How to prove that the Earth is flat, and not a sphere...

[posthuman]

I subscribe to this theory over the others or at all, because it is the closest thing to explaining the observable Truth and it is compatible with scripture.

it is certainly strange for you to say such a thing, when this thread is full of demonstration that that theory contradicts literally all observational truth, and explains exactly none of it.

it is also in contradiction with scripture, which speaks of sunsets and sunrises, phenomena which has been shown ad nauseum to not exist at all within that model.

all you have is one verse, which says the Lord sits over the circumference of the earth - and that, twisted into the freemason zetetic geometry without regard either to observation or to reason.
the meaning is that He reigns, over all things. not that the planet is a frisbee.


but overwhelming evidence has never been enough for men to embrace the truth. if it were, Christ would not have been rejected. men love darkness rather than light, and exchange the truth for lies - it is their nature, poisoned by sin -- the very thing for which the salvation of God is necessary, here exemplified by willful ignorance of reality.

 

[posthuman]

The pale blue marbel in the universe of darkness and nothingness, the physical sun is glorified as well as the stars just as the mystery school cults believed

He stretcheth out the north over the empty place,
and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
(Job 26:7)
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but you would have the earth glorified?
dust, and man, the center and focus of the entire universe - an universe which is not great, not vast, but illusory, a cage for a pet, painted to look like a real environment. you are proffering an universe in which there is no reason, no law, and in which confusion and contradiction reign. a world in which the scripture makes no sense:

When I consider your heavens,the work of your fingers,
the moon and the stars,
which you have set in place,
what is mankind that you are mindful of them,
human beings that you care for them?
(Psalm 8:3-4)
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in the freemason cosmology you are embracing, this scripture is sarcastic - not humble.
because in that fake, toy universe, obviously man is everything: the stars are bowed to him, and those stars and that moon aren't even real in that paradigm; they are merely props, false fronts in a stage set designed to fool people into thinking they live in an actual universe.
but when David saw them, he was moved to humility, understanding that in the scope of the cosmos, physically, man is utterly inconsequential.

the sun? it is a sign, that the whole earth is subject to the light, and that the light rules not only this planet but all, appointing times and seasons. for He is our light.

 

[posthuman]

i saw a meteorite last night.

what was that, a bit of the dome falling apart?

or do flatworlders deny that those exist?

 

[posthuman]

I personally have subscribed to this model of the moon:
Video will begin at live model demonstration of it-

[video]https://youtu.be/dLvcjgOGs9s?t=4m18s[/video]

It's not a disc, but a concave bowl shape that produces it's own light AND reflects the sun's to produce the phases. It essentially casts and displays it's own shadow as a source of time for us.

a clip from the video:



i want you to notice two things:

one, a light hitting a concave bowl at an angle doesn't only illuminate the interior of the bowl, it illuminates the lip:



but when you look int he sky, you do not see a moon with a "double crescent"
therefore this explanation is false.

two, notice where the light source is relative to the geometry of the crescent we see. pay attention to the orientation:



again this is directly contrary to reality:



third, imagine you are in the north, and you see a crescent moon, and the moon is a cup. what does someone in the south see? on the other side of the equator from you? what does someone directly below the moon in your model see?
draw yourself a picture. sketch out the geometry.

the reality is that people all over the earth see exactly the same phase of the moon at exactly the same time, at all times.

you will see, if you will put the effort into actually exploring the model you preach, that it completely contradicts this.
when you see a full moon, your model predicts others see no moon at all.

do it. don't just shrug it off and browse youtube. build yourself a model if you have a hard time thinking in 3d like this. look at your model from various angles. does it match reality?

no, it doesn't.

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so look, dude.
this moon-is-a-tiny-bowl-circling-a-flat-earth business is clearly a lie. it just doesn't work.
here's the truth.

now where's your character?
what will you do?
ignore the truth, and cling to a lie?

or allow yourself to be changed?

that's the nature of redemption: to see the truth, and accept it, allowing yourself to be changed.

 

[posthuman]

Here is my honest beliefs:

thanks for doing this.

you're completely wrong, of course, deceived, not thinking things through -- but thank you, sincerely.

 

[posthuman]

i go through all this trouble because i want you to be grounded and built up in real knowledge and understanding -- not conspiratorial nonsense and deceit, not misunderstanding and misapplication.

it's love for the body of Christ, and abhorrence of lies, that moves me to expend so much energy destroying the falsehood in this thread.

 

[pckts]

i go through all this trouble because i want you to be grounded and built up in real knowledge and understanding -- not conspiratorial nonsense and deceit, not misunderstanding and misapplication.

it's love for the body of Christ, and abhorrence of lies, that moves me to expend so much energy destroying the falsehood in this thread.

The Globe is the falsehood. I go through all my trouble so you will expend your energy at the proper target. If any more videos with apparent CGI arise I will post them.

 

[pckts]

in the freemason cosmology you are embracing , this scripture is sarcastic - not humble.
because in that fake, toy universe, obviously man is everything: the stars are bowed to him, and those stars and that moon aren't even real in that paradigm; they are merely props, false fronts in a stage set designed to fool people into thinking they live in an actual universe.
but when David saw them, he was moved to humility, understanding that in the scope of the cosmos, physically, man is utterly inconsequential.

the sun? it is a sign, that the whole earth is subject to the light, and that the light rules not only this planet but all, appointing times and seasons. for He is our light.

I disagree with all of your recent posts, but this one the most.

How can you say I am embracing freemason cosmology when the freemasons openly create/promote the globe?

 

[Sully]

The shape of the world is CHAOS, if you don't see that your wrong by default.

 

[pckts]

The shape of the world is CHAOS, if you don't see that your wrong by default.

That is a "state".

 

[vernonray]

In the book of JOB it talks about the spere of the heavens and the earth, the earth is a sphere and according to JOB so is the heavens or universe. i have been on an international flight from north american to the southern most part of south america. i saw the curvature of the earth. the feeling.... yea the earth os a sphere and people get lied to so much these days that they start looking for and thinking things are not as they are told. they start to question everything.... but the whole flat earth thing is a psi ops program to discredit people that seek the truth....

 

[pckts]

In the book of JOB it talks about the spere of the heavens and the earth, the earth is a sphere and according to JOB so is the heavens or universe. i have been on an international flight from north american to the southern most part of south america. i saw the curvature of the earth. the feeling.... yea the earth os a sphere and people get lied to so much these days that they start looking for and thinking things are not as they are told. they start to question everything.... but the whole flat earth thing is a psi ops program to discredit people that seek the truth....

The Scripture of Job support Flat Earth. There is no mention of "spheres":

Scriptures concerning the nature of the heavens/sky above and their relationship to the earth:

Job 9:8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.
Job 22:14 (HCSB) Clouds veil Him so that He cannot see, as He walks on the circle of the sky.
Job 37:18 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass?
Genesis 1:


Scriptures concerning the nature of the earth below the firmament:
Job 9:6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.
Job 26:7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
Job 26:10 He hath compassed the waters with bounds, until the day and night come to an end.
Job 28:24 For he looketh to the ends of the earth, and seeth under the whole heaven;
Job 37:3 He directeth it under the whole heaven, and his lightning unto the ends of the earth.
Job 38:

It mentions "circles" and the heavens/firmament is described as a dome or canopy.


The Psi-op is NASA and the Globe, Eric Dubey is controlled opposition. The Psi-op is making you believe the flat earth is a Psi-op.

 

[vernonray]

In the book of JOB it talks about the sphere of the heavens and the earth, the earth is a sphere and according to JOB so is the heavens or universe. i have been on an international flight from north american to the southern most part of south america. i saw the curvature of the earth. the feeling.... yea the earth is a sphere. People get lied to so much these days that they start looking for and thinking things are not as they are told. they start to question everything.... but the whole flat earth thing is a psi ops program to discredit people that seek the truth....

 

[MattTooFor]

The Psi-op is NASA and the Globe, Eric Dubey is controlled opposition. The Psi-op is making you believe the flat earth is a Psi-op.

If you could just double-talk me one more time through your answer...about how we see an 'upside down' moon in Perth, Australia...and 'right side up' in Seattle...and yet we're not on a globe? I enjoyed that quite a bit.

I think I'm quoting you correctly from your post #876:

"If you are standing on, in, or under the USA but not in proximity to New Zealand or New Guinea, depending on which side of the room you are on...you will see an inverted or flipped (or even flip-flopped) optical refraction, not unlike the perspective you would have on flat ground. This, in turn, causes the phases of the moon to be accounted for by other orbiting object or objects or the Latin plural, objecti objectus."

"And so therefore, to completely leave the actual question of the Perth/Seattle moon comparison...let us now discuss the unrelated topic of blood moons. Therefore and thereby and forthwith, the age-old question rears its ugly head once again: What's the difference between a chicken?"

You want to take another crack at your answer? I didn't get much out of that first one.

 

[pckts]

If you could just double-talk me one more time through your answer...about how we see an 'upside down' moon in Perth, Australia...and 'right side up' in Seattle...and yet we're not on a globe? I enjoyed that quite a bit.

I think I'm quoting you correctly from your post #876:

"If you are standing on, in, or under the USA but not in proximity to New Zealand or New Guinea, depending on which side of the room you are on...you will see an inverted or flipped (or even flip-flopped) optical refraction, not unlike the perspective you would have on flat ground. This, in turn, causes the phases of the moon to be accounted for by other orbiting object or objects or the Latin plural, objecti objectus."

"And so therefore, to completely leave the actual question of the Perth/Seattle moon comparison...let us now discuss the unrelated topic of blood moons. Therefore and thereby and forthwith, the age-old question rears its ugly head once again: What's the difference between a chicken?"

You want to take another crack at your answer? I didn't get much out of that first one.

I've already told you I do not know the exact shape of the moon or it's and the sun's course over the earth. Any explanation I give will be general, and you want particular. There isn't an accurate flat earth map either, so with those tools It would still be difficult to measure where USA is in relation to New Zealand as per the moon's traveling. I do not have the tools to give you the specific explanation you want.

I would find all this hard to believe too if I didn't think NASA was CGI and special effects. When you take the globe earth out of the equation, option #2 is the flat earth which many cultures prior to the reformation period in Europe believed in. The scripture fits flat earth better too. I wouldn't believe in such a general theory if it wasn't for me not having any other option.

 

[pckts]

Are you the kind of person that thinks it's odd there are no pictures of the earth from space or videos of it rotating, or are you the kind of person that believes these things are not technologically feasible or it's not worth the budget? Someone told me on here "Why should they take those pictures, just to prove it's real for conspiracy theorists like you". If you can't see the deeper issue of weird instances involving the globe earth, you will never see through the lie.

 

[MattTooFor]

seriously Ji, even though you were ((willingly or unwittingly)) ignorant of all these, all you have to do is look at either the moon or the the sun rising and setting.

that's impossible in the paradigm you're espousing.

"perspective" never makes this appear to happen:

"flat earth" simply has no explanation for what you can see each and every morning and each and every night with your own eyes.

Slam dunk. No such thing as "flat earth".

 

[MattTooFor]

let's do math.

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Another of Posthuman's posts that deserves re-posting. Irrefutable evidence of the pure silliness of flat earth claims.

 

[MattTooFor]

"Globe Earthers -- please explain how the Earth instantly / suddenly "put the brakes on" - and, "came to a complete halt" - without destroying anything or killing anyone -- and then - [ about ] a day later - instantly / suddenly resumed to 1000+ MPH spinning - without destroying anything or killing anyone..."

( And don't come back with any CRAP about this being "figurative" or some such thing. This actually happened as the Bible tells it. )

"Do you believe what the Bible says?"

If the Bible says that "the sun stopped in the middle of the sky", then that means one of two things:

1) the sun stopped in the middle of the sky

2) the earth "put the brakes on" and "came to a complete halt" instantly / suddenly - and subsequently resumed instantly / suddenly

Which is more likely to have occurred?

Oh my goodness. LOL. Gary, Gary, Gary.

If you can explain the actual mechanics...the actual 'how-to' of God's miracle in being able to stop the earth...then I'll explain all the questions about the gravitational issues involved in this miracle. Deal?

Bro...it was a MIRACLE...from top to bottom. God was able to stop the earth revolving AND prevent anyone from experiencing any adverse effects...because it was (wait for it)...a miracle.

 

[posthuman]

Are you the kind of person that thinks it's odd there are no pictures of the earth from space or videos of it rotating

dude.

that simply isn't true.

[video=youtube;t6YfEkLR_Ho]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6YfEkLR_Ho[/video]

the satellite from which the video is made takes HD pics of the entire eastern hemisphere every 10 minutes. i've linked to it several times in this thread.