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[Magenta]

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That last statement you made there is not supported by Paul's statement. Polygamists may just be following Christ's command not to divorce, and yet be looking at mistakes made when it comes to choosing a mate, and realize they want a second chance. Look at Jacob's situation! He wasn't looking for trouble. He did the right thing though. He remained married to his first wife, even though she was not the object of his affections. Hypocrites would suggest that he should have divorced Leah. Pharisees would suggest that he not marry the woman he truly loved. God blessed Jacob and gave him twelve sons. Can you imagine the nation of Israel with only six tribes?

Sure Jacob had problems; so did Isaac and Rebekah, and they were monogamous! Adam and Eve were monogamous as well, and they had problems. There are problems in every marriage. We are fallen human beings. The problems polygamous people face are different than the problems monogamous people face. Polygamous people can have more working adults who leave their children with someone they can trust. Avoiding multiple marriage in order to avoid problems, is just exchanging one set of problems for another.

Polygamy clearly violates Biblical principles.

It is not just, do not divorce, but be faithful to the wife of your youth.

 

[TraySir]

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DanD,

Just for clarity, are you for polygamy, or against it?

Some folks are against it one day. The next day, they've got their arms around their money making wives.

 

[DanD]

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Polygamy clearly violates Biblical principles.

It is not just, do not divorce, but be faithful to the wife of your youth.

I have already pointed out that you are making unsupported assumptions about what is meant by "be faithful".

 

[DanD]

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Having more than one spouse came from man- not from God. God made Adam and Eve. Christ has one bride. The qualifications for elders includes that he must be the husband of only one wife. The Bible does not condone everything mentioned in it.

Having a wife, came from God, and He does not restrict how many a man can have, unless that man is the king of Israel, or desires to be a bishop, deacon, or elder.

Your last statement about the Bible condoning everything, is a straw man.

 

[DanD]

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There were men in the OT who had girlfriends, women they were friendly with but were not married to, this was really rather common. Samson apparently had quite a few girlfriends but he never married. It is easy to see that God put up with a lot of stuff but never condoned it. I can't see polygamy except in case of a great shortage of men and it was necessary to increase the population.

There is not one sin that goes without condemnation.

If you cannot see polygamy for yourself, perhaps you can at least refrain from being judgmental against those who practice it.

 

[DanD]

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If marrying more than one spouse does not set the example that one is following the teachings of Christ; then what example is it setting?

What are you asking, that I have not already answered?

 

[DanD]

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Dan, what would you say to guy who was passionate about golf? What if he enjoyed it so much that's all he did in his free time? At the end of his life when he is facing judgement, do you think God is going to be pleased that he spent every free minute chasing a ball around a fairway? When he wasn't on the course, he was on Amazon.com looking at clubs and putters to help his game. The Bible doesn't declare golf sinful but is that what we are here for? Are we here for pleasures all day? If you think that there is a need for more than one wife then you probably aren't giving enough attention to the one you have.

I don't like golf, precisely for that reason, so the time I could be spending on the golf course, I am able to spend with my wife.

I don't see how you derived your conclusion that I probably am not "giving enough attention to the one have." That is pure speculation on your part.

 

[Chokmahiel]

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What are you asking, that I have not already answered?

I asked; what example is set by marrying multiple spouses? You answered that the example set by marrying multiple wives is following the teachings of Christ. However, then when I asked how marrying multiple spouses follows the teachings of Christ, you said it does not. Therefore I have to ask you: If marrying more than one spouse does not set the example that one is following the teachings of Christ (as you recently have said); then what example is it setting?

 

[DanD]

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Yes,most of polygamy is exploiting,especially younger women. Ive watched the tv show about the guy with five or whatever wives. He kisses one as he goes to bed with the other. If my husband came home and said "dear Im bringing another woman into the marriage,possibly more. Now I'll sleep with you on Monday and make love to the rest of them during the week.And you're going to be cool with that" I can guarantee all 6'4 inches of him would hit the floor,flat out. Not gonna happen. I dont watch "Snapped" for nothin.

I would like to add, that I hope for your sake, that your husband does not decide to address his lust outside of your marriage. My worship pastor from my previous (mega)church abandoned his wife, for another woman. She is a very attractive woman with a beautiful singing voice, but that did not keep his feet from straying.

 

[DanD]

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I asked; what example is set by marrying multiple spouses? You answered that the example set by marrying multiple wives is following the teachings of Christ. However, then when I asked how marrying multiple spouses follows the teachings of Christ, you said it does not. Therefore I have to ask you: If marrying more than one spouse does not set the example that one is following the teachings of Christ (as you recently have said); then what example is it setting?

You are putting words in my mouth, or rather omitting words I qualified that statement with.

 

[Chokmahiel]

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You are putting words in my mouth.

Is this what you said?

It does not! How many ways do you want me to say it? The only thing that is said by marrying more than one wife, is that you are different from other people. As Christians, we are all different from the world to begin with. The only testimony that a marriage has, is the duration of that marriage, regardless of how many wives are involved.

 

[DanD]

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Is this what you said?

Yep. You are omitting words I said. It changes the meaning.

 

[Chokmahiel]

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Yep. You are omitting words I said.

Did you say "It does not!" in response to my question?

 

[DanD]

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Did you say "It does not!" in response to my question?

Yep. Yet you are still omitting words I said.

 

[Chokmahiel]

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Yep. Yet you are still omitting words I said.

Okay, so your reply is "It does not!" to the question of; how does marrying multiple spouses set the example of following the teachings of Christ? Then therefore my question is: if it does not set the example of following Christ's teachings; what example does it set?

Now if you want to change your response to "it does" because of the reasons you have listed, thinking it different from the world, then I will have another question for you, but first I must determine what your actual stance is whether marrying multiple spouses does or does not set an example in Christ. Hence my questions.

 

[DanD]

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Did you say "It does not!" in response to my question?

I might add, it is sad when you have to use dishonest tactics to argue your point of view.

 

[Chokmahiel]

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I might add, it is sad when you have to use dishonest tactics to argue your point of view.

What do you think is my point of view?

 

[DanD]

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Okay, so your reply is "It does not!" to the question of; how does marrying multiple spouses set the example of following the teachings of Christ? Then therefore my question is: if it does not set the example of following Christ's teachings; what example does it set?

Now if you want to change your response to "it does" because of the reasons you have listed, thinking it different from the world, then I will have another question for you, but first I must determine what your actual stance is whether marrying multiple spouses does or does not set an example in Christ. Hence my questions.

OK, I'm glad we got that sorted out, and no, I do not wish to change my answer. There are polygamists out there who exploit women, and their wives have no choice in the matter. Many of them are underage. There are even physically abusive practices that occur in SOME polygamous marriages. This also occurs in many monogamous marriages as well, with the exception that the wife is never asked whether her husband can have a mistress on the side, be left for another woman, or have a husband who molests children. As Christians, we should be opposed to that, and not one form of biblical marriage that we happen not to like.

 

[Magenta]

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I have already pointed out that you are making unsupported assumptions about what is meant by "be faithful".

No, I am not. Being faithful means just that. If you think being faithful to your wife means or includes having sex with other women, you are terribly deceived.

 

[Chokmahiel]

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OK, I'm glad we got that sorted out, and no, I do not wish to change my answer. There are polygamists out there who exploit women, and their wives have no choice in the matter. Many of them are underage. There are even physically abusive practices that occur in SOME polygamous marriages. This also occurs in many monogamous marriages as well, with the exception that the wife is never asked whether her husband can have a mistress on the side, be left for another woman, or have a husband who molests children. As Christians, we should be opposed to that, and not one form of biblical marriage that we happen not to like.

Okay, so if you want to retain your answer that it does not set the example of the teachings of Christ; then my question remains of; what example does it set?

Mindful I am not asking about the pitfalls or what transpires after a polygamous or monogamous wedding. I am asking what example is set by the act itself.