ISLAM and MUSLIMS
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The so called Palestinians are in fact settlers from Jordan who have no more right to the land than Israel. There were few people living in Palestine in 19th century, and those who were there were mainly nomads. The Zionists went to a nearly empty land and coexisted with the residents.. Those so-called 'Palestinians' who are there now were in fact imported by the Arabs for the purpose of causing trouble.
Islam is a warlike religion with its aim being world conquest, and where it is in a majority it persecutes the minority. It believes in spreading by war, when powerful enough, as the Quran and Hadith teach. So ISIS is typical of it.
Islam is a warlike religion with its aim being world conquest, and where it is in a majority it persecutes the minority. It believes in spreading by war, when powerful enough, as the Quran and Hadith teach. So ISIS is typical of it.
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Angela, please do not speak for me or assume I am terrified. Your claim is ridiculous, and the fact that you can at one moment say all truth is true regardless of the source but then turn around and say telling the truth about Islam is fear mongering is somewhat baffling. Islam has a bloody history, and the goal of Islam is world domination. If people are going to try to speak to Muslims they need to know the culture and history these people come out of.
No. Valiant, Israel does have right to the land. The reliable and accurate history contained in the OT shows that Israel was given that land. God gave it to Israel. It is theirs. Valiant, are you sure Israel doesn't have a right to it?
They can take back what remains.
The land goes to the victor. What would happen to the US? And not just the US. Borders all over the world would be erased.
That's extreme.
They can take back what remains.
The land goes to the victor. What would happen to the US? And not just the US. Borders all over the world would be erased.
That's extreme.
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He was The Prophet, but He revealed Himself to be more.
So nominal 'Christians' fail to follow their Teacher and behave like other religions. What is new?
But they are not Christians. They are pretenders.
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no they don't believe in Jesus who is the Son of God. They have a false Jesus, like you.
So nominal 'Christians' fail to follow their Teacher and behave like other religions. What is new?
But they are not Christians. They are pretenders.
I do that and people like you and wwjd and someone nobody has seen before comes breathing down my neck accusing me of hate mongering and bigotry! The hypocrisy is astounding!!! You have further accused me of having a spirit of fear! I ask you Angela in all decency, please retract that statement. Me not being as ignorant as others of the perils and teachings of Islam does not mean I live in fear and/or terror because I wish people to be educated and informed.
I have been showing how Islam is a problem BUT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. Please make up your mind Angela, you cannot have it both ways.
I have been showing how Islam is a problem BUT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. Please make up your mind Angela, you cannot have it both ways.
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The so called Palestinians are in fact settlers from Jordan who have no more right to the land than Israel. There were few people living in Palestine in 19th century, and those who were there were mainly nomads. Those so-called Palestinians were in fact imported by the Arabs for the purpose of causing trouble.
Islam is a warlike religion with its aim being world conquest, and where it is a majority it persecutes the minority. It believes in spreading by war, when powerful enough, as the Quran and Hadith teach. So ISIS is typical of it.
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The so called Palestinians are in fact settlers from Jordan who have no more right to the land than Israel. There were few people living in Palestine in 19th century, and those who were there were mainly nomads. Those so-called Palestinians were in fact imported by the Arabs for the purpose of causing trouble.
Islam is a warlike religion with its aim being world conquest, and where it is a majority it persecutes the minority. It believes in spreading by war, when powerful enough, as the Quran and Hadith teach. So ISIS is typical of it.
Quite sure. If God saw they had a right to it He would have ensured they got it by peaceful means. Read Hebrews 11.10-14.
They have no right to take it be force.
Israel in the land today is warmongering, and taking what is not theirs. That is not of God. They have not been commanded to do it
that's for you to worry about. But might is not right.
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I for one have had several brilliant conversations with Muslims and
prayed with them!
You would be surprised by how many Muslims are disillusioned
with their religion and how many hunger for the truth.
Older Muslims especially seem to understand Islam does not satisfy. They have
lived under the rules and opression a long time and yet still search for the truth.
Younger muslim are the hardest to reach, they are still young and full of
ideals, but older Muslims have seen it all and still feel restless and hunger for
something else. They dont have the answers but we do. At a minimum we should
be prepared to give an answer to those who ask, whatever we may think.
prayed with them!
You would be surprised by how many Muslims are disillusioned
with their religion and how many hunger for the truth.
Older Muslims especially seem to understand Islam does not satisfy. They have
lived under the rules and opression a long time and yet still search for the truth.
Younger muslim are the hardest to reach, they are still young and full of
ideals, but older Muslims have seen it all and still feel restless and hunger for
something else. They dont have the answers but we do. At a minimum we should
be prepared to give an answer to those who ask, whatever we may think.
God would have ensured they got by peaceful means.
That's certainly not what happened in the OT. Israel didn't get the land by peaceful means then. Peaceful means? Were the means used in OT peaceful? What is peaceful to you?
Don't have a right to take it by force.
You had already Israel doesn't have a right to the land. Historically they do. It was theirs. God gave it to them. They can go in and occupy it. Sure can.
Israel in the land today is warmongering, and taking what is not theirs. That is not of God. They have not been commanded to do it.
How is it not theirs?
that's for you to worry about.
Not worried. Just responding.
But might is not right.
You said the Palestinians and Israel do not have right to the land.
Israel has every right to protect itself from those illegal inhabitants. That includes going in and retaking their land - the land of Israel.
That's certainly not what happened in the OT. Israel didn't get the land by peaceful means then. Peaceful means? Were the means used in OT peaceful? What is peaceful to you?
Don't have a right to take it by force.
You had already Israel doesn't have a right to the land. Historically they do. It was theirs. God gave it to them. They can go in and occupy it. Sure can.
Israel in the land today is warmongering, and taking what is not theirs. That is not of God. They have not been commanded to do it.
How is it not theirs?
that's for you to worry about.
Not worried. Just responding.
But might is not right.
You said the Palestinians and Israel do not have right to the land.
Israel has every right to protect itself from those illegal inhabitants. That includes going in and retaking their land - the land of Israel.
You know I once was going on a walk and I met this man on my walk and me being friendly as i am i began to talk with him he was a nice guy and we had a pretty great conversation i even met his kids and his wife they were very nice people and we always enjoyed our chats when had them. He was a muslum and i had not told him i was Christian mainly because i didn't think it was needed he and i got along and we had lots of great conversations. one day he asked me if i wanted to join him at his church i didn't even know there was a muslim church around the area and I politely said to him no ty I go to a Christian church by thanks anyways. his face suddenly changed asking if i was a Christian and I replied yes.
He then told me to never come around again and angrily walked into his house, the last thing i remember was the glare he gave me. See the thing is he and i were getting along so great but it wasn't until our affiliation of what God we served came to light that I became an enemy in his eyes. Muslums aren't evil people they are just as evil and as good as anyone else it's the religion that makes them the way they are. I mean two people who are in many peoples eyes spiritual enemies were like best friends before the topic of who we served came up. I long for the day when religion will not tear us apart and make us go at each others throats, he may be a muslum he may serve a very violent murderous and hateful God he may even if he had the chance kill me in allah's name but even so I would sacrifice my own life for his and i would burn in the fires of hell itself for a time just so he could come to know God like I have because while we may have only known each other for a brief time I saw something in this man worth fighting for
He then told me to never come around again and angrily walked into his house, the last thing i remember was the glare he gave me. See the thing is he and i were getting along so great but it wasn't until our affiliation of what God we served came to light that I became an enemy in his eyes. Muslums aren't evil people they are just as evil and as good as anyone else it's the religion that makes them the way they are. I mean two people who are in many peoples eyes spiritual enemies were like best friends before the topic of who we served came up. I long for the day when religion will not tear us apart and make us go at each others throats, he may be a muslum he may serve a very violent murderous and hateful God he may even if he had the chance kill me in allah's name but even so I would sacrifice my own life for his and i would burn in the fires of hell itself for a time just so he could come to know God like I have because while we may have only known each other for a brief time I saw something in this man worth fighting for
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I do not think that saying the truth is attack. Or... it can be, but such an attack is a right one.
Actually, he agreed with us that muslims are radicalized and not integrated. He just does not want us to talk about it and begin to attack us.
It is not being terrified, it is having more experiences. Western EU countries have some kind of muslim terrorist attack almost every week. And more and more muslims are coming, last year over a million. From war zones. Young men. Nobody knows who they are.
So the situation in Europe is much more "hot" than in the USA.
To want order, peace and security for us and our countries is not a spirit of fear. Its a common sense.
Actually, he agreed with us that muslims are radicalized and not integrated. He just does not want us to talk about it and begin to attack us.
It is not being terrified, it is having more experiences. Western EU countries have some kind of muslim terrorist attack almost every week. And more and more muslims are coming, last year over a million. From war zones. Young men. Nobody knows who they are.
So the situation in Europe is much more "hot" than in the USA.
To want order, peace and security for us and our countries is not a spirit of fear. Its a common sense.
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I just wanted to point that your comment here... do not think that saying the truth is attack. Or... it can be, but such an attack is a right one. While i know your intentions were pure I think you misunderstand, Truth does not attack it teaches build's encourages and edifies. How we present the truth can define whether it's a sword with blood on it or a shield that protects upholds and builds up.
The problem with this thread, and you in particular, is the angry rhetoric and half truths. You are full of hate, which perhaps I wrongly assumed comes out of fear, in the case of the Europeans. Sorry if it seems like I was saying that about you, although, methinks, thou dost protesteth too much!
If you just presented your story, I would be happy. If you even presented facts, that would be fine, although I would certainly look deeper at your sources. Instead, you post these extremists videos, which no one cares to watch. And not one or two, but many! If that isn't coming from fear, I don't know what is.
And the PROBLEM with Islam, in the end, which I believe I have stated in this thread, is that THEY DO NOT KNOW CHRIST! And the only answer is not hating them, posting half-cocked facts and videos, but working together to bring the truth of the gospel to Muslims in our own countries. The point of that being, these people have better access to their former countries. They can then take the gospel back to their countries with them. That is really reaching the world.
Your posts have been totally exclusionary, and yes, based on fear, and its result, hate mongering. I'm sorry if you think I am being hypocritical, when I try and be a minister of reconciliation of the gospel. Your viewpoint is so worldly, and not what I would have expected of you when you first came into this forum.
"So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer.17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come: The old has gone, the new is here!18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation:19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.21 God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." 2 Cor. 5:16-21
Magenta, you are usually the one posting Scriptures, which I have always admired you for doing, and being so consistent at it. But not this thread. You are hysterical, and you do sound like either someone who has been threatened by radical Islam, (I hope not, but then I understand!) or you have spent too much time in the News Forum, and become Americanized in your view of other cultures and religions. Certainly, we are not a mosaic in Canada, but God has opened doors for people from other cultures and religions into Canada, and we are not taking advantage of it. I am as guilty as you, I cannot lie, but at least mine lack of reaching the lost is not because of this incredible hate you are displaying.
I guess we will have to disagree on your defintion of "educating" Christians. I would call it "creating further animosity." Do you know how many non-Christians read these threads? Many! I am surprised that no Muslims had pop up notices this forum about Islam and they are reading this thread right now. Do you think you have shown them God's love? Have you shown them that we are all sinners and Christ died on the cross?
Be objective and go back and read what you wrote and posted! I personally think "hate-mongering" is a little weak for what you have done. We won't even get into attacking an honest seeker of God, because he posted something that wasn't to your liking! I shouldn't say this, but that is narrow minded to the nth degree.