Hebrews 4:12-13 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
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You sound not to be a Filipino... anyway...No problemas with that verse you cited and I think you're arrogant enough when it comes to Bible doctrine. Ummm... pray ko na lang you come up with a good understanding of his words...DC will do the lecturing to you...
First, to whom our Lord Jesus is saying this? It seems to be you... You cannot come up with a good reasoning and understanding. That's irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Second, the Bible says "Study to show thyself approved unto God..." and you are not doing that. You just throw verses and therefore you are not approved unto God.
Third, The bible is plain even in the Old testament of the necessity of giving sense of the scriptures and you are not doing that.
Nehemiah 8:8 So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.
Think of these things my friend
Second, the Bible says "Study to show thyself approved unto God..." and you are not doing that. You just throw verses and therefore you are not approved unto God.
Third, The bible is plain even in the Old testament of the necessity of giving sense of the scriptures and you are not doing that.
Nehemiah 8:8 So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.
Think of these things my friend
There you again. It seems it's you who is infancy in scriptures quoting out of line. Nothing is behind your mask. probably you're not saved. You're not truly born again. But I guessed this is too personal and it hurts. Truth hurts as the saying goes.
Forgive me but if you want discussion, then discussed out of the scriptures. Is that a problem with you?
Thanks
Forgive me but if you want discussion, then discussed out of the scriptures. Is that a problem with you?
Thanks
“Let God be true and every man a LIAR” Who are the liars? They are those who reject the truth of the Word, who denies the work of the Holy Spirit working in and thru the body of Christ whom HE WILL SAVE, who TRUST IN themselves and their OWN WORKS(rebelling against the Spirit) and their OWN WORDS rather than God’s.
1 John 2:22 Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.
1 John 2:4-6 The man who says, “I know him,” but DOES NOT DO WHAT HE COMMANDS is a LIAR, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone OBEYS HIS WORD, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: WHOEVER CLAIMS TO LIVE IN HIM MUST WALK AS JESUS DID..
1 John 4:20 If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.
Revelation 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
1 Corinthians 12:6-7,11 There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men. Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. ALL THESE ARE THE WORK OF ONE AND THE SAME SPIRIT, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.
1 John 2:22 Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.
1 John 2:4-6 The man who says, “I know him,” but DOES NOT DO WHAT HE COMMANDS is a LIAR, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone OBEYS HIS WORD, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: WHOEVER CLAIMS TO LIVE IN HIM MUST WALK AS JESUS DID..
1 John 4:20 If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen.
Revelation 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
1 Corinthians 12:6-7,11 There are different kinds of working, but the same God works all of them in all men. Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. ALL THESE ARE THE WORK OF ONE AND THE SAME SPIRIT, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines.
1 Thessalonians 5:14-22 but we urge you, brothers, to confront those who are lazy, your aim being to help them change, to encourage the timid, to assist the weak, and to be patient with everyone. See that no one repays evil for evil; on the contrary, always try to do good to each other, indeed, to everyone. Always be joyful. Pray regularly. In everything give thanks, for this is what God wants from you who are united with the Messiah Yeshua. DON’T QUENCH THE SPIRIT, DON’T DESPISE INSPIRED MESSAGES. But do test everything — hold onto what is good, but keep away from every form of evil.
OUR LORD JESUS LEARNED OBEDIENCE FROM WHAT HE SUFFERED.(heb 5:8)
OBEDIENCE LEADS TO RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH LEADS TO HOLINESS & THE RESULT IS ETERNAL LIFE (rom 6:16,19,22)
1 Peter 2:21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should FOLLOW IN HIS STEPS.
OUR LORD JESUS LEARNED OBEDIENCE FROM WHAT HE SUFFERED.(heb 5:8)
OBEDIENCE LEADS TO RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH LEADS TO HOLINESS & THE RESULT IS ETERNAL LIFE (rom 6:16,19,22)
1 Peter 2:21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should FOLLOW IN HIS STEPS.
let me dissect the verses you cited:
1 Peter 2:21 has nothing to do one's salvation. The 'following of the steps of Christ' was for the believers. These were the elect of God through the sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ who are scattered in Pontus, Galatia, Cappodocia, Asia and Bithynia. 1 Peter 1:1-2.
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Romans 6:16. 19. 22 but where are other verses? Your Skip and hop presentation does not not matter to me. Apparently Paul is talking to saved, "being then made free" in v.18.
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Hebrews 5:8 is real good but your dead wrong speaks of the humility of Christ though he was a Son, superior than anyone else (Heb 1:8), He stoop down and learned obedience by the things which he suffered. But praise God! Amen and Hallelujah! Because "...being made perfect he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey" Who are those who obey, of course those who have eternal salvation.
Sorry man, what the word of God really says is "prophesyings" not really inspired messages. Paul doesn't talk about inspired messages but rather inspired words.
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1 Thes. 5:21 Paul says prove all things;
Now your out.
1 Peter 2:21 has nothing to do one's salvation. The 'following of the steps of Christ' was for the believers. These were the elect of God through the sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ who are scattered in Pontus, Galatia, Cappodocia, Asia and Bithynia. 1 Peter 1:1-2.
Strike 1
Romans 6:16. 19. 22 but where are other verses? Your Skip and hop presentation does not not matter to me. Apparently Paul is talking to saved, "being then made free" in v.18.
Strike 2
Hebrews 5:8 is real good but your dead wrong speaks of the humility of Christ though he was a Son, superior than anyone else (Heb 1:8), He stoop down and learned obedience by the things which he suffered. But praise God! Amen and Hallelujah! Because "...being made perfect he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey" Who are those who obey, of course those who have eternal salvation.
Sorry man, what the word of God really says is "prophesyings" not really inspired messages. Paul doesn't talk about inspired messages but rather inspired words.
Strike 3
1 Thes. 5:21 Paul says prove all things;
Now your out.
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Amen ! But I had a punch in my stomach (Spiritually) when I heard (C), and parts of (B). I see you have a great view on Salvation, and I am with you on that. But I am not with you on the issue of Sin, and our ability to be steadfast thru all circumstances to remain pure thru Christ Jesus. In Romans 6:6 I see a verse that tells me I can conquer my sins as Christ lives to empower me to DO so. Jesus' role will never be to bandage our weaknesses but to make us more than conquerors.
We know this: Whatever we used to be with our old sinful ways has been nailed to the Cross. So our entire record of sin has been canceled, and we no longer have to bow down to sin's power. Romans 6:6. This is Salvation, what I referred to as innocence made opportunistic! And, as long as we remain in Him, and His Words remain in us...that "sinful ways" category is His fight now. I got punched in my Spiritual stomach with answer (C). because to not be seen doing good works it is evidence of not being His for He wants us to be apart of His purposes and intentions over our own, keeping in mind, He is the Way, the Truth, and the life whom only gives use His best. Even, commanding us to venture on beyond our "good enough's."
So, it is then : Co-crucifiction. Have you made the following decision about sin - that it must be completely killed in you? Hey, it takes a long time to come to the point of making this complete and effective decision about sin. It is, however, the greatest moment in your life once you decide that sin must die in you - not simply be restrained, or suppressed, or counteracted, but crucified - just as Jesus Christ died for the sin of the world. No one can bring anyone else to this decision, and until we experience the New Life, we will not be able to make this decision. Dc, my prayers are with you and all in this room whom want to find the full measure of God's grace, in order that His full measure of glory can be seen.
Pull yourself up, take some time alone with God, and make this important decision, saying, “Lord, identify me with Your death until I know that sin is dead in me.” Make the moral decision that sin in you must be put to death.
This was not some divine future expectation on the part of Paul, but was a very radical and definite experience in his life. Are you prepared to let the Spirit of God search you until you know what the level and nature of sin is in your life— to see the very things that struggle against God’s Spirit in you? If so, will you then agree with God’s verdict on the nature of sin— that it should be identified with the death of Jesus? You cannot “reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin” (Romans 6:11) unless you have radically dealt with the issue of your will before God.
Have you entered into the glorious privilege of being crucified with Christ, until all that remains in your flesh and blood is His life? “I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me…” (Galatians 2:20).
We know this: Whatever we used to be with our old sinful ways has been nailed to the Cross. So our entire record of sin has been canceled, and we no longer have to bow down to sin's power. Romans 6:6. This is Salvation, what I referred to as innocence made opportunistic! And, as long as we remain in Him, and His Words remain in us...that "sinful ways" category is His fight now. I got punched in my Spiritual stomach with answer (C). because to not be seen doing good works it is evidence of not being His for He wants us to be apart of His purposes and intentions over our own, keeping in mind, He is the Way, the Truth, and the life whom only gives use His best. Even, commanding us to venture on beyond our "good enough's."
So, it is then : Co-crucifiction. Have you made the following decision about sin - that it must be completely killed in you? Hey, it takes a long time to come to the point of making this complete and effective decision about sin. It is, however, the greatest moment in your life once you decide that sin must die in you - not simply be restrained, or suppressed, or counteracted, but crucified - just as Jesus Christ died for the sin of the world. No one can bring anyone else to this decision, and until we experience the New Life, we will not be able to make this decision. Dc, my prayers are with you and all in this room whom want to find the full measure of God's grace, in order that His full measure of glory can be seen.
Pull yourself up, take some time alone with God, and make this important decision, saying, “Lord, identify me with Your death until I know that sin is dead in me.” Make the moral decision that sin in you must be put to death.
This was not some divine future expectation on the part of Paul, but was a very radical and definite experience in his life. Are you prepared to let the Spirit of God search you until you know what the level and nature of sin is in your life— to see the very things that struggle against God’s Spirit in you? If so, will you then agree with God’s verdict on the nature of sin— that it should be identified with the death of Jesus? You cannot “reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin” (Romans 6:11) unless you have radically dealt with the issue of your will before God.
Have you entered into the glorious privilege of being crucified with Christ, until all that remains in your flesh and blood is His life? “I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me…” (Galatians 2:20).
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Have you ever noticed when Jesus spoke he answered people's questions with what seemed inappropriate, or not on topic? Check it out, He did it all the time. Have you ever wondered why He just didn't simply answer their questions on the Questionnaire's path of thinking? It's because Jesus was investing in their eternity, not their temporal happiness. God spoke then, and still does today, directly to our hearts, for He knew we think from our hearts and not, first, from our brains. He also knew the things we needed to hear we could not grasp fully yet, so He tried to show us with the Spirit's movement revealing His New Revelations.
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What concerns me is people who believe the same theology, have ended up
attacking others with the same beliefs over an emphasis.
And this emphasis causes one group to spiritually disown the other group.
A spirit of judgmentalism, condemnation and division has been introduced.
And the justification is the issue of what is righteousness and how do we
walk righteously?
This is not about theology but about communion with the Lord and our
practice in our hearts. How you share and encourage your brothers and sisters
speaks louder than you supposed maturity in Christ.
attacking others with the same beliefs over an emphasis.
And this emphasis causes one group to spiritually disown the other group.
A spirit of judgmentalism, condemnation and division has been introduced.
And the justification is the issue of what is righteousness and how do we
walk righteously?
This is not about theology but about communion with the Lord and our
practice in our hearts. How you share and encourage your brothers and sisters
speaks louder than you supposed maturity in Christ.
Hi Slave,
Been thinking of of what Paul says of orderly fashion to avoid confusion. There is a thread for a verse by verse for that. Jesus indeed answered people questions and we ought to. I am not against citing verses but it would not be best if one does explaining? What my expectation since I am still on my infancy as SEOHCE found on me then he has to explain for maybe he understood better than I?
There are times, however, our Lord Jesus and Paul speaks in a harder way especially those whose teaching are not biblically sound. King Solomon once said, there is a time for everything...
God bless
Been thinking of of what Paul says of orderly fashion to avoid confusion. There is a thread for a verse by verse for that. Jesus indeed answered people questions and we ought to. I am not against citing verses but it would not be best if one does explaining? What my expectation since I am still on my infancy as SEOHCE found on me then he has to explain for maybe he understood better than I?
There are times, however, our Lord Jesus and Paul speaks in a harder way especially those whose teaching are not biblically sound. King Solomon once said, there is a time for everything...
God bless
Jesus did not have new revelations He was confirming the old.
The reason He answered questions with questions is because that is how the Jewish rabbis taught their students. If they asked you who the son of Abraham was, you would have to answer them with a question that basically showed you know and understand the answer.
Your answer could have been: Do you know the father of Esau and Jacob's name means "he laughs". That would have been an indication that you knew the answer.
With the Jews it is always a knowledge thing....
He was confirming the old.The reason He answered questions with questions is because that is how the Jewish rabbis taught their students. If they asked you who the son of Abraham was, you would have to answer them with a question that basically showed you know and understand the answer.
Your answer could have been: Do you know the father of Esau and Jacob's name means "he laughs". That would have been an indication that you knew the answer
. With the Jews it is always a knowledge thing....
Ok, can I ask you then - what do you find unbiblical about what I have said? And let me ask you to be 'specific' and not 'speculative'. And let me also ask you - what in relationship to Correction, and Rebuke (which the Bible has under toe), do you feel entitled to become "harder" in your personality(for God's sake?). Ecclesiastes mentions what as his conclusion? Not to from time to time be harder for God's sake, but to "Fear God, and obey His commandments." Right? So, your harder allowance is not hardness at all, it is to only be loyal to His Word without hardness!
Think about it....are we using the wise man here to appropriate our own mis-behaviors? We need not fight Satan toward militant style gain, the war has already been won! Not by us, but by God, thru Jesus Christ. And , based on that fact, now we are asked by Him to stand (behaviorally) on things already accomplished in Christ in the wake of what still remains on earth - Spiritual Warfare. But this, again, is a matter of claiming victory, not fighting for it, as we remain in Christ Jesus, and His Words remain in me. While we say, "Not my will, but thine be done."
Gentleness and respect will never lose there power in Christ.
Think about it....are we using the wise man here to appropriate our own mis-behaviors? We need not fight Satan toward militant style gain, the war has already been won! Not by us, but by God, thru Jesus Christ. And , based on that fact, now we are asked by Him to stand (behaviorally) on things already accomplished in Christ in the wake of what still remains on earth - Spiritual Warfare. But this, again, is a matter of claiming victory, not fighting for it, as we remain in Christ Jesus, and His Words remain in me. While we say, "Not my will, but thine be done."
Gentleness and respect will never lose there power in Christ.
I wouldn't call our acts of faith pride; I would call it obedience. And it is never I who glories in Christ's work, until God shares His with me in heaven, but I internationalize my efforts behaviorally to give God His due glory. If we obey Him we are not boasting in ourselves, we are boasting in God! And only God, for to obey Him shows we love Him over ourselves. And yes, to not believe allows our volitional will, empowered by God, to claim which of the two we serve, Satan, or God; even by default. But one thing Scripture backs you up on...God is faithful to us, even when we serve Him not, for that is His Nature. But we still need to listen to Him. We must act as if what He gave us in grace, becomes real, and see His way as purposeful moving on to our own behavior in like-mindedness.
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The way you word it - is choppy from the way I see it said in Scripture, so let me explain it as to let the Scripture say it in it's entirety:
[h=1]Romans 6:16-23New International Version (NIV)[/h]16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to Godthat, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. 20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[a] Christ Jesus our Lord.
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[h=1]Romans 6:16-23New International Version (NIV)[/h]16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to Godthat, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
19 I am using an example from everyday life because of your human limitations. Just as you used to offer yourselves as slaves to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer yourselves as slaves to righteousness leading to holiness. 20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[a] Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Jesus did not have new revelations He was confirming the old.
The reason He answered questions with questions is because that is how the Jewish rabbis taught their students. If they asked you who the son of Abraham was, you would have to answer them with a question that basically showed you know and understand the answer.
Your answer could have been: Do you know the father of Esau and Jacob's name means "he laughs". That would have been an indication that you knew the answer.
With the Jews it is always a knowledge thing....
He was confirming the old.The reason He answered questions with questions is because that is how the Jewish rabbis taught their students. If they asked you who the son of Abraham was, you would have to answer them with a question that basically showed you know and understand the answer.
Your answer could have been: Do you know the father of Esau and Jacob's name means "he laughs". That would have been an indication that you knew the answer
. With the Jews it is always a knowledge thing....
John 3:3-8New International Version (NIV)
3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.[a]”
4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit.7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”[d]
This was not a paraphrase was it? But, you are right about paraphrasing; paraphrasing allows the speaker to know there is a connection to the listener, and Jesus did ask questions to guide them from a place to a place in their thinking and convictions. But here we see another side of life which, is new to us: that God's wisdom is not our own. Jesus was God, and unique compared to us in terms of revelations.He didn't have newness of God, but He , as a real human child to adulthood, did experience wisdom and thereby have it be His gain. But the revelations are given to us, as a growing Son or daughter of Christ Jesus from a nature of sin to a nature of godliness thru righteousness resulting in the same wisdom as Jesus received from His Father who is now, also, our Father.
You say it was always a knowledge thing. But what can we know of God prior to Him sharing it with us, thru a loving relationship of us being humble and pliable? This takes new revelations of God in us. As Jesus grew from age 12 - 30, in this earthen body, we see that He grew in wisdom, and we too will grow from our old sinful ways to a new way; God's way thru revelations as we experience our new life, and wisdom as we obey His new way in life.
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It is not an emphasis, it is a fundamental. The one claims that it is God alone Who saves. The other that God needs our help to actually save us.,
well you should try to avoid it,
No the subject is how we become and remain righteous before God. You are not even aware of the issue.
It is very much about theology. We are on a discussion forum not a mutual encouragement frorum
well you should try to avoid it,
No the subject is how we become and remain righteous before God. You are not even aware of the issue.
It is very much about theology. We are on a discussion forum not a mutual encouragement frorum
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