Those Who Deny Sin in a Believer
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At least you are not in the extreme side of NOSAS camp. I once heard someone in the NOSAS camp say that continuing in faith/abiding in Christ etc.. is an extremely, difficult burden that most genuine born again Christians will surely fail to do and even suggested that up to 95% of genuine born again Christians will end up losing their salvation before it's all over with. 
That same person likened remaining saved to someone walking across a tight rope in which suddenly and at any moment can fall off. Those in the NOSAS camp who don't hold to that extreme view seem to liken remaining saved to someone walking down a road with two high walls on both sides. The person would say, "they are secure, but are still free to choose to climb over the wall to the other side."
That same person likened remaining saved to someone walking across a tight rope in which suddenly and at any moment can fall off. Those in the NOSAS camp who don't hold to that extreme view seem to liken remaining saved to someone walking down a road with two high walls on both sides. The person would say, "they are secure, but are still free to choose to climb over the wall to the other side."
You misunderstand. We dont lose salvation from a weakness of faith but what we do lose salvation is the abandonment of faith.
And why do yall always compare earth families to Gods family? God does not tolerate flesh living, he is still holy and shall not be tested. All he has to do is have an active faith. If someone denies that, what can God do then?
And why do yall always compare earth families to Gods family? God does not tolerate flesh living, he is still holy and shall not be tested. All he has to do is have an active faith. If someone denies that, what can God do then?
The verse is clear....
IF we believe NOT (lose faith after believing) HE ABIDES FAITHFUL<---BECAUSE HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF....
In the grace you, having been saved out of FATH<--AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES (aimed at FAITH) it is the GIFT of GOD, not of works lest any man should boast!
A child can understand this....it is the perfect faith of JESUS that saves US and HE abides faithful even if we LOSE faith AFTER we have believed! END of story!
IF we believe NOT (lose faith after believing) HE ABIDES FAITHFUL<---BECAUSE HE CANNOT DENY HIMSELF....
In the grace you, having been saved out of FATH<--AND THAT NOT OF YOURSELVES (aimed at FAITH) it is the GIFT of GOD, not of works lest any man should boast!
A child can understand this....it is the perfect faith of JESUS that saves US and HE abides faithful even if we LOSE faith AFTER we have believed! END of story!
Have you heard of body dismorphia. It is when the image our mind makes of our body does
not match up with the reality on the outside. Now you are right that you can believe you
are something greater than you are, or you can think things are impossible and lost when
actually the solution is there all along.
We are born with the view on the inside and we grow an image of what we want people to
see on the outside. The further these are apart the more disfunctional we are.
Sin destroys the connection between the two, and makes everything appear more complicated.
When your mind has to keep to opposites apart to stop melt down, things get very confusing.
This is why until we are purified and centred on Christ what appears to be an issue often is
not, and what is a real problem only comes to the surface when things are simplified and cleaned
up.
One simple principle is if things appear straight forward and open then probably are, but if we
have to put large amounts of effort to keep a lid on things, there is work to do. Jesus never
expected us to enter the Kingdom like this and stay so conflicted.
not match up with the reality on the outside. Now you are right that you can believe you
are something greater than you are, or you can think things are impossible and lost when
actually the solution is there all along.
We are born with the view on the inside and we grow an image of what we want people to
see on the outside. The further these are apart the more disfunctional we are.
Sin destroys the connection between the two, and makes everything appear more complicated.
When your mind has to keep to opposites apart to stop melt down, things get very confusing.
This is why until we are purified and centred on Christ what appears to be an issue often is
not, and what is a real problem only comes to the surface when things are simplified and cleaned
up.
One simple principle is if things appear straight forward and open then probably are, but if we
have to put large amounts of effort to keep a lid on things, there is work to do. Jesus never
expected us to enter the Kingdom like this and stay so conflicted.
Also misunderstanding assurance by definition is confidence or certainty in one's own abilities.
Assurance is knowing God save me because God tells me this. God tells me to remain faithful.
Confidence is the human action to Gods words. We only live in assurance for who remain faithful.
And so since i do not see the future I am confident in my ability but know in assurance in Gods words I am certain in Gods words, i am certain if i am faithful i will inherit the promises of Gods words. And so in confidence i trust in God and rely on God and pray I never lose faith.
Assurance is knowing God save me because God tells me this. God tells me to remain faithful.
Confidence is the human action to Gods words. We only live in assurance for who remain faithful.
And so since i do not see the future I am confident in my ability but know in assurance in Gods words I am certain in Gods words, i am certain if i am faithful i will inherit the promises of Gods words. And so in confidence i trust in God and rely on God and pray I never lose faith.
Your good at taking scripture out of context
2 Timothy 2
10 This is why I endure all things for the elect: so that they also may obtain salvation, which is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory. 11 This saying is trustworthy:
For if we have died with Him,
we will also live with Him;
12 if we endure, we will also reign with Him;
if we deny Him, He will also deny us;
13 if we are faithless, He remains faithful,
for He cannot deny Himself.
An Approved Worker
14 Remind them of these things, charging them before God[a] not to fight about words; this is in no way profitable and leads to the ruin of the hearers. 15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who doesn’t need to be ashamed, correctly teaching the word of truth.
All this is saying is of course God is trusting. Even if we deny him in faith he is still faithful in his promise that those who return or remain faithful will gain what is promised.
2 Timothy 2
10 This is why I endure all things for the elect: so that they also may obtain salvation, which is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory. 11 This saying is trustworthy:
For if we have died with Him,
we will also live with Him;
12 if we endure, we will also reign with Him;
if we deny Him, He will also deny us;
13 if we are faithless, He remains faithful,
for He cannot deny Himself.
An Approved Worker
14 Remind them of these things, charging them before God[a] not to fight about words; this is in no way profitable and leads to the ruin of the hearers. 15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who doesn’t need to be ashamed, correctly teaching the word of truth.
All this is saying is of course God is trusting. Even if we deny him in faith he is still faithful in his promise that those who return or remain faithful will gain what is promised.
Not hardly and Not hardly.....the post is aimed at only those who have exercised faith into Jesus = being born again....I have never implied, stated or alluded to your mischaracterization of my statement....and if you knew me, (been here what 8 days) you would know I have made numerous posts to the broad wide way that leads MOST to hell......!
AGAIN..NOT HARDLY and NOT HARDLY...are you a cake taker?
My bible is clear...HE that believes on the son IS HAVING everlasting life. It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE....
FAITH is a gift from GOD, he has dealt EVERY AN A MEASURE of it....so.......both of your assessments fall short of any real credible truth
My bible is clear...HE that believes on the son IS HAVING everlasting life. It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE....
FAITH is a gift from GOD, he has dealt EVERY AN A MEASURE of it....so.......both of your assessments fall short of any real credible truth
Probably so (concerning the cake)....as far as the rest....no...I don't just take one scripture out of context to base my beliefs on...28 years of study, 4 years of seminary and line upon line........just because I don't post 2, 4, 30 scriptures to support a particular view does not mean that I do not have said support of the scriptures.......EVERY WORD is inspired and profitable.....from 1 verse to all!
But Rabshakeh said, Hath my master sent me to thy master and to thee to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men that sit upon the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?
Off the cuff....
The context is the verbiage that Rabshakeh is supposed to speak unto the people from the king of Assyria
Vs. 11 Eliakim, Shebna, and Joah seem to desire the Assyrian emissary to speak in the Syrian language so the Jews defending the city will not understand it....note the message in verse 14-18 and his attempt to get them to be dissuaded from believing Hezekiah and his promise of delivery from GOD.
vs. 12. The Assyrian emissary makes it clear that he is sent to speak to the men on the wall, to dissuade them and his comment about drinking their own piss and eating their own dung seems to be applicable to the siege....the men on the wall and everyone not of the Kings house would be cooking their food over their own dung (prophesied unto Judah in Ezekiel note following verse and the same would be applicable to them drinking their own urine which has been known to happen in sieges as well when the water ran low.....
And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.
The whole concept is rather simple...the men on the wall were destined to eat their own dung and drink their own piss with Hezekiah and the three Jewish emissaries if the siege was to continue....the Assyrian was sent unto them to try and persuade them to surrender to the Assyrian King or they would eat their own dung and drink their own piss with the King of Judah and his court!
Off the cuff....
The context is the verbiage that Rabshakeh is supposed to speak unto the people from the king of Assyria
Vs. 11 Eliakim, Shebna, and Joah seem to desire the Assyrian emissary to speak in the Syrian language so the Jews defending the city will not understand it....note the message in verse 14-18 and his attempt to get them to be dissuaded from believing Hezekiah and his promise of delivery from GOD.
vs. 12. The Assyrian emissary makes it clear that he is sent to speak to the men on the wall, to dissuade them and his comment about drinking their own piss and eating their own dung seems to be applicable to the siege....the men on the wall and everyone not of the Kings house would be cooking their food over their own dung (prophesied unto Judah in Ezekiel note following verse and the same would be applicable to them drinking their own urine which has been known to happen in sieges as well when the water ran low.....
And thou shalt eat it as barley cakes, and thou shalt bake it with dung that cometh out of man, in their sight.
The whole concept is rather simple...the men on the wall were destined to eat their own dung and drink their own piss with Hezekiah and the three Jewish emissaries if the siege was to continue....the Assyrian was sent unto them to try and persuade them to surrender to the Assyrian King or they would eat their own dung and drink their own piss with the King of Judah and his court!