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Imagine someone on the outside. One group are saying this group of evil people over there
are intent on the worst evil in the world. So they then look at this other group and find they
believe the same stuff as the first group.
Animosity destroys groups, in poisons the water, creates rumours and disrepute.
If people are shown to be nothing but frauds, then the message is lost, because when hard
times come, the reality is what shows through.
So with great sadness, I humbly ask you to wonder why a believer who believes Christ and
His words is evil in your sight. This only happens if you are no longer following Jesus.
Imagine someone on the outside. One group are saying this group of evil people over there
are intent on the worst evil in the world. So they then look at this other group and find they
believe the same stuff as the first group.
Animosity destroys groups, in poisons the water, creates rumours and disrepute.
If people are shown to be nothing but frauds, then the message is lost, because when hard
times come, the reality is what shows through.
So with great sadness, I humbly ask you to wonder why a believer who believes Christ and
His words is evil in your sight. This only happens if you are no longer following Jesus.
If you knew zone, I am at war with no one, because I have found in Jesus,
the victory we all need and the saviour of all.
I am not disowning or condemning believers, disowning fellowships and talking
with great bitterness about evil "believers" leading people to hell.
I call all to know love through the cross, and to know if we repent, confess our
sins He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and bring us to eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord.
So God bless you and all your ways, Amen
the victory we all need and the saviour of all.
I am not disowning or condemning believers, disowning fellowships and talking
with great bitterness about evil "believers" leading people to hell.
I call all to know love through the cross, and to know if we repent, confess our
sins He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and bring us to eternal life
through Jesus Christ our Lord.
So God bless you and all your ways, Amen
What I have learnt is we will all go to our deaths holding the principles and beliefs
we hold at our strength.
The pharisees when surrounded by Rome still thought they would be saved.
It is always the way, that those that find reality in Christ and in their hearts are the
only ones who truly see God and life, while the rest are still totally convinced with
whatever compromise they have come up with.
So I wish you God bless, and suggest you learn, everything is in the Lords hands
and He calls the elect, and no one can stand in His way.
So whatever you go God will use it, Halleluyah, even the Lords enemies.
we hold at our strength.
The pharisees when surrounded by Rome still thought they would be saved.
It is always the way, that those that find reality in Christ and in their hearts are the
only ones who truly see God and life, while the rest are still totally convinced with
whatever compromise they have come up with.
So I wish you God bless, and suggest you learn, everything is in the Lords hands
and He calls the elect, and no one can stand in His way.
So whatever you go God will use it, Halleluyah, even the Lords enemies.
Mar 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
Notice that this was not an on going good works kind of thing that most of you claim proves you have or are of the faith. It was a single act. Just like the time you confessed Jesus as your lord and savior. It was a single act of faith, if it was faith of the heart, and at that moment, you were born again.
Faith is specific, not a general thing. There is a faith for salvation, and there is another faith for healing, and another for God to lead you to the right job, and so on. Giving to the poor, going to church, preaching God's word, and the like, proves very little. Those are not works of faith, nor do you prove or show your faith by doing such. Anybody can do that in the natural. What nobody can do in the natural is to save spiritually, or heal physically without meds or treatments, or cast out a spirit, and so on. Those things require the hand of God to intervene on your behalf. That is what God's faith does. He doesn't need to prove Himself strong when you have the money to give to the poor.
As for the sick of the palsy, his sins were forgiven because of his and his friend's faith. Their faith was seen by their actions. They believed Jesus would heal the man if they could get him to Jesus. Without the corresponding action to their faith, their faith would be as good as dead, and the guy would have remained sick.
So to answer your question, the above verse shows that a work of faith can indeed cause one's sins to be forgiven.
Okay, this maybe an off topic and thank you for your response...
Nehemiah 8:8 So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
1 Thes. 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Nehemiah 8:8 So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,
1 Thes. 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
12 Now we ask you, brothers and sisters, to acknowledge those who work hard among you, who care for you in the Lord and who admonish you. 13 Hold them in the highest regard in love because of their work. Live in peace with each other.14 And we urge you, brothers and sisters, warn those who are idle and disruptive, encourage the disheartened, help the weak, be patient with everyone. 15 Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong, but always strive to do what is good for each other and for everyone else.
16 Rejoice always, 17 pray continually, 18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.
19Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not treat prophecies with contempt 21 but test them all; hold on to what is good, 22 reject every kind of evil.
23 May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thessalonians 5:12-23.
And:
They read from the Book of the law of God making it clear (Or God, translating it), and giving meaning so that the people understood what was being read. Nehemiah 8:8
and: (In the Synagogue):
He reasoned with them, from the Scriptures, explaining and proving that the Christ has to suffer and rise from the dead. Acts 17:2
Ok, so we know we are co-worker's with Christ right? With Christ being the one to commission us to any task of Biblical explanation. So, what's your question? To say: "prove all things" is meaningless without a question God would have be reason to answer. In addition, it is Christ who will give wisdom to those who He wills to give it to. So, our right alignment with God is something to consider as well.
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Every time I pray that is an act of faith. Every time I trust Jesus, that is an act of faith.
So I am continual walking in acts of faith.
The summary of all these acts of faith, is just I have faith in Christ. You could say the
faith is on going trust, belief that the door is open and that He hears.
So I am continual walking in acts of faith.
The summary of all these acts of faith, is just I have faith in Christ. You could say the
faith is on going trust, belief that the door is open and that He hears.
"Faith" is "Pistis" in the Greek. It is inclusive of assurance, trust and fidelity to God.
pistis
From G3982; persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.
This is why faith is inclusive of obedience, faith is faithful, just like in a marriage.
Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
The word "believe" in the Greek is "pisteuō."
pisteuō
From G4102; to have faith (in, upon, orwith respect to, a person or thing), that is, credit; by implicationto entrust (especially one’s spiritual well being to Christ): -believe (-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.
Both "faith" and "believe" have the same root...
Peithō - G3982 (Strong's)
A primary verb; to convince (byargument, true or false); by analogy to pacify or conciliate (byother fair means); reflexively or passively to assent (to evidence orauthority), to rely (by inward certainty): - agree, assure, believe,have confidence, be (wax) content, make friend, obey, persuade,trust, yield.
This is why when we look at the faith of Abraham we see...
Obedience of Faith
Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Deeds of Faith
Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Confidence of Faith
Rom 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
Rom 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
This is why Paul would associate the "steps of faith" (Rom 4:12) with the "faith that God counts for righteousness" (Rom 4:5).
Faith is the active principle whereby one is a DOER of the will of God the result being "deeds done in God."
Under the lie faith is redefined to be a passive principle of trust only. Thus people are seduced in "trusting in Jesus" and the substitution they think He made on their behalf. Thus "doing" is disconnected from salvation itself. People are deceived into believing that salvation is a "package" which they receive simply by "believing it" and that it has nothing to do with what they actually do. It is in this way that Satan deceives millions into believing that they can engage in wickedness and not surely lose die and lose their souls, they think they have a cover for ongoing wickedness.
Think about it.
pistis
From G3982; persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.
This is why faith is inclusive of obedience, faith is faithful, just like in a marriage.
Rom 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
The word "believe" in the Greek is "pisteuō."
pisteuō
From G4102; to have faith (in, upon, orwith respect to, a person or thing), that is, credit; by implicationto entrust (especially one’s spiritual well being to Christ): -believe (-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.
Both "faith" and "believe" have the same root...
Peithō - G3982 (Strong's)
A primary verb; to convince (byargument, true or false); by analogy to pacify or conciliate (byother fair means); reflexively or passively to assent (to evidence orauthority), to rely (by inward certainty): - agree, assure, believe,have confidence, be (wax) content, make friend, obey, persuade,trust, yield.
This is why when we look at the faith of Abraham we see...
Obedience of Faith
Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
Deeds of Faith
Joh 8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
Confidence of Faith
Rom 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
Rom 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
This is why Paul would associate the "steps of faith" (Rom 4:12) with the "faith that God counts for righteousness" (Rom 4:5).
Faith is the active principle whereby one is a DOER of the will of God the result being "deeds done in God."
Under the lie faith is redefined to be a passive principle of trust only. Thus people are seduced in "trusting in Jesus" and the substitution they think He made on their behalf. Thus "doing" is disconnected from salvation itself. People are deceived into believing that salvation is a "package" which they receive simply by "believing it" and that it has nothing to do with what they actually do. It is in this way that Satan deceives millions into believing that they can engage in wickedness and not surely lose die and lose their souls, they think they have a cover for ongoing wickedness.
Think about it.
It is like an insurance policy for many. Yet we are talking being brought back
from the dead, what is a temporary state of life, to face judgement.
In this alone is a staggering reality. We do not know how to kick start life
of the simplest organisms, yet God will raise us up.
Everything we are, our merest whims, thoughts and actions, such details,
such effort to give us the privilege of maybe being with Him.
Yet people cannot be bothered to do more than the minimum, to go beyond
the social and ask, is there something deeper? That is how lost most are.
from the dead, what is a temporary state of life, to face judgement.
In this alone is a staggering reality. We do not know how to kick start life
of the simplest organisms, yet God will raise us up.
Everything we are, our merest whims, thoughts and actions, such details,
such effort to give us the privilege of maybe being with Him.
Yet people cannot be bothered to do more than the minimum, to go beyond
the social and ask, is there something deeper? That is how lost most are.
Well firstky i didnt know he was a homo..
Seconldy i can hardly be called an oxymoron for that..
Thirdly your statement is that of your mentality (slander) which was the first sin in the bible,,,satan mocked Gods word to tempt eve..
Forthly i posted the youtube link reguardless of what sexuality he is... for one reason to define the word resist..
Now the word resist can be Good and bad...
For me i can not resist being drawn to salvation and walking with my brothers and sisters in the new world..
And i can not resist hoping for this Gift from God which i havent recieved yet...
Seconldy i can hardly be called an oxymoron for that..
Thirdly your statement is that of your mentality (slander) which was the first sin in the bible,,,satan mocked Gods word to tempt eve..
Forthly i posted the youtube link reguardless of what sexuality he is... for one reason to define the word resist..
Now the word resist can be Good and bad...
For me i can not resist being drawn to salvation and walking with my brothers and sisters in the new world..
And i can not resist hoping for this Gift from God which i havent recieved yet...