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So in the Beginning The word came to the authaurities who saw that giving back to the land could only be possible from taxes.. Tithing.....They also found that the worker who worked hard all his life was worthy of his rest too..
I mean try telling a 95 year old war hero sitting in wheel chair eating his pie and mash that he was sinner for drawing a state pension sent from God to his ministers or prime ministers.......
Have you ever wondered where the word prime minister comes from...
Well its there oath when they are sworn in to power under oath to hounour God.... prime minister is an authoritive figure Of God..
He and hist team are responsible for the lifes of Millions...so they must minister to us...and be devoted to there work as written in the Bible...
I mean try telling a 95 year old war hero sitting in wheel chair eating his pie and mash that he was sinner for drawing a state pension sent from God to his ministers or prime ministers.......
Have you ever wondered where the word prime minister comes from...
Well its there oath when they are sworn in to power under oath to hounour God.... prime minister is an authoritive figure Of God..
He and hist team are responsible for the lifes of Millions...so they must minister to us...and be devoted to there work as written in the Bible...
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I ask my self this question am i a doer of the word am i a hearer of the word.. Do i reap what i sow..
am i a reaper of his word..
Yes i am all three..
So there for i must also be a worker of his word...
Theese are all gifts to me faith come from hearing so faith is a work of being a hearer of his word as in the beginning there was the word... It is The word that was with God from the begiining that we now hear
Faith is a work of the word
am i a reaper of his word..
Yes i am all three..
So there for i must also be a worker of his word...
Theese are all gifts to me faith come from hearing so faith is a work of being a hearer of his word as in the beginning there was the word... It is The word that was with God from the begiining that we now hear
Faith is a work of the word
You misunderstood me it sounds like. You have put yourself in the grace-faith group but my comments have been ignored because you THINK I preach a faith of works gospel. This couldn't be more ignorant of the truth. I don't know about you but as for my faith it is only strengthened through Obedience. There is NO way I could keep all 613 camandments as they don't all pertain to me. Some have to do with the monthly flow of a woman, others deal with the temple sacrifice which I can't do because there isn't a Temple to bring the correct sacrifice. You think the law of Elohim is bad? I
You wouldn't know what sin is without it!
You wouldn't know what sin is without it!
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures
Hi Sir,
Here is my perspective and I am going by that you have said “because it is written that way” but certainly would add something as Paul manner of reasoning is that “out of the scriptures.” Here are then my counter points to your “until confession is made” and your reasoning behind it.
1. The bible is plain in this matter that there is no word being seen or read for the word “UNTIL” in the passage as cited in the Book of Romans 10.
2. Usage in the New Testament for the word UNTIL if not all is related to TIME/ EVENT and not POSITION/PLACE. Examples in the New Testament:
a. Mathew 24:38 “…until the day” (TIME)
b. Luke 1:20 “until the day” (TIME)
c. Luke 17:27 “until the day” (TIME)
d. Luke 21:24 “until the times of the Gentiles” (TIME)
e. Romans 5:13 “until the law was given (indication of past tense or the action happen thus the events occured relating to time)
f. John 2:20 “until now” (TIME)
g. 1 Corinthians 16:8 “Until Pentecost” (TIME)
h. 1 Corinthians 4:5 “until the Lord comes” (TIME/EVENT)
i. 2 Corinthians 3:4 “until this day” (TIME)
j. Philippians 1:5-6 “ until now” TIME), “until the day” (TIME)
3. The keyword used in the Bible where you seem to fit your “until” is the word “UNTO” which mainly differed in its usage found in the context. The best definition of the word “unto” in particular is found in the samepassage. Let’s review them and I have to quote
Romans 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Romans 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Romans 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
So the word “UNTO” here means “INTO” (position or a place) or nearness (nigh thee, in thy) and “ON HIM.” The passage does not even tell us the “when” or time /event but the fact of how can one be saved. So, if one is to put his faith in Christ, he was indeed into Christ; coming near or that is ‘in’ side and actually we are “on Him”. This oneness with Christ is found in the prayers of Christ in John 17:21
“That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”
4. Edmund Coote in his “The English School-master” of 1596 has the following definition regards to the word unto
to lie vnto.
lie unto (located at explanation position)
condiscend
agr'ee vnto.
agree unto (located at explanation position)
deuote
giuen vnto.
given unto (located at explanation position)
incline
leane vnto.
lean unto (located at explanation position)
5. Having said that, I will not put the scriptures into doubt regarding its infallibility meaning there are no admixtures of errors in its teaching. I would not put the Bible in conflict. There will always be in harmony of the scriptures. To this I agreed with Sir Dan (Malimandan) in his earlier post. If until the confession is made that there will be salvation then whatever happened to the ff verses:
a. Acts 16:31 – Believed on the Lord Jesus and thou shalt not be saved?
b. John 1;12 - But as many as received him, to them gave he not power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name?
c. John 3:16.17 – If until confession is made then believing in him is having no eternal life?
d. Romans 1:16 – if until confession is made then there is no such power of the gospel to those who believed?
And many more verses found in the bible of believing, faith, trust in Him, on Him, of Him which directly result in one’s spiritual salvation
Hi Sir,
Here is my perspective and I am going by that you have said “because it is written that way” but certainly would add something as Paul manner of reasoning is that “out of the scriptures.” Here are then my counter points to your “until confession is made” and your reasoning behind it.
1. The bible is plain in this matter that there is no word being seen or read for the word “UNTIL” in the passage as cited in the Book of Romans 10.
2. Usage in the New Testament for the word UNTIL if not all is related to TIME/ EVENT and not POSITION/PLACE. Examples in the New Testament:
a. Mathew 24:38 “…until the day” (TIME)
b. Luke 1:20 “until the day” (TIME)
c. Luke 17:27 “until the day” (TIME)
d. Luke 21:24 “until the times of the Gentiles” (TIME)
e. Romans 5:13 “until the law was given (indication of past tense or the action happen thus the events occured relating to time)
f. John 2:20 “until now” (TIME)
g. 1 Corinthians 16:8 “Until Pentecost” (TIME)
h. 1 Corinthians 4:5 “until the Lord comes” (TIME/EVENT)
i. 2 Corinthians 3:4 “until this day” (TIME)
j. Philippians 1:5-6 “ until now” TIME), “until the day” (TIME)
3. The keyword used in the Bible where you seem to fit your “until” is the word “UNTO” which mainly differed in its usage found in the context. The best definition of the word “unto” in particular is found in the samepassage. Let’s review them and I have to quote
Romans 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Romans 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Romans 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Romans 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
So the word “UNTO” here means “INTO” (position or a place) or nearness (nigh thee, in thy) and “ON HIM.” The passage does not even tell us the “when” or time /event but the fact of how can one be saved. So, if one is to put his faith in Christ, he was indeed into Christ; coming near or that is ‘in’ side and actually we are “on Him”. This oneness with Christ is found in the prayers of Christ in John 17:21
“That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”
4. Edmund Coote in his “The English School-master” of 1596 has the following definition regards to the word unto
to lie vnto.
lie unto (located at explanation position)
condiscend
agr'ee vnto.
agree unto (located at explanation position)
deuote
giuen vnto.
given unto (located at explanation position)
incline
leane vnto.
lean unto (located at explanation position)
5. Having said that, I will not put the scriptures into doubt regarding its infallibility meaning there are no admixtures of errors in its teaching. I would not put the Bible in conflict. There will always be in harmony of the scriptures. To this I agreed with Sir Dan (Malimandan) in his earlier post. If until the confession is made that there will be salvation then whatever happened to the ff verses:
a. Acts 16:31 – Believed on the Lord Jesus and thou shalt not be saved?
b. John 1;12 - But as many as received him, to them gave he not power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name?
c. John 3:16.17 – If until confession is made then believing in him is having no eternal life?
d. Romans 1:16 – if until confession is made then there is no such power of the gospel to those who believed?
And many more verses found in the bible of believing, faith, trust in Him, on Him, of Him which directly result in one’s spiritual salvation
Not so. Parallel verses on believing, faith trust always relates to one’s gaining of salvation. Of course the book of Romans does not in any way touch the term “born again”. But it soen;t mean the beleivers were not born again. What Paul used are legal terminologies for the description to those who placed their faith in Christ, in this instance, believers were justified, in the sight of God.
I think, you have been confused in the many Bible terminologies for saying one thing and saying the other thing which completely refuted yourself. Actually, Paul is not talking about the self-righteousness gain through law or being “made righteous” but rather God’s righteousness is through faith. In justification used by Paul, we are not “made righteous” but we are “declared righteous”.
Another thing, technically speaking we are not born again through Jesus Blood, we are born again by “incorruptible seed which is the word of God”
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
and that which is born of the Holy Spirit as in John 3:6.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
We are rather justified / saved by the Blood, redeemed through his blood, we are bought by the blood or atoned by the Blood of Jesus, cleansed by His Blood..
Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Hebrew 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
1 Peter 1: 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
I think, you have been confused in the many Bible terminologies for saying one thing and saying the other thing which completely refuted yourself. Actually, Paul is not talking about the self-righteousness gain through law or being “made righteous” but rather God’s righteousness is through faith. In justification used by Paul, we are not “made righteous” but we are “declared righteous”.
Another thing, technically speaking we are not born again through Jesus Blood, we are born again by “incorruptible seed which is the word of God”
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
and that which is born of the Holy Spirit as in John 3:6.
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
We are rather justified / saved by the Blood, redeemed through his blood, we are bought by the blood or atoned by the Blood of Jesus, cleansed by His Blood..
Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Hebrew 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
1 Peter 1: 18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: