.

This was prophecied to happen.

DEUTERONOMY 4
[26] I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish
from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days
upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed.

[27] And THE LORD SHALL SCATTER YOU AMONG THE NATIONS, and ye shall
be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.

[28] And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone,
which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell.

[29] But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him,
if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

[30] When thou art in TRIBULATION, and all these things are come upon thee,
even in THE LATTER DAYS, if thou turn to the LORD thy God,
and shalt be OBEDIENT UNTO HIS VOICE;

[31] (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God he will not forsake thee, neither
destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

[copied from a friend]

beta · Apr 4, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

Scripture says it is SIN to transgress the law/commandments which are to ''love God and neighbour....as set out in scripture ! YOU are adding Moses.

Grace777x70 · Apr 4, 2017

beta said:

The belief that one needs to keep the law of Moses for any reason for a Christian and if they don't they are sinning - is a Judaizer belief and it is a perversion of the gospel of Christ. It is an anti-Christ belief system that denies the work of Christ and tries to get believers to exchange Christ for the Law.

The law is the ten commandments. I have shown you that multiple times but I will again for the sake that readers don't get sucked into the deserting Christ that Sabbath-keepers are trying to deceive others into doing.

Paul knew the law of Moses better than anyone and he said that "coveting" is the law. Coveting is one of the 10 commandments.

Romans 7:4-7 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God
.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death.

[SUP]6 [/SUP] But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

[SUP]7 [/SUP] What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."

We will not dessert our Lord for the law of Moses and commit spiritual adultery and we will stand against this Judiazing to pervert the gospel just like Paul said he did in Gal. 2:5

Here is what Paul said concerning those that were trying to get the Christians to "do the Law".

Galatians 2:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.

prove-all · Apr 4, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

let me say again: in the [new testement] way of keeping the Sabbath day we do.

so no the plain answer: the Sabbath day in the old testement is not by the letter here.

I do not go and kill someone for breaking it,
also I can help a neighbor in emergency needs.

Jesus came to serve, not to be served.
If i do service to God on this day and not my own pleasures is ok.

As Jesus custom was

BeyondET · Apr 4, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

The belief that one needs to keep the law of Moses for any reason for a Christian and if they don't they are sinning - is a Judaizer belief and it is a perversion of the gospel of Christ. It is an anti-Christ belief system that denies the work of Christ and tries to get believers to exchange Christ for the Law.

The law is the ten commandments. I have shown you that multiple times but I will again for the sake that readers don't get sucked into the deserting Christ that Sabbath-keepers are trying to deceive others into doing.

Paul knew the law of Moses better than anyone and he said that "coveting" is the law. Coveting is one of the 10 commandments.

Romans 7:4-7 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God
.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death.

[SUP]6 [/SUP] But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

[SUP]7 [/SUP] What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, "YOU SHALL NOT COVET."

We will not dessert our Lord for the law of Moses and commit spiritual adultery and we will stand against this Judiazing to pervert the gospel just like Paul said he did in Gal. 2:5

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Here is what Paul said concerning those that were trying to get the Christians to "do the Law".

Galatians 2:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.

I can agree with this, I call it the eighth day of the week, one reason IMO for the Hebrew tradition of waiting eight days to present him in the temple..

If rest is rest, then what did Jesus do when he turned water into wine, healed many, raised the died, died on the cross, would this be called resting.

Grace777x70 · Apr 4, 2017

prove-all said:

Again you are not answering. Are you sure you are not a Philadelphia lawyer - your behavior is just like them.

You do realize if you fail to keep one part of the law - you have broken all of it so your excuse for not killing someone for breaking it is a vain attempt to make it seem viable. Watering down the Law of Moses to make it seem do-able is breaking the very law that you say you keep.

James 2:10 (NASB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.

Romans 10:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness.

prove-all · Apr 4, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

Isaiah 42:21 (KJV)

The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake;

he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause
shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca,
shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in
danger of hell fire.

Mark 10:19 (KJV)

Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery,

Do not kill, Do not steal, Donot bear false witness, Defraud not,

Honour thy father and mother.

James 2:11 (KJV)

For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also,
Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill,
thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Luke 12:4 (KJV)

And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body,
and after that haveno more that they can do.

Grace777x70 · Apr 4, 2017

BeyondET said:

I hear you ....as He did all those things on the Sabbath day. In truth Jesus was resting from His own works in His flesh because He said that it was the Father in Him doing His works. This is what the whole Sabbath rest day is a symbol of.

The irony of this whole thing is that those Judaizers that say we are sinning if we don't keep the law of Moses in relation to the observation of the Sabbath are in fact guilty of this scripture below. All the Law is a shadow of the real thing which is Christ Himself fulfilling all.

Hebrews 4:3-6 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For we who have believed enter that rest, just as He has said, "AS I SWORE IN MY WRATH, THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST," although His works were finished from the foundation of the world.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] For He has said somewhere concerning the seventh day: "AND GOD RESTED ON THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS";

[SUP]5 [/SUP] and again in this passage, "THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST."

[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience,

Grace777x70 · Apr 4, 2017

prove-all said:

And everyone who has ever sinned is now blotted out of God's book. For who has not sinned?

Exodus 32:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] The LORD said to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.

Quoting scripture without factoring in the finished work of Christ is one of the reasons that Judaizers pervert the gospel of the grace of God in Christ.

Repent and believe the gospel just like Jesus said in Mark 1:15. Cease from your own labors and trust in what He has done. No one here is going to fall for this Judaizing.

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